*** TRUE DETECTIVE Season 2 ***

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The first Ray-centric scene after Ray beats up the reporter, at the school, the step dad asks Ray if that's blood on his shirt - the EXACT same shirt Ray had on when he beat up the reporter. That explicitly connects it to the article, which comes out the same day as everything else in this episode. I went back and checked, and Ray literally has on the exact same shirt in every single scene he's in, except the first one. So I'll admit that the scene when he drops off his kid likely takes place a few days before. Though it's not necessarily a flashback. Ray basically drops his kid off at school, then it jumps a few days to him meeting with the lawyer, which is the first scene of the "present day," and every scene from that point forward is the exact same day. He just throws on / takes off his jacked at various points throughout the day.
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then he did 100 frat boy movies and kinda type-casted himself
no way. His role in the remake of psycho was awesome


that was before he was the perma frat boy
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Does the stepdad say "blood" or "blow"? Watched it twice and swear he said blow, but I'm half deaf.
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Does the stepdad say "blood" or "blow"? Watched it twice and swear he said blow, but I'm half deaf.



Thought he said "blood." Didn't he just get done working over the reporter?
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he said "blood" and i assumed it was the reporter's
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The "have you been drinking?" And "is that blood?" Questions were dead giveaways it was the same day. Couple that with the fact he was wearing the same clothes and I can't fathom how this is even a question.

say what??????

same day as when he dropped him off....no....different clothes......neither the dad (CF) nor the kid have the same clothes


dropoff = blue shirt, tan jacket for dad and striped shirt for kid






pickup = brownish shirt no jacket and plaid shirt with solid t-shirt underneath




Unless you are talking about the dad (CF) having the same clothes when he picks the kid up as he did throughout the day - thats debatable...the above shirt looks brown while the shirt with the bolo tie and gray jacket looks more gray to me...but it could be the same shirt with different light and the jacket affecting the way it appears. thats possible. But there is no way the day of the dropoff is the same day as all of that (aven TCTTS came around on that). Did you even look at the photos?????



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Zombie Jon Snow
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Sane clothes with sleeping bag and with the reporter beating. He'd also been drinking. It's not that hard
yeah well...pay attention then!!! you aren't even having the same discussion....way behind.

the discussion was whether it was ALL the same day...including when he dropped the kid off - striped shirt for the kid and light blue shirt for the dad.
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drop off and pick up - different days
beat up reporter and pick up - same day

everyone good?
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Zombie Jon Snow
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yes .....i still think it's odd that


  • he has the bolo and jacket on and talks to lawyer, talks to people, cases the missing guys house, beats up the reporter, etc.
  • he removes the bolo and jacket in mid afternoon to see the kid
  • he puts the bolo and jacket back on for the rest of the day/night


but it is entirely possible, yes. he could just dress down in front of the kid to be more approachable (although he was wearing a jacket in the first scene)....who knows.

those shirts look slightly different color to me (the one in the second scene with the sleeping bag vs. the other scenes with the jacket/bolo), but it could just be the light and/or it looks different next to the jacket.

that was what led me to believe both scenes with the kid were a different time (flashbacks)...but it appears that only the first scene dropping the kid off was a flashback (or occurred earlier and there was a significant time jump - i.e. days).

anyway...move along...it's not even important...so no need to bog down.....i just was confused why people thought all of it was the same day even with picture and contextual clues that it wasn't (meaning the 2 encounters with the kid).
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i just was confused why people thought all of it was the same day even with picture and contextual clues that it wasn't (meaning the 2 encounters with the kid).


95% of it is the same day, which is the basic point I was making from the get go.
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also i did not expect to get the ski mask scene in the first episode.



Yeah I was really surprised that the ski-mask guy was Colin Ferrell and that it happened in the first episode. I don't know why but I had pictured something completely different and definitely more spooky or ominous.
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i just was confused why people thought all of it was the same day even with picture and contextual clues that it wasn't (meaning the 2 encounters with the kid).


95% of it is the same day, which is the basic point I was making from the get go.
i know....and i appreciated your other points and did not take any issue with them...i only pointed out the first scene with the kid was definitely not the same day as the second scene with the kid.

you let loose a long (6 paragrpah) rebuttal.....so i felt the need to provide the evidence for that.

it's unimportant in the larger context, but was clearly not the same day. fine point of difference there.

again....we are now in violent agreement....moving on.

and i really did appreciate your other points....good analysis...i just didn't comment on them because they were succinct and spot on and required not further debate really.
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yes thats correct tc and i believe theres about 2-3 weeks in between the drop off scene and the day that the majority of the episode takes place.
could be anywhere from a few days (certainly over at least one weekend...the campout weekend that the kid did not go to) and up to a few weeks i suppose.

seemed like he gets the kid every 2 weeks or something...but he showed up earlier than he was supposed to with the sleeping bag....and then goes and beats up the bullies dad.
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Interesting. This series is set in the (near) future. Our best data for a firm date is found on the newspaper with the first installment of the exposee. It is dated "Tuesday, October 27, 2015" (per page A11 of the newspaper we saw in the office of VV's casino).


The timeline for the rest of the episode is not entirely clear, but the episode DID NOT occur on one day. Setting aside the flashback to VV and Delcoro, it seems to have occurred over about two weeks.


Delcoro is a divorced dad. Divorced dads get to drop their kids at school on the Monday after 1/3/5 weekends. Dropoff scene (first scene in the episode) was thus a Monday. Based upon the date on the newspaper, this dropoff was probably two Mondays earlier or 19-October, the Monday after the third Friday. Delcoro's shirt has white buttons versus the brown buttons in most of the other scenes.


The next scene is the custody lawyer's office. Delcoro's shirt now has dark buttons. Thus, almost certainly a different day from school drop-off.


Next scene is flashback to initial meeting between VV and Delcoro. Not important to the timeline.


Next scene is VV and hot redhead wife getting ready for the big meeting. Clearly early morning. Certainly earlier than a lawyer would have met with a client. Probably a different day from Delcoro's family law meeting.


Next scene later that day (still prior to the big meeting) is at VV's casino. This is where we see the newspaper referenced above.


The bulk of the episode seems to occur on this date.


Next scene is the loading and driving of Caspere's body. No timeline info that I could see. License plate on the killer's car is 2PCE109. Older maroon Cadillac. May be important later. They focused too long for it to be insignificant.


Next scene is Bezzerides' morning after. No timeline.


Next scene is the LA County SD raid on the webcam house. It is SHOWN after in the episode after VV reads this article, but the calendar on the wall in the webcam house is displaying SEPTEMBER 2015. This could be lazy employees, but the correct date would seem important in their business (credit card charges and such). In other words, this scene MAY have occurred on an earlier date.


Next scene is Delcoro walking from his house to the police department next door. He reads the same article as VV, on the same page of the same newspaper, dated the same day. This would not seem to be the same day as the lawyer meeting, because it seems he just woke up for the day. Also, he removes a parking ticket from the windshield of his car, so it seems to have been sitting for a while (maybe overnight). Delcoro is assigned the missing person case.


Next scene is Woodrough's traffic stop, followed immediately by his "dressing down" from his Captain. Cannot be the same day as the traffic stop, because the Captain says "this is not you, but it has the tabloids focused on that (Black Mountain) mercenary work." No tabloid got the story from the actress, researched Woodrough's background and published a story all on the same day. (Did anyone else think his Captain looks like Slider from Top Gun?)


Next scene is VV's big reception, before arrival of the Moscow guy. No timeline data.


Next is interview of Caspere's staff. Delcoro still wearing shirt with brown buttons and bolo.


Next scene is Delcoro's visit to Caspere's pad. Brown buttons and bolo.


Return to VV reception. Russian arrives.


Next scene is the Cadillac still driving Caspere's body on a tour of California. No timeline.


Next scene is Bezzerides delivering the Foreclosure Notice. It seems to be dated October 16, 2015. No explanation for a delay of almost two weeks in serving it. (Again, love the huge TV in the home about to be foreclosed).


Return to VV's big reception.


Bezzerides goes to her Dad's Pantacapaeum Institute. Listens to presentation.


Delcoro beats the reporter. Brown buttons and no bolo, probably removed to avoid losing it in the assault.


Return to Bezzerides and her Dad.


Delcoro at his son's school. Stepdad says "Hey Ray, you're not until next Friday." He aso says "Camping trip was last weekend." There WAS a weekend between the 19-October dropoff scene and the newspaper article eight days later. The stepdad also says that the kid's shoes were stolen and destroyed "last week."


We know this event occurred after the beating of the reporter and the same day because of the reference to blood on his clothes. Brown buttons and no bolo. Apparently, he did not put it back on after removing his ski mask post assault.


Bezzerides in women's locker room with all her throwing knives.


Woodrough at his girlfriend's apartment.


VV and the Russian in the office after thee reception. It is still early, because they are meeting for dinner afterwards.


Delcoro at Aspen's house. It is dark now. Still the shirt with the brown buttons. Bolo back on.


Cadillac drops Caspere on park bench. Late night, given the lack of traffic.


Woodrough leaves his woman's apartment, after discussing his scars (sort of). Takes insane motorcycle ride.


VV and Delcoro meet in the dive bar. We see the waitress with the nasty facial scars. Brown buttons and bolo.


Bezzerides at the casino.


Woodrough continues crazy bike ride. Finds body of Caspere. Calls it in.


Delcoro in dive bar, passed out in booth.


Bezzerides tossed from casino, probably for being too drunk. Gets call on Caspere murder while still in parking lot. Casino sign is blue neon. Is it VV's casino?


Delcoro gets call on Caspere murder. Wakes him from nap in dive bar. Boss: "I need you in Ventura. PCH." Etcetera.


All three cops view the body.

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some of you need less free time.
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This year, I will solve it. Wife and kids out of town.

Events that CLEARLY were another day:

Flashback re the rapist
Delcoro dropping kid at scool.
Delcoro meeting lawyer.
Woodrough traffic stop.

Events MAYBE another day:

Raid at webcam house.
Bezzerides and her Dad.
Woodrough suspension with pay.

Everything else seems to have been Tuesday, 27-October-2015.
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Dude, Ho.Lee.****.
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What if Farrell is a time traveler?
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Wife and kids out of town.

Events that CLEARLY were another day:

Flashback re the rapist
Delcoro dropping kid at scool.
Delcoro meeting lawyer.
Woodrough traffic stop.

Events MAYBE another day:

Raid at webcam house.
Bezzerides and her Dad.
Woodrough suspension with pay.

Everything else seems to have been Tuesday, 27-October-2015.



Oh, and I agree, although I tend to think that everything outside of your first grouping was definitely the same day. And thanks for clearing up the "blood on your sleave" everyone. Confirms that I'm definitely half deaf.
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Can someone explain what is going on with urban develop and this rail? Seymon is head of this development, so he's getting help from the govt, and this help/$ will help with commercial development which is the Russians?
I don't know too much in regards to govt jargon.
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Does anyone else think the digital recorder thing that colin Farrel got for his son and he to use will end up playing some kind of role? Just seemed kind of random
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Can someone explain what is going on with urban develop and this rail? Seymon is head of this development, so he's getting help from the govt, and this help/$ will help with commercial development which is the Russians?
I don't know too much in regards to govt jargon.


High speed rail is coming in, I think vince Vaughn needs Russian money for holding companies that will own land along rail to be developed.
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Does anyone else think the digital recorder thing that colin Farrel got for his son and he to use will end up playing some kind of role? Just seemed kind of random
Was thinking the same thing. It HAS to come into play in a fairly big way. They showed/referenced it TWICE in this episode, and that definitely wasn't an accident.
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Can someone explain what is going on with urban develop and this rail? Seymon is head of this development, so he's getting help from the govt, and this help/$ will help with commercial development which is the Russians?
I don't know too much in regards to govt jargon.


High speed rail is coming in, I think vince Vaughn needs Russian money for holding companies that will own land along rail to be developed.

Thanks. What's a holding company?
Where do you see this portion of the story progressing? Russian lent money, what to see ROI, Casper go will put that in jeopardy?
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Does anyone else think the digital recorder thing that colin Farrel got for his son and he to use will end up playing some kind of role? Just seemed kind of random
Was thinking the same thing. It HAS to come into play in a fairly big way. They showed/referenced it TWICE in this episode, and that definitely wasn't an accident.


When does this happen? Can't remember this.
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