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I'm too lazy to scroll up to his post to quote/respond properly

Fair enough

When does Hodor return?

Couple of interesting cameos on this episode. Don't know if they count as spoilers though.

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Dual Dragon Ride was Cheese City.

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completely agree.

Does she even know only Targs can ride dragons? If so, she should know he's a targ already...right?

Melissandre is counted as a Targ?? Are you kidding me?

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Does she even know only Targs can ride dragons? If so, she should know he's a targ already...right?

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Bran will tell her that along with her daddy needed killing as well.

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smokeythebear said:

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Melissandre is counted as a Targ?? Are you kidding me?

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it is just a loose grouping. do not take it personal.

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I mean, that's fine, but by all means explain to me the connection

Last we saw her she was in Dragonstone, I can't remember if she pledged to now serve Dany. Her allegiance has switched at least once, already. Baratheon is out of the game, so she would then have gone under Stark, but Jon kicked her out.

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C@LAg said:

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smokeythebear said:

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Melissandre is counted as a Targ?? Are you kidding me?

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it is just a loose grouping. do not take it personal.

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I mean, that's fine, but by all means explain to me the connection

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a yo e that wasn't one of the other great houses went to targ???

Same as Brienne. She isn't a Stark, even comes from her own line. But she is serving under Starks, now.

In terms of nudity within the show, why is Baratheon out of the equation? Heck, Cersei should count as house Baratheon.

I think the website was just simplifying it in terms of major houses in play on the show.

so these points have probably been beaten to death, but I am in non-scroll back mode.

1) Is there anyway they can actually prove to Danerys that Jon is Aegon Targaryen? Sam has a piece of paper (so did Ned Stark) and Bran has shown no ability to take anyone on his Magical Mystery Tours. What would compel her to believe it, even if Jon was compelled to tell her?

2) If Jon Snow dies defeating the White Walkers, there's no way in hell the North goes with Dany to fight Cersei - Sansa, Arya, Tormund, etc. arent the kneeling types. So does Dany burn them all the way she burned the Tarlys or does she leave the North to the North and continue South?

smokeythebear said:

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C@LAg said:

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smokeythebear said:

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Melissandre is counted as a Targ?? Are you kidding me?

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it is just a loose grouping. do not take it personal.

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I mean, that's fine, but by all means explain to me the connection

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if they are associating by houses.....well.....

Melisandre is from Essos - she was a slave in Essos and later a priestess of R'hllor.
Targs are from Essos - originally - one of the 40 major noble houses of the Valyrian Freehold

She has previously aligned herself with House Baratheon via Stannis...but that house is no more I mean there are no Baratheon heirs. She later more or less was with House Stark but that did not last or end well.

But probably the simplest explanation is she has most recently been in Dragonstone and when she met Daenerys she called her Queen and told her to summon Jon Snow - actions that would imply she is on her side.

Unless you have a free agent pool I can't think of a house I would put her under other than Targ right now. that's the closest thing to a house she serves.

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C@LAg said:

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MuckRaker96 said:

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so these points have probably been beaten to death, but I am in non-scroll back mode.

1) Is there anyway they can actually prove to Danerys that Jon is Aegon Targaryen? Sam has a piece of paper (so did Ned Stark) and Bran has shown no ability to take anyone on his Magical Mystery Tours. What would compel her to believe it, even if Jon was compelled to tell her?

2) If Jon Snow dies defeating the White Walkers, there's no way in hell the North goes with Dany to fight Cersei - Sansa, Arya, Tormund, etc. arent the kneeling types. So does Dany burn them all the way she burned the Tarlys or does she leave the North to the North and continue South?

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Yes. To be consistent with TV lore, there could be a fire event that he is involved with, and emerges unburnt.

That is the most logical way to prove it.

That and the dragons taking to him.

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Speaking of dragonriders - whether Dany knows that Targs are the only ones that ride dragons or not - I'm pretty sure Tyrion would know that if it is indeed true. That's debatable.

FYI.... that's not a book thing. In the history of the dragon era there were dragon riders who were not Targs.

However the show, to my knowledge, has never said one way or the other.

But Benioff said that in some post show interview about Dany riding them and then Tyrion surviving - he made a comment that only Targs can ride dragons.

Is that cannon for the show - no clue.

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David Benioff, one of the showrunners, said in an "Inside the Episode" segment that "only Targaryens" can ride, which is a departure from the books and the show's own history-and-lore segments. This could be a retroactive continuity change, or more likely, Benioff meant in the present show story line, since right before that he said, "No one's ever ridden a dragon except for Dany," and that doesn't cancel out her ancestors. Still, the idea that dragon-riding is proof of a Targaryen bloodline persists, and how that plays out in "Game of Thrones" remains to be seen.

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so......the answer is unclear.

Blue zombie fire is still fire, right? How surprised will the NK be when a naked Jon Snow pops up from under Viserion and slices his frozen head off? Everyone will be all jaw dropped and Dany will be like "...like a horse, amirite?"

Poor Jorah

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Yea, the flying dragons is definitely book lore. I don't think it's been even addressed on the show but in the books, they had a recruitment thing to find dragon riders and most recruits got burnt up.

Books, Dany was "unburnt" but it was a one time thing. Not fireproof like in the show. Show, fireproof seems to be a "true Dragon-Targ" thing.

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C@LAg said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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Yea, the flying dragons is definitely book lore. I don't think it's been even addressed on the show but in the books, they had a recruitment thing to find dragon riders and most recruits got burnt up.

Books, Dany was "unburnt" but it was a one time thing. Not fireproof like in the show. Show, fireproof seems to be a "true Dragon-Targ" thing.

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but 2 of the "dragonseeds' were not identified as having any Targ blood in them.
Nettles - who worked on conditioning the dragon to accept her and the other.. Wulf or Ulf or something like that.

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exactly. as I said - books do not preclude non Targs from riding dragons.

show has not said either way.

show producer has said only Targs can ride dragons - but I'm not sure that's binding just like saying Dany walking out fire was a one time thing (GRRM said that about the books, but at the time the show producers said that too).