redline248 said:

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bangobango said:

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redline248 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Tyrion is also a dragon rider/Targaryen and she hasn't caught onto that either.

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absolutely zero evidence of this being the case.

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There is evidence, but it is far from settled or conclusive.

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Heresay is not evidence. The only thing that could even be taken as evidence in any fashion is that Tyrion did not get roasted when he went to unchain the dragons.

All the talk about the mad king and Joanna and the rift between him and Tywin is 100% speculation. And by the way, the show has introduced exactly none of that. In contrast, there were numerous hints about Jon throughout, starting with Oberyn talking to Tyrion. (maybe something earlier that I don't remember). It is too late in the show to dump that on the viewers.

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I don't think it happens, either, just pointing out that evidence does exist. And I don't know where you got hearsay is not evidence, but it absolutely is.

By the way, last season was there a big gap to where we didn't know exactly what was going on with Sansa? Or was it kept pretty much in real time? I feel like there was a pretty long time. But maybe I'm just not remembering closely. You don't think she had a baby and gave it up/killed it off screen?

OK, OK I'll get off this Sansa having Ramsays baby thing but there's something that just feels weird to me about it.

redline248 said:

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agrams said:

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Hmm, jon and dany in a cave... that's his move! and this time he doesnt 'know nothing'

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CAVE SEX!

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best video related to Game of Thrones yet

According to the viewers guide, the Freys had Edmure in a cell in Riverrun after Jaime released him.

K.

Did anyone else catch Cersei's words before kissing Tyene? Calling her beautiful and that it would be a shame to let Clegane smash her skull that seemed as delicate is a "duck's egg."

Did I hear that right? Shout out to the show that wont be made? Taunting fan service?

It's possible it happens in the book, but I give it less than 10% chance it happens in the show.

dlance said:

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Pam Poovey said:

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K.

Did anyone else catch Cersei's words before kissing Tyene? Calling her beautiful and that it would be a shame to let Clegane smash her skull that seemed as delicate is a "duck's egg."

Did I hear that right? Shout out to the show that wont be made? Taunting fan service?

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Doubt it. Big difference between "Dunk and Egg" and "duck's egg".

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Holy **** Im an idiot and high.

The pacing is way off though. Just last episode Euron is near Dragonstone and obliterates Yaras fleet, and in this one he is all the way over at Casterly Rock and blasting Unsullied ships. The only thing I could think of is that half of his fleet stayed near the Iron Islands while half when to Dragonstone in the first place.

aggie93 said:

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redline248 said:

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Lots of mothers die in childbirth in westeros.

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If you are looking for hard proof you won't find it, but you rarely do in this show. Main evidence though:

There are 3 Dragons and 3 Dragon riders. You need death to pay for life. Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all lost their mothers in childbirth.

Tywin never treated Tyrion as a full son and he told Tyrion as he was dying he was not his son. Was that because he was a dwarf and his wife died giving birth to him? Maybe but maybe not.

Tyrion has always been obsessed with dragons and was reading and dreaming about dragons all the way back to the first book/season. As stated the dragons also didn't kill him.

Why would the books make such a big deal about how the Mad King lusted after Joanna and he got too friendly during the bedding at her wedding to Tywin?

Doesn't make it so but there are plenty of things in the show with less evidence and foreshadowing.

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Arent Jaime and Cersei the eldest Lannister children? If Aerys took liberties with Joanna on her wedding night, then they would be Targaryen, no? Or is the theory that Aerys and Joanna were intimate after she was married for a while?

I am not well versed in the books or a lot of the backstory, so sorry is this has been covered.

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Cromagnum said:

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The pacing is way off though. Just last episode Euron is near Dragonstone and obliterates Yaras fleet, and in this one he is all the way over at Casterly Rock and blasting Unsullied ships. The only thing I could think of is that half of his fleet stayed near the Iron Islands while half when to Dragonstone in the first place.

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That definitely seemed to be his capital ship leading the destruction of the rest of Dany's fleet

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We don't know where Euron's fleet caught Yara's, right? Presumably Yara and Gray Worm left Dragonstone around the same time. Euron busts Yara near Dragon Stone, then chases Gray Worm to Casterly Rock. If his, ships are faster, it would make sense he arrives as the Unsullied are wrapping up their attack.

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Jon Snow may need Littlefinger's help again by using his army to aid the unsullied as they cross northeast into Riverrun and the Vale to get to Dragonstone.

...or the unsullied could be up north fighting white walkers by season's end

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The thing about this episode that is concerning is that Lady Tryrell, not Littlefinger, killed Joffrey. When it was thought that Littlefinger killed Joffrey there was no way he could every try to align with the Lannisters at any point in the future. Once Cercei learns that Lady Tyrell is the one who poisoned him Littlefinger's crime will be that he took Sansa out of the city, which she can get over if they align.

Littlefinger is in Winterfell, and his army still as well? I don't know what the military situation is in Winterfell at this moment between the northern families and the Vale, does the Vale outnumber the other forces?

Littlefinger being there when Sansa is laying out her plans was foolish. I can't help but think he's primed to play the other side again, especially when he told Sansa fight all the wars at the same time in your head. Littlefinger wants Sansa, she's not having it, not sure how that situation ever turns in his favor.

If Dany is going to turn the fight in her favor she's going to have to change her mind on her tactics, unless she finds out that the Lannister army wasn't at Casterly Rock and marched on Highgarden. The only way to get to those forces before they can make it back to Kings Landing is to unleash the dragons, this is her opportunity. Also I don't know if she has any ships left, if so Euron's fleet is on the other side of Westeros, which would create an opportunity for a land invasion.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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It's a tinfoil theory brought to life by a single line of dialogue in the books that was given way more significance than it was intended due to fans who are overeager to find all the "secret Targs" in the books. If you read the subreddit r/asoiaf , you'll find that half the named characters in the books are possible Targs with plenty of supporting "evidence".

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Disagree. A meta analysis of the literature shows their is no statistically significant evidence to support this claim.

redline248 said:

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bangobango said:

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redline248 said:

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BallerStaf2003 said:

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Tyrion is also a dragon rider/Targaryen and she hasn't caught onto that either.

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absolutely zero evidence of this being the case.

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There is evidence, but it is far from settled or conclusive.

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Heresay is not evidence. The only thing that could even be taken as evidence in any fashion is that Tyrion did not get roasted when he went to unchain the dragons.

All the talk about the mad king and Joanna and the rift between him and Tywin is 100% speculation. And by the way, the show has introduced exactly none of that. In contrast, there were numerous hints about Jon throughout, starting with Oberyn talking to Tyrion. (maybe something earlier that I don't remember). It is too late in the show to dump that on the viewers.

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It was said on the show that Tyrion's mother died at childbirth, Tywin saying you're not mine, and Tyrion's love of fire.

wangus12 said:

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FightinTexasAg15 said:

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wangus12 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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The pacing is way off though. Just last episode Euron is near Dragonstone and obliterates Yaras fleet, and in this one he is all the way over at Casterly Rock and blasting Unsullied ships. The only thing I could think of is that half of his fleet stayed near the Iron Islands while half when to Dragonstone in the first place.

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That definitely seemed to be his capital ship leading the destruction of the rest of Dany's fleet

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Last episode Jon was in the North and this episode he sails up to Dragonstone the first scene. Time is passing

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I definitely agree. And they've told as a million times that time passes differently from scene to scene. It isn't chronological order

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Well it has to be somewhat chronological as when characters actually meet up. But we don't know how long ago he left the North to show up then. Obviously events are moving a little closer together as they are all in much closer proximity now.

KL, Dragonstone, Casterly Rock and Highgarden are not that far apart. Compared to the Wall, Essos, Dorne, etc.

And the unsullied sailed for Casterly Rock before euron's attack last week. Then the Lannisters knowing they were coming there sent their armies to Highgarden - Jaime must have met up with them on the way because he was in KL just before that (clever little misdirection there). While euron somehow went from that attack to KL then sailed around to CR as well - he must have the fastest ships.

Too much crossover now to simply say they aren't chronological - they kinda have to be as so many are crossing paths but time is compressed where needed.

Maybe Euron took his prisoners to KL and sent his fleet without him to CR following the battle with Yara.

Or KL and Dragonstone are very close, so if he did go to KL and then to CR himself he didn't lose much time.