agracer said:
Just imagine if the same people in charge of Marvel had done the SW movies....
1 decadeQuote:
Marvel spent decades building up each of these characters, most of them over the course several movies, so they don't need to spend much time with that in these big set piece movies.
I'll disagree here. I care more about Rey and Kylo than I do about just about any MCU characters, except maybe Tony Stark and Cap. Maaaybe Thor.Quote:
This is where the new Star Wars, The Last Jedi in particular, has tripped up. We have a lot of characters, but we frankly don't give a **** about most of them.
Agreed.Brian Earl Spilner said:1 decadeQuote:
Marvel spent decades building up each of these characters, most of them over the course several movies, so they don't need to spend much time with that in these big set piece movies.I'll disagree here. I care more about Rey and Kylo than I do about just about any MCU characters, except maybe Tony Stark and Cap. Maaaybe Thor.Quote:
This is where the new Star Wars, The Last Jedi in particular, has tripped up. We have a lot of characters, but we frankly don't give a **** about most of them.
ummmm. no.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Well to be fair, Rey and Kylo are the main characters of this trilogy.
All the rest of the characters would be the equivalent of Pepper, Rhodey, Happy, etc.
I think a very important caveat to mention as well is that the MCU hasnt stratched from the time they were 10-50...instead they were hit with a steady diet of Marvel movies 1 a year if not more to constantly keep them involved and interested.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I agree, with this caveat - I was the perfect age when Star Wars came out, 10. Star Wars has been with me for very nearly my entire life.Brian Earl Spilner said:
In film pantheon, nothing sniffs Star Wars. Not even close.
But as pointed out in an earlier post, the generation of younsters who saw Iron Man when they were about 10 have known nothing but these awesome Marvel movies. Some of the MCU movies have not been as good as others, but the MCU is the biggest cinematic thing they have ever witnessed.
To them, quite likely, Star Wars is something their parents love, something they've seen on TV, and in theaters they've been gifted with one really great Star Wars movie, Rogue One, two fun Star Wars movies, Solo and The Force Awakens, and one awful Star Wars movie, The Last Jedi.
bobinator said:
This is actually a question that I have because I don't have any kids and my family really only has one kid in the age range for these movies.
Did kids like The Last Jedi? Like not in that kids-like-almost-all-movies way, but like, is this a movie that kids want to see over and over again? I remember really liking the old Star Wars movies when I was a kid (born in '85) and my dad taking me to see the special editions when they came out.
PatAg said:
When I watched Star Wars as a kid it was already out on VHS for a long time, I don't think you had to see it in the theater first for it to make a huge impression on you.
Zombie Jon Snow said:Agreed.Brian Earl Spilner said:1 decadeQuote:
Marvel spent decades building up each of these characters, most of them over the course several movies, so they don't need to spend much time with that in these big set piece movies.I'll disagree here. I care more about Rey and Kylo than I do about just about any MCU characters, except maybe Tony Stark and Cap. Maaaybe Thor.Quote:
This is where the new Star Wars, The Last Jedi in particular, has tripped up. We have a lot of characters, but we frankly don't give a **** about most of them.
100x at least for the SW chars over any of the MCU characters.
I thought I heard on the radio this morning that Endgame's opening weekend was something like 1.2 billion.....i honestly thought i mis heard. Fastest ever to reach a billion alsoZombie Jon Snow said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I do wonder if the MCU will have the same kind of impact on kids today as Star Wars did in those 2 generations, respectively.
The biggest difference, in my eyes, was that Star Wars movies really felt like an event. And it's not just because they were blockbuster movies, but because you weren't getting multiple movies every year.
The saga went away for decades at a time, and when it was back, it was only every 3 years that you got a movie. It was special. There was a buildup of excitement.
I know I'm entirely too biased, but I just don't think anything has come close to the hype machine that surrounded Phantom Menace. I know the opening weekend BO indicates otherwise, but it almost seemed to transcend just box office. It was all over the news, older generations knew about it, etc.
I think that having to be at a movie opening day or even opening weekend wasn't as much the cultural norm as it is now. People were ok with waiting a week or two to go see a movie. Hence why opening weekend records weren't being broken year after year.
According to BO Mojo's estimated tickets sold, TPM stands at 84M, and Infinity War is at 72M. (And TFA is at 108M.)
So for all of that hype that the MCU was able to gather in 22 movies, it still couldn't match the tickets that TPM sold in its run.
It's certainly possible that Endgame may beat out TPM, but I just don't know if it has that special, event feel for kids today that Star Wars did for us.
Thoughts?
I agree with everything you say about SW - I've seen several posts like this - it is just hard to convey what Sw meant THEN. And because of that run from 77-83 what it has meant ever since for people that came of age with SW. I turned 11 in 1977. It was the perfect age. SW enthralled me, it is not an exaggeration to say it has been an all encompassing thing ever since then.
Another way to look at things is the Adjusted for inflation chart - it takes the domestic BO number, average ticket price then and extrapolates to level the field.
In that with todays box office you would have
1. Gone with the Wind $1.8B
2. Star Wars $1.6B
3. Sound of Music $1.27B
4. ET $1.25B
5. Titanic $1.22B
7. Jaws $1.1B
In that list the only movies in the top 25 since 2000 are
11. The Force Awakens $974M
15. Avatar $876M
That's it.
Marvel's Avengers comes in at #29 with $692m and IW at #35 with $652M
These movies don't even sniff the territory of SW.
If endgame cracks $1B it would only make it 9th on the list and still about $600M behind SW.
I think that gives a better idea of how huge SW was.
The otherway to really see the difference is number that saw the movie:
-Gone with the Wind was a huge event too. It literally ran for years and years and years in single screen theaters at least for a few showings per week. It was virtually the only thing to see. In 1939 the average movie cost $0.23 and that movie grossed $189M then. Meaning more than 760M people saw that movie - the population of the US at the time was 130M. So more than 5x the US population saw it.
-SW in 1977 grossed $307M on initial release at an average of $2.23 per ticket so 137M people saw it then and another 5M and 30M on re-releases so 172M total.
-The Force Awakens by comparison was seen by 115M people - roughly half of the US population.
Speaking from my family only - I have a 27-yr-old and a 13-yr-old - I can say that my younger saw TLJ and didn't complain about having to see it, but has not once chosen TLJ to re-watch. Our oldest was prime viewing age when the PT came out, but I really think he soured on SW when Anakin slayed the younglings in ROTS. He didn't like that scene at all even though I told him that it had to happen that way. One does not simply roll out of bed one morning and say, today I will put on a black outfit with a scary helmet and breath deeply.bobinator said:
This is actually a question that I have because I don't have any kids and my family really only has one kid in the age range for these movies.
Did kids like The Last Jedi? Like not in that kids-like-almost-all-movies way, but like, is this a movie that kids want to see over and over again? I remember really liking the old Star Wars movies when I was a kid (born in '85) and my dad taking me to see the special editions when they came out.
cpsencik04 said:I thought I heard on the radio this morning that Endgame's opening weekend was something like 1.2 billion.....i honestly thought i mis heard. Fastest ever to reach a billion alsoZombie Jon Snow said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I do wonder if the MCU will have the same kind of impact on kids today as Star Wars did in those 2 generations, respectively.
The biggest difference, in my eyes, was that Star Wars movies really felt like an event. And it's not just because they were blockbuster movies, but because you weren't getting multiple movies every year.
The saga went away for decades at a time, and when it was back, it was only every 3 years that you got a movie. It was special. There was a buildup of excitement.
I know I'm entirely too biased, but I just don't think anything has come close to the hype machine that surrounded Phantom Menace. I know the opening weekend BO indicates otherwise, but it almost seemed to transcend just box office. It was all over the news, older generations knew about it, etc.
I think that having to be at a movie opening day or even opening weekend wasn't as much the cultural norm as it is now. People were ok with waiting a week or two to go see a movie. Hence why opening weekend records weren't being broken year after year.
According to BO Mojo's estimated tickets sold, TPM stands at 84M, and Infinity War is at 72M. (And TFA is at 108M.)
So for all of that hype that the MCU was able to gather in 22 movies, it still couldn't match the tickets that TPM sold in its run.
It's certainly possible that Endgame may beat out TPM, but I just don't know if it has that special, event feel for kids today that Star Wars did for us.
Thoughts?
I agree with everything you say about SW - I've seen several posts like this - it is just hard to convey what Sw meant THEN. And because of that run from 77-83 what it has meant ever since for people that came of age with SW. I turned 11 in 1977. It was the perfect age. SW enthralled me, it is not an exaggeration to say it has been an all encompassing thing ever since then.
Another way to look at things is the Adjusted for inflation chart - it takes the domestic BO number, average ticket price then and extrapolates to level the field.
In that with todays box office you would have
1. Gone with the Wind $1.8B
2. Star Wars $1.6B
3. Sound of Music $1.27B
4. ET $1.25B
5. Titanic $1.22B
7. Jaws $1.1B
In that list the only movies in the top 25 since 2000 are
11. The Force Awakens $974M
15. Avatar $876M
That's it.
Marvel's Avengers comes in at #29 with $692m and IW at #35 with $652M
These movies don't even sniff the territory of SW.
If endgame cracks $1B it would only make it 9th on the list and still about $600M behind SW.
I think that gives a better idea of how huge SW was.
The otherway to really see the difference is number that saw the movie:
-Gone with the Wind was a huge event too. It literally ran for years and years and years in single screen theaters at least for a few showings per week. It was virtually the only thing to see. In 1939 the average movie cost $0.23 and that movie grossed $189M then. Meaning more than 760M people saw that movie - the population of the US at the time was 130M. So more than 5x the US population saw it.
-SW in 1977 grossed $307M on initial release at an average of $2.23 per ticket so 137M people saw it then and another 5M and 30M on re-releases so 172M total.
-The Force Awakens by comparison was seen by 115M people - roughly half of the US population.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/avengers-endgame-box-office-records-2-1203199781/
My sons are 10 and 13. They saw TFA and R1 in the theater twice. TLJ and Solo once.bobinator said:
This is actually a question that I have because I don't have any kids and my family really only has one kid in the age range for these movies.
Did kids like The Last Jedi? Like not in that kids-like-almost-all-movies way, but like, is this a movie that kids want to see over and over again? I remember really liking the old Star Wars movies when I was a kid (born in '85) and my dad taking me to see the special editions when they came out.
Let's contrast the ending of Star Wars with the end of Dog Day Afternoon.Quote:
The first 10-15 minutes of STAR WARS: Empire of Dreams does a pretty good job of describing the mood of the country and the movie world before Star Wars was around.
It wasn't just a cultural event, is was a feeling of goodness, hope, and dreams that was sadly lacking at the time.
TCTTS said:
Thanks for the breakdown. This is awesome, and very good to know. Surely they're setting up background events for Episode IX in some small way.
Did y'all watch the movies together and did you share your opinions about TFA, R1, TLJ, and Solo before and/or after the viewings before they had developed theirs?Urban Ag said:My sons are 10 and 13. They saw TFA and R1 in the theater twice. TLJ and Solo once.bobinator said:
This is actually a question that I have because I don't have any kids and my family really only has one kid in the age range for these movies.
Did kids like The Last Jedi? Like not in that kids-like-almost-all-movies way, but like, is this a movie that kids want to see over and over again? I remember really liking the old Star Wars movies when I was a kid (born in '85) and my dad taking me to see the special editions when they came out.
I don't think either have done a re-watch at home of any of them except R1. That said, they've seen the OT movies dozens of times. They watched them for years in the truck/car on road trips.
Not really sure how to say it. My kids loved the OT, the legos, they wear SW shirts all the time. Posters on their walls. It's like they really dig SW culturally but don't really care about the movies, except the OT. If that makes sense. They absolutely had a blast at Disney Hollywood studios with all the SW stuff.
My older boy's favorite shirt has retro Chewie from ESB on it with 3PO strapped to his back at Cloud City, with the caption "I got your back". It's just funny. And he's a cool kid and he wears stuff like around.
