I have a feeling Tobias will be in TWD

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It's annoying as hell that nobody who knows stuff is telling anybody who doesn't know yet.

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Normalcy bias. Most are not willing to openly admit something is wrong even if it is blatantly obvious. It's why people keep going about their lives in a war zone.

Selfishcy bias, too. When you're hip to info that will put your loved ones in danger, you're protecting your little bubble rather than building noah's ark.

So is Tobias kind of the "Eugene" of this series? Knows stuff, but is an awkward wimp that needs to learn how to defend himself? That's the impression I'm getting.

I like the main characters for the most part. The mom seems to be willing to do what she needs to in order to keep her family safe. Daughter needs to wise up quickly.

Things are starting to pick up now.

Pacing was much better this episode.

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It's annoying as hell that nobody who knows stuff is telling anybody who doesn't know yet.

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Normalcy bias. Most are not willing to openly admit something is wrong even if it is blatantly obvious. It's why people keep going about their lives in a war zone.

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I don't buy it. On 9/11 people called everybody they knew to talk about what they saw. Phone networks were clogged in cities thousands of miles away.

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IDERP??? Really.

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So in the Atlanta walking dead, people talk about heading to the coast. In the LA walking dead, it's to the desert?

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Population center is on the west coast so that's no go

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You know there's a place untouched by all this crap...back east.

The worst part about this series is that I'm actually enjoying it. After sitting through 3 years of TWD getting out of the darabont stupidity, that show is finally getting tempo and enjoyable z-lore.

FTWD is enjoyable from the start. And they aren't having to do unique-zombie-of-the-week to get good tv. Movies like side effects and outbreak have decent SHTF value, and we are seeing it 42mins per week and slowly unfolding, devolving.

This show has the potential to be better than twd because a) it has no set cannon b) it isn't bogged down by the expectation to be great. TWD, for a decent time, had to prove itself as a viable commodity. People were debating the lifeline of the show because it was something never done and the cost of the show was an issue.

That last scene was plain cold blooded.

With the neighbor getting attacked?

Yeah. I get why she had to, but damn.

The most unbelievable part of this show is all these LA kids not having guns.

I can't wait to see all the reloadin that is going to be needed when they find guns to use

9/11 was front and center on every news channel.

The outbreak is being covered up. Maddie said to Tobias that she figured the outbreak would be contained. She's trying to shelter her teenaged daughter.

Tobias is definitely no Eugene. He had no problem attacking the principal even though his kitchen knife was weak. I like how the fresh zombies don't have rotten skulls. We'll see if they stick to that for a while.

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9/11 was front and center on every news channel.

The outbreak is being covered up. Maddie said to Tobias that she figured the outbreak would be contained. She's trying to shelter her teenaged daughter.

Tobias is definitely no Eugene. He had no problem attacking the principal even though his kitchen knife was weak. I like how the fresh zombies don't have rotten skulls. We'll see if they stick to that for a while.

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How about Ebola then? 2 people in the US were diagnosed and it was all over every news channel for a month straight.

Not to mention, why the hell would Travis not tell his ex wife everything he has seen? Did he tell her, "I don't have time on this 40 minute car drive to tell you"? Why did he not tell that family he was hiding with? What's the point in not telling them? If anything, people would be saying a bunch of false stuff and it would be hard to know what outlandish story to believe. Stuff like, "I heard it was rabies", "I heard it was a government experiment gone awry", etc.

It reminds me of those cases in movies where there is somebody talking too fast and the protagonist can't get a word in to tell the person what's going on. I can't think of a specific example of that, but every time it happens it drives me nuts on the desperate attempt to create drama.

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9/11 was front and center on every news channel.

The outbreak is being covered up. Maddie said to Tobias that she figured the outbreak would be contained. She's trying to shelter her teenaged daughter.

Tobias is definitely no Eugene. He had no problem attacking the principal even though his kitchen knife was weak. I like how the fresh zombies don't have rotten skulls. We'll see if they stick to that for a while.

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How about Ebola then? 2 people in the US were diagnosed and it was all over every news channel for a month straight.

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Ebola actually exists, but the zombie disease is something new and literally unbelievable. It's probably hard to admit even to yourself that you're seeing what your're seeing. Also, keep in mind that you said that once 2 people were diagnosed it was all over the news. Well, the zombie disease hasn't been diagnosed as anything other than the flue, and nobody is tying the flu & the zombies together yet. Plus, most rational people wouldn't even believe the zombie thing until they see it for themselves in person. I know I wouldn't.

Also, you don't fully understand the Ebola timeline. The epidemic broke out in Africa in March but was barely mentioned in the US until late July 27th when an America missionary in Africa was diagnosed. The first Ebola patient to arrive in the US was August 2. It wasn't really covered by mainstream media until early to mid October. Even TexAgs didn't have any legit "Ebola in the US" threads until Sept 29th. And even then, it wasn't until mid October that the chatter really picked up. So the Ebola thing actually started months before "2 people in the US being diagnosed."

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Not to mention, why the hell would Travis not tell his ex wife everything he has seen? Did he tell her, "I don't have time on this 40 minute car drive to tell you"? Why did he not tell that family he was hiding with? What's the point in not telling them? If anything, people would be saying a bunch of false stuff and it would be hard to know what outlandish story to believe. Stuff like, "I heard it was rabies", "I heard it was a government experiment gone awry", etc.

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It reminds me of those cases in movies where there is somebody talking too fast and the protagonist can't get a word in to tell the person what's going on. I can't think of a specific example of that, but every time it happens it drives me nuts on the desperate attempt to create drama.

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I agree. That was frustrating and was clearly designed to create tension where none was necessary.

It makes no sense that they don't tell the daughter/sister what's going on.
It makes no sense that the dad didn't tell his ex-wife that it's a matter of life & death, and she needs to shut the f up so he can talk.
It makes no sense that he didn't tell his girlfriend where he is and what's going on with them.

I can buy one of those happening because they're all under stress and we do irrational things when we're stressed...but after a while, that trend gets really annoying.

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9/11 was front and center on every news channel.

The outbreak is being covered up. Maddie said to Tobias that she figured the outbreak would be contained. She's trying to shelter her teenaged daughter.

Tobias is definitely no Eugene. He had no problem attacking the principal even though his kitchen knife was weak. I like how the fresh zombies don't have rotten skulls. We'll see if they stick to that for a while.

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How about Ebola then? 2 people in the US were diagnosed and it was all over every news channel for a month straight.

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Ebola actually exists, but the zombie disease is something new and literally unbelievable. It's probably hard to admit even to yourself that you're seeing what your're seeing. Also, keep in mind that you said that once 2 people were diagnosed it was all over the news. Well, the zombie disease hasn't been diagnosed as anything other than the flue, and nobody is tying the flu & the zombies together yet. Plus, most rational people wouldn't even believe the zombie thing until they see it for themselves in person. I know I wouldn't.

Also, you don't fully understand the Ebola timeline. The epidemic broke out in Africa in March but was barely mentioned in the US until late July 27th when an America missionary in Africa was diagnosed. The first Ebola patient to arrive in the US was August 2. It wasn't really covered by mainstream media until early to mid October. Even TexAgs didn't have any legit "Ebola in the US" threads until Sept 29th. And even then, it wasn't until mid October that the chatter really picked up. So the Ebola thing actually started months before "2 people in the US being diagnosed."

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I think given today's media, that speculation would be everywhere and 90% of it would be wrong. There would be no way that half the school would be gone and nobody know by then that something really bad is going on.

I may be in the minority here (and if I was I would quickly been turned to a walker) but I am digging this much more than TWD.

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I may be in the minority here (and if I was I would quickly been turned to a walker) but I am digging this much more than TWD.

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Not alone.

Just wait until they find a sci-UHN-tist

I really enjoy this show so far and think the pace is perfect. I gives a pretty weird take on what would happen in society if something like this truly occurred.

What frustrates me is that we KNOW what is going on due to having watched TWD. We know what we would do when we started seeing people mysteriously wake up after being dead. We know this because of watching TWD. We know how to kill walkers. We know that everyone is infected. However, if we were there when **** really started hitting the fan, without any prior knowledge, would we believe everything we saw on Reddit? Or would we think there is no way in hades something like this could happen?

Talking about the Ebola 'outbreak' in the United States, it is easy to see just how crazy and unpredictable situations are like this. Hell, the people in the apartment in Dallas just up and went out to get something to eat when they were supposed to be quarantined and not allowed to leave the house. If that was shown during this show, I have a feeling that some on this board was accuse the writers of not being genuine as 'people would not just get up and leave their house after they were told not to. People don't do those types of things in crazy/weird/stressful/scary situations'.

I wonder what it would be like to watch S1 of FTWD then s1 twd for the first time

I'm really enjoying it. The fact that we know what's going on, the dangers involved, and what they SHOULD be doing in order to survive adds to the tension and suspense for me.

While it had its share of cliches as mentioned a few posts above, I really liked episode 2.

I think it's going a little too fast (I'm probably in the minority). It went from basically normal to chaos in 2 episodes. And it assumes that as soon as SHTF that most people would turn into looting psychopaths. I would prefer people to start out with more of "law and order" and "we are better than that" attitude and then then for it to show why people ended up gravitating to a dog-eat-dog world that we know in TWD. Sorta like how Rick did on a personal level in TWD.

I also think that they are wrong on what would happen when. I think the notion of how walkers work would be known early on in a big city. An inner city shooting would have easily produced a walker. Ambulances or morgues would have had several wake up on their gurneys. The first few times that a walker doesn't die after getting shot 20 times would make waves. Somebody would shoot one in the head and that would have been known too (among cop circles) pretty soon afterwards. Even if the police didn't publicize it, their families would know, and it would spread from there.

From there, you would start to get lawlessness and looting. Murder would pretty much be legal since any murder suspect could claim the victim was a walker. There would be runs for guns/ammo, gasoline, food, etc. Most typical families would be worried about eating their next meal long before they saw their first walker. I think the show could have dealt with these subjects before the family ever saw their first walker. Make the first time they see a walker a big event halfway through the season or something. Not something they show in episode 1.

I think a "police induced" riot isn't at all unreasonable given the current climate in our country. Folks aren't rioting because of the Zs. They are rioting because the cops shot some "unarmed harmless people".

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I think a "police induced" riot isn't at all unreasonable given the current climate in our country. Folks aren't rioting because of the Zs. They are rioting because the cops shot some "unarmed harmless people".

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Actually I do like that part. That was an ingenious plot line I didn't expect. That could have been something where the cops were trying to keep it secret to reduce panic, but have to come clean because the populace wants to go to war with them for shooting "innocent" people.

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I think a "police induced" riot isn't at all unreasonable given the current climate in our country. Folks aren't rioting because of the Zs. They are rioting because the cops shot some "unarmed harmless people".

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Yup. I do think the country would go to **** in a matter of days especially in LA. LA riots come to mind for me living through them. As soon as my mom heard the verdict we left the store we were at an got home. That store was burning shortly there after

yeah, I think the unrest from "unarmed homeless" being killed is a very realistic angle to take. I also really liked the angle of the neighbor being seen packing up to escape but also apparently ill, then when you saw the car only partially packed and lights on, you knew it was about to get real at bounce house land.

I also really liked the quick shot of Matt's house with his folks' luggage scattered around.

I've been a big Kirkman critic, but so far so good on this one.

I'm wondering what they end up calling them. They had different names with different groups in the same general area. Is assume it will be something completely different here.

I think by the time any random family in town saw their first walker, they would know from the news what a walker was and that they would need to shoot them in the head and whatnot.

I can see a "hand up don't shoot" type or protest happening WAY early (like in the first few days/week), but not after half of the (or entire) school is missing due to being sick. Long before that happens, news of a scary version of rabies would be all over the news. People would want to get their own guns and stuff, and the Mayor (who I assume is liberal) would sent the police and national guard out in droves and try to forbid average Joes from arming up. The city would try to ration supplies to keep looting from occurring. But looting would happen anyway and everything would turn to crap. People would be holed up in their houses with rifles that they stole from Wal-mart, etc. THEN after living that way for a few weeks in a nice suburban neighborhood, would they see their first walker.



I think they should slow play the walker thing. Viewers are used to walkers from the TWD. There seems to be a dread in the air in this one that is missing in TWD. The whole notion of "look how pretty the weather is... too bad our lives as we know it is about to be over" is creepy. When she looked at her office door, and the school, you could tell she was asking herself, "is this the last time I ever see this place?" That's the tension that TWD lacks now. I think Fear needs to milk that longer. We know what walkers look like.

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I'm wondering what they end up calling them. They had different names with different groups in the same general area. Is assume it will be something completely different here.

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I hope they call em groaners and the show works in a terrible pun every episode.

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Tobias is definitely no Eugene. He had no problem attacking the principal even though his kitchen knife was weak. I like how the fresh zombies don't have rotten skulls. We'll see if they stick to that for a while.

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I like this, too, and I'm sure they did it on purpose. So many have complained how easy the walkers tear through flesh and how easy their skulls are stabbed or bashed in on TWD.

I agree with others about the riot aspect, too. I like how the writers took a current social issue and put it into the plot.

It's been what 3-4 days since Nick woke up in the church? Do I have this right in my head? Spoiler alerts

Episode 1
Day 1:

• Nick wakes up and encounters a walker eating the other addicts
• He winds up in the hospital and spends the night
• Tobias tells Madison (the mom) why he needs the knife.virus/illness related to attacks per the internet (Reddit/TexAgs)
• Sister and boyfriend plan date at beach for next day
• Travis and Miranda stuck on Hwy where cops shoot walker

Day 2:

• Lots of kids home from school, school let's out early.
• Kids Watching video in class of walker being shot and don't believe it's real. Teachers watching video and one mentions something about a connection between virus and attacks.
• Nick escapes from hospital after the old guy dies
• Nick spends night at underpass
• Sisters boyfriend MIA from date, won't return calls or texts.
• Mom and Travis try to find Nick

Day 3:

• School cancelled
• Nick finds his dealer and shoots him in struggle
• Mom and Travis find Nick, Nick finally kills dealer with truck

Episode 2
Day 3 Continued

• Find sister at boyfriends house. He has some kind of bite on his neck/shoulder area. His parents are out of town
• Go back to House then split up
• Mom finds Tobias, drugs, food supply and principal zombie at school. They leave without food and killed the principal. Sounded like others may have been coming into school since the metal detector beeped a couple times.
• Travis gets ex-wife and they find their son at killing an unarmed man protest. Riots start because Cops are haters and trigger happy. Family hides out in barbershop
• Meanwhile the sick are succumbing to the virus and more zombies are emerging, also people killed in riots are turning to zombies
• Mass hysteria starts in parts of LA, mainly due to riots
• Mom across the street gets mauled by other neighbor who was packing his car and coughing earlier
• Cell service starts to go down, power fluctuations in grid
• Parents come home to sick son/boyfriend and get chomped as their car was just in the driveway with bags left by the car, doors open, etc.

Episode 3

• Should continue right where they left off, the night of day 3

If they keep at this pace then we'll only get about 10-15 days in a 6 episode season.

The riots seem to be isolated to a small area of LA so far. The power outages do seem a bit quick but it could be due to car wrecks taking out lines. There could be things happening behind the scenes that we haven't heard about. If that many kids are away from school then I bet the power company, phone companies, news outlets, are missing a lot of workers too. I don't think the media or anyone else has had time to even process what they are seeing let alone get the word out. It's really been less than 24 hours since everyone saw the cops kill the walker on the news.

I think the post about emergency responders knowing something is correct. The doctor sends the dead patient downstairs immediately. The morgue is normally in the basement. The nurse gave the parents a WGAS look as she know things were a lot worse than their missing kid. The cops seem to be in the know, or are at least learning fast. The "unarmed man" appeared to have a headshot through the eye. The zombie hippie girl got one in the chest and one in the head. Cop also stocking up on water at gas station.

I also wonder what they end up calling them. Maybe something Spanish/Spanglish: muertos, reanimados, mascars, el gemidos, gemirs, vagars