*** TRUE DETECTIVE Season 2 ***

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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10:41p, 6/28/15
why would the birdman double tap him with beanbags? He's dead. The preview for the next episode confirms it.
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10:47p, 6/28/15
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So Riggins is gay and can't cope with that fact? That's why he made a big deal about almost clocking that bundle of sticks for hitting on him at the bank and then they show him checking out the gay guys outside his apartment. Which would explain why he needs the Viagra for his girlfriend.
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In reply to R0GUE • 10:55p, 6/28/15
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I'm guessing bean bags at point blank range are a death sentence as well.
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In reply to AggieRebel • 10:56p, 6/28/15
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So Riggins is gay and can't cope with that fact? That's why he made a big deal about almost clocking that bundle of sticks for hitting on him at the bank and then they show him checking out the gay guys outside his apartment. Which would explain why he needs the Viagra for his girlfriend.


I hope not, but that makes sense. Maybe too many long nights in the desert...

Seriously though, does everything have to have a gay angle in it nowadays?
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10:57p, 6/28/15
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Why would they kill off Velcoro at this point? What is the point in introducing his character only to kill him now?
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 11:02p, 6/28/15
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why would the birdman double tap him with beanbags? He's dead. The preview for the next episode confirms it.
how does it prove it?

preview did not show him...ok.....but his boss said "one of my guys get shot, you better believe i'm at the scene"...he did not say killed, dead or anything like that..he said "shot".
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In reply to Kashchei • 11:03p, 6/28/15
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So Riggins is gay and can't cope with that fact? That's why he made a big deal about almost clocking that bundle of sticks for hitting on him at the bank and then they show him checking out the gay guys outside his apartment. Which would explain why he needs the Viagra for his girlfriend.


I hope not, but that makes sense. Maybe too many long nights in the desert...

Seriously though, does everything have to have a gay angle in it nowadays?
....ummmm.....yeah and Bezzevides is apparently gay or bi too...maybe...watching some hot naked chick porn...she looked a little too into it and did not appreciate the distracting phone call.
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11:04p, 6/28/15
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IMDB has him in 8 episodes but I guess that could be flashbacks of some sort as well.
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11:04p, 6/28/15
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense to kill him off in the second episode. Also, in the preview for next week, I didn't see who said it said but while at the house Velcoro was shot in some guy said one of his officers "was shot" not "was killed." Not definitive by any means but it's worth noting

Edit: ragrets beat me to it
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11:12p, 6/28/15
His dick is shot off, he's not dead . Impotent cop shooting dicks off? Or is it the porn watching chick?

Just wanted to start the "Marty/rust did it" posts
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11:14p, 6/28/15
Video camera and router, GO. Also don't think he is dead

*opens can of worms*
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In reply to duck79 • 11:17p, 6/28/15
AG
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IMDB has him in 8 episodes but I guess that could be flashbacks of some sort as well.

this is easier than proving Jon Snow lives:

  • they didn't book a big name like CF to kill him in 2 episodes
  • they didn't promo the entire follow up to seasons 1 with CF only to not use him
  • he didn't go on the entire promo tour of talk shows for something he was barely in
  • they didn't spend all that time developing a character/backstory/drama with the wife, kid, etc....to kill him
  • nobody said he was dead - just that he was shot
  • it was a shotgun...could have been plastic pellets, bb's, sand, anything...also could have worn a vest
  • as you said listed in 8 episdoes, they only have 8 listed so far as well....
  • you don't hinge a show like this on Rachel McAdams and Tim Riggins with Vince Vaughn playing a straight man
  • you don't set up the entire dramatic 3-way control scene of jurisdictions only to eliminate that 5 minutes later
  • you don't set up all of the VV control over CF and the backstory of the rape, and body dumping if it is irrelevant.....

If you did you basically just made a 10 episode series into a 2 episode series followed by a diffrent 8 episode series.

shocking yes...end of the line for CF....no way.
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11:22p, 6/28/15
Yep, all in now.

Spoilers:


They have set up a remarkably complex set of characters and plot lines in 2 weeks, with the surprise ending tonight which was awesome. But you have three cops all investigating each other, one who may be gay, one who may be dead and one who only heaven knows is going on with. You have one cop beholden to three parties, one with ptsd and maybe one with the crazy. Your bad guy in Vaughan is trying to solve a murder to get his money back while bribing the local officials and trying to make a deal to rip off the state, and someone is going around shooting off men's junk. Does that about sum it up?

Question though, was she checking out that website because she enjoyed it or because finding those girls was part of the case? I am going with both.
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11:26p, 6/28/15
Oh and that opening scene with Vaughn telling the story was great.
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In reply to oragator • 11:29p, 6/28/15
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Oh and that opening scene with Vaughn telling the story was great.
Forgot about this. Absolutely was nails in that monologue, great job.
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11:29p, 6/28/15
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I haven't gone back and rewatched the last scene, but did it appear to y'all that the first shot hit him in the shoulder area? That spun him around and dropped him, the birdman walks over and shoots him in the abdomen. Might still be alive...

But they made it a point to show they recorder in the other room. Maybe birdman and who he is working for sends the tape to the Vinci PD, but keep Vocoro alive and maybe turn him? Use him to blunt the investigation into the Casper case?
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In reply to oragator • 11:31p, 6/28/15
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I'm thinking she is using it to go undercover. To find Casper's squeeze and any other info she can. At least that's what I'm hoping
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11:32p, 6/28/15
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When they raided that porn house it wasn't because she heard a rumor of her sister being there, it's because she stumbled upon her while getting off to live feeds. At least that's my assumption.
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In reply to Yesterday • 11:34p, 6/28/15
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Sister on sister? Kinky ...
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11:52p, 6/28/15
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Ray ain't dead. Though he will be sporting a couple slightly different looks, it seems. Wondering if we're going to jump ahead a few months/years at some point in the next couple of episodes...





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11:55p, 6/28/15
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He was at the Hollywod house because the escort gave the address, correct? was that a setup knowing he would check it out? Who else knows about the Hollywood house - VV?
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In reply to Big Al 1992 • 11:57p, 6/28/15
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:58p, 6/28/15
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Actually, those shots of Farrell in the blue shirt might be rehearsals. He may not be in characters there. Either way, that's a scene we haven't scene yet, and it looks like he shaves the 'stache at some point as well.
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11:59p, 6/28/15
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Also anyone else disappointed that the HBO TV-M ratings before the episode were a little misleading?!
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In reply to Big Al 1992 • 12:01a, 6/29/15
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Also anyone else disappointed that the HBO TV-M ratings before the episode were a little misleading?!
What do you mean?
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In reply to agmag90 • 12:04a, 6/29/15
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He wanted more nudity.
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In reply to Big Al 1992 • 12:04a, 6/29/15
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He was at the Hollywod house because the escort gave the address, correct? was that a setup knowing he would check it out? Who else knows about the Hollywood house - VV?
Semyon (VV) SENT Delcoro to Hollywood, to work FOR Semyon. Semyon did not have him shot.

The Delcoro shooting is tied to the Caspere murder directly ... Probably the same perp. The Delcoro shooter was wearing the Crow mask, which the Caspere killer had to bring BACK to the house after dropping Caspere's body. (Remember that it was in the car during the day-long tour of California).

You will also have noticed that there were at least a dozen other masks on the wall, with an empty "mask stand" that presumably held the Crow. If the Delcoco shooter were NOT the Caspere killer, what are the odds he would have grabbed exactly the same mask?
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12:07a, 6/29/15
AG
Well that was shocking...

Agree with NoRagrets logic. I don't see anyway CF would agree to this only to be killed in episode two. This is the most important role of his career... That said I don't know how you survive that.


Also Vince Vaughn has been spectacular in this role.
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12:10a, 6/29/15
The person who shot Velcoro is most likely the person who killed Casper, right? Same mask and when we see Velcoro walking toward the house the camera pans and we see an old black sedan which I'm pretty sure we saw in Ep 1 to drop Caspers body. If this is the same person and this turns into a hostage type situation with Velcoro still being alive do we see Caspers killer next week?
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:11a, 6/29/15
AG
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Actually, those shots of Farrell in the blue shirt might be rehearsals. He may not be in characters there. Either way, that's a scene we haven't scene yet, and it looks like he shaves the 'stache at some point as well.
I am on board with the rehearsal theory for the denim shirt. Those shoes are too far out-of-character for Bezzerides.
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12:12a, 6/29/15
Ya and the obvious Rayban's logo on the glasses
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In reply to AggieHank86 • 12:16a, 6/29/15
AG
Agreed. What's weird though is that he doesn't look even slightly injured in either of the in-costume pics.
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In reply to agmag90 • 12:19a, 6/29/15
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The person who shot Velcoro is most likely the person who killed Casper, right? Same mask and when we see Velcoro walking toward the house the camera pans and we see an old black sedan which I'm pretty sure we saw in Ep 1 to drop Caspers body. If this is the same person and this turns into a hostage type situation with Velcoro still being alive do we see Caspers killer next week?
Caspere's killer drove an older-model, maroon Cadillac. The car outside Caspere's Hollywood place is also an older Cadillac. Pobably the same one, right down to the whitewall tires. Just cannot see the color in the dark.

Clearly, we need to be on the lookout for an old maroon Cadillac in future episodes.

There was someone sitting in the driver seat, clearly watching Caspere's pad. Crow mask was probably still in the car with him.

Clearing the room (per Rick Grimes) would have done no good, since the shooter followed him into the house. Probably should have locked the door once inside, though.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:25a, 6/29/15
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Agreed. What's weird though is that he doesn't look even slightly injured in either of the in-costume pics.
Perhaps a staging with the recorder/camera from the other room
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In reply to astros4545 • 12:28a, 6/29/15
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Agreed. What's weird though is that he doesn't look even slightly injured in either of the in-costume pics.
Perhaps a staging with the recorder/camera from the other room
Everyone noticed that the door to the room with the camera was mirrored, right? One-way glass, to record the use of that ceiling swing in the living room.
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