Yes and no. They have changed a few details and expedited and cut out some story lines though, so book readers are in the dark a lot more in the new episodes than they ever have been. I fully expect next season to be completely new stuff if GRRM hasn't released his new book.
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I think there are a few possibilies:
1) Robbyn Arryn (to marry, possibly Princess Marcella)
2) High Sparrow's son (to hostage)
3) High Sparrow's lover (to wreck the Sparrows)
Where are you getting this?
quote:Its speculation. Just ask yourself what "handsome young boy" would benefit Cercei and Ollena? Hell even LF is pissed at the High Sparrow.quote:
I think there are a few possibilies:
1) Robbyn Arryn (to marry, possibly Princess Marcella)
2) High Sparrow's son (to hostage)
3) High Sparrow's lover (to wreck the Sparrows)
Where are you getting this?
quote:quote:As long as all the power brokers feel he is ultimately "on their side" and key to their strategic interests, it will be awhile. Like a marketing guru, He is really really good at manufacturing a need for himself to others.
How long before somebody grows tired of Littlefinger and kills him? He seems to always be sneaking around in the background and making things happen but sooner or later his spider web of lies and sneakery will catch up to him.
We have zero reason to believe the High Sparrow has a male lover. Would go completely against his character, doesn't make much sense.
quote:We had zero reason to suspect LF would kill Joffrey, Lysa. We had zero reason to suspect Theon would betray Robb. We had zero reason to suspect Lord Commander Mormont would be killed by nameless brothers of the Nights Watch. Oh and the Red Wedding, did you see that coming?
We have zero reason to believe the High Sparrow has a male lover. Would go completely against his character, doesn't make much sense.
Having some secret like that would be a great and logical way for Little Finger to take him down.
quote:quote:We had zero reason to suspect LF would kill Joffrey, Lysa. We had zero reason to suspect Theon would betray Robb. We had zero reason to suspect Lord Commander Mormont would be killed by nameless brothers of the Nights Watch. Oh and the Red Wedding, did you see that coming?
We have zero reason to believe the High Sparrow has a male lover. Would go completely against his character, doesn't make much sense.
I think we all knew he would kill Lysa
We had zero reason to suspect LF would kill Joffrey, Lysa.
He had every reason to kill both.
We had zero reason to suspect Theon would betray Robb.
We saw it coming at least a few episodes ahead of time.
We had zero reason to suspect Lord Commander Mormont would be killed by nameless brothers of the Nights Watch.
Maybe, but it made sense.
Oh and the Red Wedding, did you see that coming?
About halfway through the wedding.
The High Sparrow being gay would not make sense in the story, all of the above did.
He had every reason to kill both.
We had zero reason to suspect Theon would betray Robb.
We saw it coming at least a few episodes ahead of time.
We had zero reason to suspect Lord Commander Mormont would be killed by nameless brothers of the Nights Watch.
Maybe, but it made sense.
Oh and the Red Wedding, did you see that coming?
About halfway through the wedding.
The High Sparrow being gay would not make sense in the story, all of the above did.
All I can say is that I was so so so satisfied to see Cersei get arrested. *****.
quote:I don't think LF's gift of the "handsome young boy" to Olenna benefits both her and Cersei. I think he was saying he gave Cersei a handsome young boy (the guy Loras was stabbing), and that he has another gift of a handsome young boy to give Olenna. It could've been Lancel, although as others have mentioned that gets a little sloppy since Lancel had supposedly already confessed his sins. Maybe LF found Gendryquote:Its speculation. Just ask yourself what "handsome young boy" would benefit Cercei and Ollena? Hell even LF is pissed at the High Sparrow.quote:
I think there are a few possibilies:
1) Robbyn Arryn (to marry, possibly Princess Marcella)
2) High Sparrow's son (to hostage)
3) High Sparrow's lover (to wreck the Sparrows)
Where are you getting this?
quote:I was hoping she would be put with Margery and then Margery would have a s*** eating grin on her face and be like, ".....hey.....how are you doing?"
All I can say is that I was so so so satisfied to see Cersei get arrested. *****.
quote:Really?! He admitted to Sansa killing Joffrey doesnt do anything for him politically, and that is why no one suspects him.
We had zero reason to suspect LF would kill Joffrey, Lysa.
He had every reason to kill both.
quote:Like when he is begging his father to join Robb?
We had zero reason to suspect Theon would betray Robb.
We saw it coming at least a few episodes ahead of time.
quote:It seems like in order for an event you approve of, you need to have 1) all players in the event known, 2) there to be some previous scene that hints at it.
We had zero reason to suspect Lord Commander Mormont would be killed by nameless brothers of the Nights Watch.
Maybe, but it made sense.
Well, lemme tell you, the LF/Ollena scene is the #2 in this case.
quote:quote:I don't think LF's gift of the "handsome young boy" to Olenna benefits both her and Cersei. I think he was saying he gave Cersei a handsome young boy (the guy Loras was stabbing), and that he has another gift of a handsome young boy to give Olenna. It could've been Lancel, although as others have mentioned that gets a little sloppy since Lancel had supposedly already confessed his sins. Maybe LF found Gendryquote:Its speculation. Just ask yourself what "handsome young boy" would benefit Cercei and Ollena? Hell even LF is pissed at the High Sparrow.quote:
I think there are a few possibilies:
1) Robbyn Arryn (to marry, possibly Princess Marcella)
2) High Sparrow's son (to hostage)
3) High Sparrow's lover (to wreck the Sparrows)
Where are you getting this?
Gendry could actually make sense as he could be used to show Cersei's incest. The only problem with that would be that Margery is married to someone who shouldn't be King which hurts the Tyrells.
quote:Wanted to see this so badly.quote:I was hoping she would be put with Margery and then Margery would have a s*** eating grin on her face and be like, ".....hey.....how are you doing?"
All I can say is that I was so so so satisfied to see Cersei get arrested. *****.
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If LF can get Marcella to marry Arryn, that will make the Arryn the father of the King (get Marg to kill King Tommen), Highgarden will have marginalized the Martells (and the Lannisters too). Remember what LF said before telling her about his gift "our fates are intertwined". So, I think LF plans to marry Arryn to Marcella, but this leaves him an eligible bachelor (say Marg?). But I wouldnt put it past him to change the cast for the Arryn/Marcella wedding to include himself. Remember he is the Lord of Harrenhall, the largest castle, so he would technically be suitable for a royal wedding.
Just my thoughts.
Interesting.
In order to help this plan come to fruition, I humbly offer myself to marry Natalie Dormer.
quote:Youre right the handsome young boy doesnt have to benefit both. But it could.quote:I don't think LF's gift of the "handsome young boy" to Olenna benefits both her and Cersei. I think he was saying he gave Cersei a handsome young boy (the guy Loras was stabbing), and that he has another gift of a handsome young boy to give Olenna. It could've been Lancel, although as others have mentioned that gets a little sloppy since Lancel had supposedly already confessed his sins. Maybe LF found Gendryquote:Its speculation. Just ask yourself what "handsome young boy" would benefit Cercei and Ollena? Hell even LF is pissed at the High Sparrow.quote:
I think there are a few possibilies:
1) Robbyn Arryn (to marry, possibly Princess Marcella)
2) High Sparrow's son (to hostage)
3) High Sparrow's lover (to wreck the Sparrows)
Where are you getting this?
If LF has leverage over the High Sparrow, like a son or a lover, he can manipulate the Faith to the benefit or demise of Cercei or Ollena.
It just needs to make sense. All of those made sense within the story, and what you're theorizing would be completely out of left field, a deus ex machina if you will. The Sparrows are basically one already, so this would be one on top of another one.
The High Sparrow is throwing some of the most powerful people in Westeros in jail for indecency. If he had an old lover hiding somewhere in Westeros, he'd better 1 - be the only one who knew about it, and 2 - be dead. Even then, he could be in trouble with Littlefinger having spies everywhere. But beyond that, it just wouldn't make any sense for his character if he was a closeted homo.
The High Sparrow is throwing some of the most powerful people in Westeros in jail for indecency. If he had an old lover hiding somewhere in Westeros, he'd better 1 - be the only one who knew about it, and 2 - be dead. Even then, he could be in trouble with Littlefinger having spies everywhere. But beyond that, it just wouldn't make any sense for his character if he was a closeted homo.
Have we seen Highgarden or Casterly Rock in the show . . . ever?
Furthermore, if the theory that the High Sparrow is gay is based on information given in the books, kindly stop posting.
no. hopefully we'll see both next season or season 7. GRRM has stated those are two specific places he wants to take people to in his future books.
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Furthermore, if the theory that the High Sparrow is gay is based on information given in the books, kindly stop posting.
Its not, that is just people speculating. The only things the books [outright] say about the Sparrow is that he is uber religious. Honestly, the newest pope is a very good comparison - this guy who comes in and really promotes helping the poor people.
My guess is the young lad is Gendry and it'll be used to prove the Lannister incest. Ollena and LF hold it over Cerci's head, make her have Tommen revoke arming the Faith. Outing the Lannisters doesn't help House Tyrell, since right now their daughter is the queen.
Unless they lie and try to say Maragary bedded Renly.
It constantly amazes me that book readers cant seem to grasp the simple concept of not posting anything that is in, or isn't in, the books.
I don't think we'll see Gendry again. I don't see how he really changes anything. His existence doesn't prove that Tommen is a bastard and now thanks to Ramsay, we know a little more about bastards' rights in Westeros. It sounds like he'd be a long way from being heir.
I think the handsome young man could refer to:
a new character (the gay high sparrow thing doesn't strike me as far out at all)
Arryn Robin
Lancel Lannister - This still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Primarily because he of the timeline, but also because I don't see how he helps the Tyrells
Loras's f buddy - He could be using him for leverage over the Tyrells. Maybe LF can get him to redact his allegations against Loras and Margaery if Grandma Tyrell plays along?
I think the handsome young man could refer to:
a new character (the gay high sparrow thing doesn't strike me as far out at all)
Arryn Robin
Lancel Lannister - This still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Primarily because he of the timeline, but also because I don't see how he helps the Tyrells
Loras's f buddy - He could be using him for leverage over the Tyrells. Maybe LF can get him to redact his allegations against Loras and Margaery if Grandma Tyrell plays along?
quote:AH. Now this makes sense. Good thinking.
Loras's f buddy - He could be using him for leverage over the Tyrells. Maybe LF can get him to redact his allegations against Loras and Margaery if Grandma Tyrell plays along?
quote:So you think the High Sparrow is the only virtuous man in Westeros?
The High Sparrow is throwing some of the most powerful people in Westeros in jail for indecency. If he had an old lover hiding somewhere in Westeros, he'd better 1 - be the only one who knew about it, and 2 - be dead. Even then, he could be in trouble with Littlefinger having spies everywhere. But beyond that, it just wouldn't make any sense for his character if he was a closeted homo.
I mean even Ned and Robb broke their vows. Stannis committed fratricide. Even Lord Commander Mormont must have done something to be exiled to the Nights Watch.
These are the men of rigid virtue in the show. Yet a man shows up without his shoes, claiming he gave them to a needy man and you are convinced! Martin's characters are suppose to be human, not pristine angels.
quote:But if he changes his story now he'll have lied under oath and he'd be facing the same punishment Loras and Margaery are. I guess the Tyrells could tell him to change his story or they'll kill him but that seems too straight forwardquote:AH. Now this makes sense. Good thinking.
Loras's f buddy - He could be using him for leverage over the Tyrells. Maybe LF can get him to redact his allegations against Loras and Margaery if Grandma Tyrell plays along?
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I mean even Ned and Robb broke their vows.
Are we sure about that?
quote:Robb broke his word to the Frey's. By his honor, he was betrothed.quote:
I mean even Ned and Robb broke their vows.
Are we sure about that?
Ned, well, he didnt write down Robert's will correctly.
Jon Snow and Sam definitely broke theirs!
"He who is without sin cast as the top sparrow."
Oh my.
quote:Anyone read that like George Takei
Oh my.
ha...The sparrow Prince