*** STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER ***

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In reply to [removed post] • 8:31p, 4/16/19
C@LAg said:
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amercer said:
Rey, Finn, and Poe aren't dying. Those characters have at least 5 billion reasons that Disney will keep them alive. Episodes X - XII coming your way in 2025



Chewie ain't dying either.

And Han can't come back cuz Harrison Ford won't do it.
or because his character was stabbed by a light saber, fell off a gantry over 100+ feet, and went boom when Starkiller exploded.


No one's ever really gone.
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In reply to [removed post] • 8:31p, 4/16/19
C@LAg said:
Zombie Jon Snow said:
amercer said:
Rey, Finn, and Poe aren't dying. Those characters have at least 5 billion reasons that Disney will keep them alive. Episodes X - XII coming your way in 2025



Chewie ain't dying either.

And Han can't come back cuz Harrison Ford won't do it.
or because his character was stabbed by a light saber, fell off a gantry over 100+ feet, and went boom when Starkiller exploded.


Evil cackling [/Palpatine]
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In reply to amercer • 9:07a, 4/17/19
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amercer said:
bobinator said:
Great... I've really been hoping they'd just leave it where it was with Rey's parents.


They could explain how she got orphaned on Jakku without having to make her parents characters from the OT.
That's true, good point.
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In reply to bobinator • 9:18a, 4/17/19
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bobinator said:
amercer said:
bobinator said:
Great... I've really been hoping they'd just leave it where it was with Rey's parents.


They could explain how she got orphaned on Jakku without having to make her parents characters from the OT.
That's true, good point.
Meh......quiet girl
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9:53a, 4/17/19
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Two points (and I apologize if this is mentioned in the last few pages as I read them pretty quickly)

1. The time travel theory. What if the power to stop death that the emperor mentioned in episode 3 wasn't some power that made plageuis live forever, but the power to time travel and actually stop the death from happening in the first place. If this is a "yeah, that's what we have been talking about" moment, then I apologize.

2. The clone theory. What if Snoke was a clone of Palpatine and not some separate entity?
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 9:58a, 4/17/19
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Legal Custodian said:
1. The time travel theory. What if the power to stop death that the emperor mentioned in episode 3 wasn't some power that made plageuis live forever, but the power to time travel and actually stop the death from happening in the first place. If this is a "yeah, that's what we have been talking about" moment, then I apologize.
I don't think anyone said that, that's a pretty good theory. And it's worth noting his actual words are "he can even keep the ones he cared about from dying."

Having said that, I really think them bringing any sort of time travel into this series is an extreme longshot, but from a "here's what's possible with the pieces on the board" standpoint, that's petty good.
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10:01a, 4/17/19
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I don't think they introduce time travel in this one. If they do, it needs to be limited and then somehow killed off completely, because it cheapens the weight of past events too much, imo.
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10:49a, 4/17/19
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I know the time travel aspect of it was done in Rebels but I hope it's not explored\used any more. To me it's a cheap and lazy way out and opens it up to so many questions. In Rebels, they should have just had that world be a way to see the past but not influence it... if anything, be able to project a voice or something but it should have come with a great consequence. Not a fan of it.
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10:53a, 4/17/19
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I'll take the re-introduction of Jar-Jar as a key player and Rey being followed around by a whiny force ghost AOTC era Anakin over time travel.

Thank you.
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In reply to bobinator • 11:01a, 4/17/19
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bobinator said:
I think we may all be overthinking that bit.

In the same way that we saw that kid telling the story at the end of TLJ, this movie may end with a kid or someone in the future describing Rey's actions and describing her as a 'Skywalker.' Which could kind of bring the story full circle but without her literally being related to anyone called Skywalker. She would literally both be born a nobody, and a Skywalker.

I dunno; if they are trying to MARVEL and tie many stories together, perhaps they are also dropping a teaser / easter egg in this movie as to the other old republic series that may be coming out in the distant future.

If Skywalker name originated with the first force-users (pre-Jedi, pre-Sith) because some primitives saw a person walking in the air via force powers, that makes ALOT of sense. And perhaps this movie title is about some vision of the dawn of the Jedi (or Sith) where the wtinesses renamed the force user SKYWALKER and the name stuck. The name was passed down for generations.

It also explains the Palpatine obsession with Skywalkers (Anakin, Luke, potentially creating Rey) etc. If he went into Sith / Jedi lore and discovered myths of sky-walkers and put the pieces together to be on the lookout of Skywalkers - it builds on the Emperors own backstory indirectly as well.

Oh, and bonus, when the Old Republic movie trilogy comes out in 4-6 years, it could neatly tie into and expand on the origins of the "Jedi" / sky-walkers. Bridging ever so slightly, the stories.
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In reply to SpreadsheetAg • 11:06a, 4/17/19
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I'm reasonably sure they're talking about Rey in the trailer, not another person jumping onto a moving ship at some point in the past. But who knows.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 11:27a, 4/17/19
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Urban Ag said:
I'll take the re-introduction of Jar-Jar as a key player and Rey being followed around by a whiny force ghost AOTC era Anakin over time travel.

Thank you.






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11:34a, 4/17/19
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I don't like the idea of the name Skywalker originating before Shmi, because she showed no signs of having any sort of force-sensitivity. The idea of Skywalkers being force-sensitive only started with Anakin, because he was created by the force itself. (ie midichlorians)

If they make it so Shmi is actually descended from a long line of Skywalker force-users, wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of Anakin having the immaculate birth and all that?
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11:51a, 4/17/19
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Brian, now that you're back and up to date on the theories, what are your thoughts on what they're going after in the Death Star?
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In reply to bobinator • 11:56a, 4/17/19
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My only guess is that is has something to do with:

1. Rey's origins
2. Palpatine
3. Anakin/Vader

Maybe all 3?

That doesn't really narrow it down much, but honestly I have no idea.

I just know the Ewoks better be dead.
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11:59a, 4/17/19
AG
I was trying to think of what's even there and have only come up with three potential items that as far as i'm aware are unaccounted for.

1) Palpatine's body (presumably)
2) Vader's light saber
3) Palpatine's light saber?

I don't love the idea that it's some kind of new gizmo/map/horcrux/ring of power/whatever that we've never seen before.
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12:03p, 4/17/19
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https://screenrant.com/star-wars-skywalker-name-meaning/

Hmm, apologies if this has been posted already. Does anyone think this has anything to do with the naming of IX and a way to bring Thrawn into the movie?
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12:08p, 4/17/19
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It could be as simple as Kylo establishing his new Empire at the place where his grandfather died. Finishing what he started kinda thing.
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12:08p, 4/17/19
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My bet is they're going after a map - or coordinates - to a potential "secret base" Muck mentioned. Once again, remember that the original intention of having the fallen/sunken Death Star as a plot device in TFA was for our heroes to find a map/coordinates there. In Palaptine's throne room. Only it was supposed to be the map/coordinates to Luke Skywalker. I'm thinking Abrams and co stick with that general conceit, only the map's destination is different.
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12:19p, 4/17/19
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If the hand theory is true, will we get any explanation as to how the hell Maz got the lightsaber?
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12:22p, 4/17/19
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So what do people think will be the major, final/climactic lightsaber fight of the movie? (Characters and location?)

Is Rey vs Kylo too obvious?

My prediction:

Rey & Finn vs Kylo & KOR on Mustafar

I think Finn will get a bit of training from Rey throughout the movie, and maybe hold his own for a bit but eventually be killed.

Rey rocking her newly built double-bladed green lightsaber, Finn wielding Anakin/Luke's blue lightsaber.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:24p, 4/17/19
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
If the hand theory is true, will we get any explanation as to how the hell Maz got the lightsaber?
My bet is....Lando.

Lando ain't just in this one to fly the Falcon. He had a "hand" in this somehow behind the scenes and probably relates to how they find the base or whatever too.

imho
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:24p, 4/17/19
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Whether the hand theory is true or not, that better be explained. For such an important and iconic piece of film and pop culture history - one that literally went tumbling down a giant shaft in a city in the clouds last time we saw it - to suddenly and randomly appear in a literal treasure chest 30 years later WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION is one of the most frustrating aspects of TFA.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:25p, 4/17/19
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That's a solid theory, actually. Would certainly tie him into this trilogy nicely.

It could be explained pretty easily that someone on Bespin found it and just gave it to Cloud City lost and found (or confiscated by the Imperial garrison), which made its way into Lando's hands and eventually Maz.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:27p, 4/17/19
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Yeah, I like that. I wish Maz would have at least said as much in TFA, but to retcon it in this manner would go a long way.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:27p, 4/17/19
AG

yes. it's a figurative "checkov's gun" in film parlance .... but i always assumed this was a trilogy therefore it would be answered later. so it did not frustrate me. yet.

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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:35p, 4/17/19
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True, but Chekhov's Gun usually makes a quick appearance, and then comes back into play later. It doesn't make an appearance, then the main character uses it in a climactic fight, takes it to its former owner, then uses it to train, and then uses it in another climactic fight, all before being explained where the hell it came from to begin with. But I get what you're saying.

If it is explained in TROS, I guess I'm more curious to know if that was the plan all along, or if Abrams haphazardly introduced it in TFA without a plan, and then figured it out later. My guess is the latter, but we'll see...
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:37p, 4/17/19
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I dunno... Maz runs a cantina with smugglers coming in and out all the time, I'd think she'd be just as likely to be able to come across that as anyone else.
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In reply to bobinator • 12:39p, 4/17/19
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I'm not saying her having it is unlikely. That's fine. It's that, for such an iconic item, there's not even a single line of dialogue explaining how it got there.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:42p, 4/17/19
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I guess that's where I differ than some people, I kind of like the mystery of certain things if it doesn't negatively impact the plot in any way. I don't really need to know how the light saber got there.

Now, if it would have just been laying in the snow on Starkiller Base I'd have questions, but I like to think that some junker in cloud city came across and sold it to someone else, who sold it to someone else, none of them really realizing its importance until Maz saw it or something. I don't really need that mystery solved.
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In reply to bobinator • 12:47p, 4/17/19
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I agree 100%... if it was being presented as a mystery. But it's not. It's just this random thing with no context whatsoever. Even a mystery has intention behind it from the filmmaker. At the very least, if it was intended as a mystery, another character would have asked how it got there, but Maz would have either withheld the answer, or said something like, "Only the Force knows." Just ANYTHING other than how it was handled, where it's not explained nor is it *treated* as a mystery. It's just... there. And no one really seems to care or question it.
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In reply to bobinator • 12:47p, 4/17/19
I'm sure one day I'll be able to do two hours of reading on Wookiepedia to find out exactly how it got there.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:48p, 4/17/19
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How Lando comes into this film is something I'm really interested in since there seemed to be such a natural spot for him to come into the last film and then he didn't.

Maybe this has been covered elsewhere and I missed it, but is Leia going to die in the movie? That's going to be weird, but her dying and having some kind of big funeral type thing could set up a situation where Lando reappears.
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12:49p, 4/17/19
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Ok, my thoughts are getting away from me. Let me write out my basic theory of the plot, stream of consciousness style.

Luke's hand/lightsaber fall into Bespin trash.

Someone finds it and hands it to Cloud City lost and found, or the Empire confiscates it.

Lando grabs the saber (making its way to Maz), Luke's hand makes its way to Palpatine.

ROTJ happens, Palps dies.

*A few years go by*

Snoke somehow uses the hand to create Rey.

Rey is purposely abandoned on Jakku, in an attempt to force her into her own "Luke's hero arc" that will eventually unlock her full force potential.

*Decades*

TFA and TLJ happen

Rey, still trying to make sense of her origins, somehow discovers that there is something important on the Death Star II. (Maybe via Lando)

Rey discovers Death Star II wreckage contains map to what turns out to be the cloning facility where she originated from. (And surprise, it's on Jakku.)

The big reveal - Snoke was [perhaps unknowingly] a puppet for Palpatine. Snoke is not the clone of Palpatine as she suspected, Rey is the clone. Palpatine was the puppet master behind everything, who put Snoke on the path to cloning Rey.

I still can't figure out if Palpatine is physically alive or just influencing Snoke from the "beyond", ie as a dark side force ghost.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 12:55p, 4/17/19
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If - and this is a big IF - the hand theory is true, that would be my going theory as well, save for one thing - I think Palpatine created Rey and not Snoke. I think Palpatine is back in actual, physical form, and has been for some time, but it's his spirit inhabiting a clone body. I can't figure out how Snoke and Palpatine cross paths, though, if ever.
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