I really didn't expect the girl in the butcher shop to survive. It was very gripping television. She was so sweet and funny, I just knew she was going to be a goner. Never know what to expect with this show, which is one of the reasons I love it so much.
*** Fargo Season 2 ***
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You made that point several replies ago.
At this point you're just trashing up an otherwise good thread with political crap.
At this point you're just trashing up an otherwise good thread with political crap.
In ignoring the "political crap," you are missing much of the thematic point of the series so far.
For example: Why do you think Reagan's quotation of John Winthrop's "City on a Hill" image is juxtaposed with images of the crime families moving to enact mayhem on their enemies? The writers just needed something to fill in some space?
No. It's symbolic. As I said earlier, the writers are writing an entertaining story that also has a deeper message.
That message can be seen in the references to Reagan's speech: their point, as I take it, is that Reagan's comments about the glorious promise of America as a holy community ring very hollow in the sort of world that exists even in the heartland of America, in which predators such as the "Krauts" and the KC mob operate.
That is a profound idea, and it is one that Season One covered as well, as did the movie: Why do people do evil things?
But the writers extend that idea. Whatever this intractable evil is at the heart of the universe, it invades our bodies (Lou's wife) and our politics. Lou stumbles as he does it, but he tries to make this exact point as he is speaking to Reagan in the bathroom. He wants answers; he wants to know why these bad things are happening to good people.
The writers made a similar point in the first episode, when Jimmy Carter's attempt to bring moral order to America in his speeches is ALSO ridiculed by, again, juxtaposing his noble sentiments with the reality of the wolves who operate in the world.
The writers are saying that neither the lofty idealism of Carter nor that of Reagan provides any answer to the unsolvable evil that dominates the universe of Fargo. To that extent, the writers are not indicting any specific political philosophy. Carter and Reagan are dismissed as equally out of tune with the basic evil operating in the hearts of people and at the heart of the universe. No offense taken by the portrait of Reagan at all. It works beautifully as part of the symbolism in the series.
My only complaint is that the theme of the show is fully established by the earlier references to Reagan and the scene in the urinal is unnecessarily personal.
I apologize, though, for focusing too much on the gratuitous attack on Reagan. As I said, my sense of the artistry of the show was affected by it. It just goes overboard in making a point the writers have already made.
For example: Why do you think Reagan's quotation of John Winthrop's "City on a Hill" image is juxtaposed with images of the crime families moving to enact mayhem on their enemies? The writers just needed something to fill in some space?
No. It's symbolic. As I said earlier, the writers are writing an entertaining story that also has a deeper message.
That message can be seen in the references to Reagan's speech: their point, as I take it, is that Reagan's comments about the glorious promise of America as a holy community ring very hollow in the sort of world that exists even in the heartland of America, in which predators such as the "Krauts" and the KC mob operate.
That is a profound idea, and it is one that Season One covered as well, as did the movie: Why do people do evil things?
But the writers extend that idea. Whatever this intractable evil is at the heart of the universe, it invades our bodies (Lou's wife) and our politics. Lou stumbles as he does it, but he tries to make this exact point as he is speaking to Reagan in the bathroom. He wants answers; he wants to know why these bad things are happening to good people.
The writers made a similar point in the first episode, when Jimmy Carter's attempt to bring moral order to America in his speeches is ALSO ridiculed by, again, juxtaposing his noble sentiments with the reality of the wolves who operate in the world.
The writers are saying that neither the lofty idealism of Carter nor that of Reagan provides any answer to the unsolvable evil that dominates the universe of Fargo. To that extent, the writers are not indicting any specific political philosophy. Carter and Reagan are dismissed as equally out of tune with the basic evil operating in the hearts of people and at the heart of the universe. No offense taken by the portrait of Reagan at all. It works beautifully as part of the symbolism in the series.
My only complaint is that the theme of the show is fully established by the earlier references to Reagan and the scene in the urinal is unnecessarily personal.
I apologize, though, for focusing too much on the gratuitous attack on Reagan. As I said, my sense of the artistry of the show was affected by it. It just goes overboard in making a point the writers have already made.
I'm just going to point out one more thing in an attempt to make peace, and then I'll drop it. Everyone loves Nick Offerman, both as Ron Swanson and in this role. His characters are always charmingly conservative, to the point that even liberals like him.
So if the makers of the show hate conservatives so much why would they bother to make a likable, awesome character like Karl? And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
So if the makers of the show hate conservatives so much why would they bother to make a likable, awesome character like Karl? And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
We get it, you've made your point.
Nobody who was influenced by it will change their mind because of your objections.
At this point it's about not demanding everyone agree with you and respecting the people who want to discuss the show.
If you can't do that, the politics board would be m9re appropriate for you.
Nobody who was influenced by it will change their mind because of your objections.
At this point it's about not demanding everyone agree with you and respecting the people who want to discuss the show.
If you can't do that, the politics board would be m9re appropriate for you.
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At this point it's about not demanding everyone agree with you
Is old Army a millennial in disguise?
So much tension in this episode. It was absolute nails. WOW
Ed is a scrapper. I thought maybe the real butcher would be killed by mistake.
I never caught Season 1 when it aired, I need to rectify that.
Ed is a scrapper. I thought maybe the real butcher would be killed by mistake.
I never caught Season 1 when it aired, I need to rectify that.
Interesting comment on the episode title and the O. Henry twist.
My initial thought when she sold the car was she was trying to get rid of the last bit of evidence. She knew her nosy coworker had seen the wrecked car in the garage before the alleged "wreck" with the tree.
The scene with the kid talking to Noreen about the book, while waiting for Ed to come out was so tense. I felt so much for the gerhardt kid and was really worried Noreen was going to get killed.
I love the art direction in this show. I am enjoying this season much more than season 1, which was great TV.
My initial thought when she sold the car was she was trying to get rid of the last bit of evidence. She knew her nosy coworker had seen the wrecked car in the garage before the alleged "wreck" with the tree.
The scene with the kid talking to Noreen about the book, while waiting for Ed to come out was so tense. I felt so much for the gerhardt kid and was really worried Noreen was going to get killed.
I love the art direction in this show. I am enjoying this season much more than season 1, which was great TV.
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And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
Contrary to popular belief due to his role as Ron Swanson, Offerman is very much not a conservative. Hes aa big liberal, but I guess you could say he's a "man's liberal"
quote:I thought she was going to kill the mechanic.
Interesting comment on the episode title and the O. Henry twist.
My initial thought when she sold the car was she was trying to get rid of the last bit of evidence. She knew her nosy coworker had seen the wrecked car in the garage before the alleged "wreck" with the tree.
The scene with the kid talking to Noreen about the book, while waiting for Ed to come out was so tense. I felt so much for the gerhardt kid and was really worried Noreen was going to get killed.
I love the art direction in this show. I am enjoying this season much more than season 1, which was great TV.
quote:Well said
In ignoring the "political crap," you are missing much of the thematic point of the series so far.
For example: Why do you think Reagan's quotation of John Winthrop's "City on a Hill" image is juxtaposed with images of the crime families moving to enact mayhem on their enemies? The writers just needed something to fill in some space?
No. It's symbolic. As I said earlier, the writers are writing an entertaining story that also has a deeper message.
That message can be seen in the references to Reagan's speech: their point, as I take it, is that Reagan's comments about the glorious promise of America as a holy community ring very hollow in the sort of world that exists even in the heartland of America, in which predators such as the "Krauts" and the KC mob operate.
That is a profound idea, and it is one that Season One covered as well, as did the movie: Why do people do evil things?
But the writers extend that idea. Whatever this intractable evil is at the heart of the universe, it invades our bodies (Lou's wife) and our politics. Lou stumbles as he does it, but he tries to make this exact point as he is speaking to Reagan in the bathroom. He wants answers; he wants to know why these bad things are happening to good people.
The writers made a similar point in the first episode, when Jimmy Carter's attempt to bring moral order to America in his speeches is ALSO ridiculed by, again, juxtaposing his noble sentiments with the reality of the wolves who operate in the world.
The writers are saying that neither the lofty idealism of Carter nor that of Reagan provides any answer to the unsolvable evil that dominates the universe of Fargo. To that extent, the writers are not indicting any specific political philosophy. Carter and Reagan are dismissed as equally out of tune with the basic evil operating in the hearts of people and at the heart of the universe. No offense taken by the portrait of Reagan at all. It works beautifully as part of the symbolism in the series.
My only complaint is that the theme of the show is fully established by the earlier references to Reagan and the scene in the urinal is unnecessarily personal.
I apologize, though, for focusing too much on the gratuitous attack on Reagan. As I said, my sense of the artistry of the show was affected by it. It just goes overboard in making a point the writers have already made.
A poster on another site pointed out that Hanzee possibly left the 2nd Kitchen brother alive to deliver Joe Bulo's head.
quote:Just talking about his two roles.quote:
And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
Contrary to popular belief due to his role as Ron Swanson, Offerman is very much not a conservative. Hes aa big liberal, but I guess you could say he's a "man's liberal"
quote:quote:Just talking about his two roles.quote:
And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
Contrary to popular belief due to his role as Ron Swanson, Offerman is very much not a conservative. Hes aa big liberal, but I guess you could say he's a "man's liberal"
gotcha
quote:Offerman labels himself a Bull Moose, aka "Manly progressive"quote:
And cast everyone's most lovable Right Winger Nick Offerman?
Contrary to popular belief due to his role as Ron Swanson, Offerman is very much not a conservative. Hes aa big liberal, but I guess you could say he's a "man's liberal"
Although the Reagan monologue intermixed with the shoot out in the woods was cool, it did seem like a non-sequitor. I understand that they are trying to capture the essence of the 1979 era, but including Reagan added little to the story. By contrast, Season 1 which was set in 2002 wasn't full of references to 9/11. However, Hawkley et al have earned the benefit of the doubt and I suspect that they will flush it out in the upcoming episodes (besides Bruce Campbell is awesome)
Do you guys know how to party, or what?!?
5 for 5 on great episodes. Kind of amazing that there are still 5 episodes left. Feels like next week could be the finale if they really had to make it one.
5 for 5 on great episodes. Kind of amazing that there are still 5 episodes left. Feels like next week could be the finale if they really had to make it one.
**skims thread ,skipping political debate because I dgaf**
Does anyone think they'll go all the way with the UFO's? They just keep popping up, but I can't imagine any way those get incorporated. I trust this show 100% so I would be very interested if they went for a Hail Mary like that.
Was out last night so didn't get a chance to watch till tonight. This show just keeps getting better.
One random thing I noticed that's probably meaningless but in this universe you never know: the crippled Gerhardt teen bears a much more striking resemblance to Hanzee than his dad.
One random thing I noticed that's probably meaningless but in this universe you never know: the crippled Gerhardt teen bears a much more striking resemblance to Hanzee than his dad.
Are people forgetting that the movie and this series are a satirical take on the people and communities of the region? I think it was a surprising and genius move to have Reagan make a stop on his campaign.
That was all about the bright eyed (and somewhat forced) American mentality that existed in the post-Vietnam era. People WANTED and NEEDED to be convinced that the US of A was still good and that everyone could have the American Dream. Just look at how the Blomquists thought they could somehow go back to how things were, with hopes for the good life they had always wanted. Well, until she sold the car and the butcher shop burnt down.
Loved the ending with them standing there frozen as the sirens arrived.
That was all about the bright eyed (and somewhat forced) American mentality that existed in the post-Vietnam era. People WANTED and NEEDED to be convinced that the US of A was still good and that everyone could have the American Dream. Just look at how the Blomquists thought they could somehow go back to how things were, with hopes for the good life they had always wanted. Well, until she sold the car and the butcher shop burnt down.
Loved the ending with them standing there frozen as the sirens arrived.
This show just feels like we are getting movie quality stuff every episode..Love it
quote:I have to admit, this has me a tad bit concerned about some lame ending where someone hops on a spaceship with ET. But I trust these guys to not muck it up like that.
Does anyone think they'll go all the way with the UFO's? They just keep popping up, but I can't imagine any way those get incorporated. I trust this show 100% so I would be very interested if they went for a Hail Mary like that.
One thing I noticed, that may be nothing, but after the wife took her chemo trial drugs.... The lid wasn't put back on securely, just sat there partly on ... It made me think Molly might get into since it was described as candy.... But we know Molly is alive For season 1... So I'm not sure what it means but I'm also not sure what it doesn't mean
I thought about that too, when she asked about candy they didn't say not to touch the pills, just that she needed to eat her vegetables first. But like you said she is alive in the future so who knows if that was anything.
quote:Maybe the aliens bring her back to life
I thought about that too, when she asked about candy they didn't say not to touch the pills, just that she needed to eat her vegetables first. But like you said she is alive in the future so who knows if that was anything.
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One thing I noticed, that may be nothing, but after the wife took her chemo trial drugs.... The lid wasn't put back on securely, just sat there partly on ... It made me think Molly might get into since it was described as candy.... But we know Molly is alive For season 1... So I'm not sure what it means but I'm also not sure what it doesn't mean
It was the 70's. Kids were eating pills, playing with power tools OUTSIDE, all sorts of crazy things kids today would never think of doing.
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One thing I noticed, that may be nothing, but after the wife took her chemo trial drugs.... The lid wasn't put back on securely, just sat there partly on ... It made me think Molly might get into since it was described as candy.... But we know Molly is alive For season 1... So I'm not sure what it means but I'm also not sure what it doesn't mean
If this even goes anywhere(probably won't), maybe Molly gets into them and eats a ton because it's "candy" and Lou has to rush her to the hospital or the doctor heading the trial, where the doctor will then check and confirm that Betsy got the placebo sugar pills. So Molly is fine, but it also reveals that Betsy's not getting any treatment.
Would be harsh to watch unfold.
It would be harder for her to be killed as a part of the war and then find out she had the correct pills
quote:That may very well happen, it seems like a pretty good guess. I agree also with you LHIOB, I've been suspecting that maybe the whole cancer thing has been misleading us as to how Molly's mom will die. We know she isn't around in 2006, but don't know how. I wouldn't be shocked if later this season she beats the cancer only to be murdered right afterwards.
If this even goes anywhere(probably won't), maybe Molly gets into them and eats a ton because it's "candy" and Lou has to rush her to the hospital or the doctor heading the trial, where the doctor will then check and confirm that Betsy got the placebo sugar pills. So Molly is fine, but it also reveals that Betsy's not getting any treatment.
Would be harsh to watch unfold.
very true. That's the other side of the tragic coin with Betsy.
There is a standoff between Hank and the Gerharts so its not crazy to think they find out who he is and make the connection. Plus they have already met Lou and aren't big fans.
Mike Milligan and the remaining Kitchen brother have also met Hank so KC may have a hand in her death as well.
So many ways this show can go. Its really awesome. I wish there was a Talking Fargo because I'd love some more discussion on how great this is.
I pretty much just read Uproxx and HitFix for my reviews. Any other good ones out there?
Mike Milligan and the remaining Kitchen brother have also met Hank so KC may have a hand in her death as well.
So many ways this show can go. Its really awesome. I wish there was a Talking Fargo because I'd love some more discussion on how great this is.
I pretty much just read Uproxx and HitFix for my reviews. Any other good ones out there?
I'm mostly a HitFix (Sepinwall) with occasional AVClub guy.
RIP Grantland. I'm sure they would have put someone on it (prob Greenwald)
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One thing I noticed, that may be nothing, but after the wife took her chemo trial drugs.... The lid wasn't put back on securely, just sat there partly on ... It made me think Molly might get into since it was described as candy.... But we know Molly is alive For season 1... So I'm not sure what it means but I'm also not sure what it doesn't mean
If this even goes anywhere(probably won't), maybe Molly gets into them and eats a ton because it's "candy" and Lou has to rush her to the hospital or the doctor heading the trial, where the doctor will then check and confirm that Betsy got the placebo sugar pills. So Molly is fine, but it also reveals that Betsy's not getting any treatment.
Would be harsh to watch unfold.
It's not like in the 70s they invented a cure for cancer, so it really doesn't matter if she's getting the placebo or the real pill at all.
Seems odd that the control for this study isn't whatever drug was the current standard of care. A placebo pill for cancer seems unethical....
I do love the inter generational relationships in this family - both in season 1 and season 2. Lou sitting out on the porch protecting Colin hanks' daughter was one of my favorite things from season 1.
I do love the inter generational relationships in this family - both in season 1 and season 2. Lou sitting out on the porch protecting Colin hanks' daughter was one of my favorite things from season 1.
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