bluefire579 said:

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Or just a slight weapons malfunction, but I'm sure everything's fine there.

Final Vote: Rancor 72%, Bib 28%

I'll see you all you a-holes shoved into the Great Pit of Carkoon for this.

Fat Bib Fortuna said:

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Final Vote: Rancor 72%, Bib 28%

I'll see you all you a-holes shoved into the Great Pit of Carkoon for this.

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We will get out just like Boba did.

Work progressing on Andor series

Jawas sans hoods

Happy 90th birthday to James Earl Jones. The most iconic voice in Hollywood history.

"when he was still a symbol of hope and optimism."

**** you, Rian Johnson

Do you know how I felt about the latest showrunner of Doctor Who, a show I owe a lot of my growing up, and the latest series being a disappointment. I just said whatever, this doesn't change my prior love for the series. It doesn't take away from my love of the show in the past or the moments I got to experience with my father. I would never say **** Jodie Whittaker or **** you Chris Chibnall ( who really is not a good writer )

If a single person can ruin that experience that may have helped reform you growing up . . . then I don't need to finish that sentence. It is honestly sad.

Rian Johnson did not change or damage how I feel about Luke Skywalker, or the star wars of my younger life. He tried to destroy the character of Luke Skywalker. There's a big difference, there. Go preach somewhere else.

Is categorizing Luke as a symbol of hope and optimism really... correct?

When we last saw Luke in ROTJ he was definitely hopeful and optimistic. He laid it all on the line to give his father a chance to come back and was ultimately rewarded. This is despite him being driven almost entirely by fear throughout Empire. So he's learning and getting better... moving toward the qualities of a Jedi as Yoda taught him.

But Luke is also characterized as struggling to keep from succumbing to the darkness. It's slowly getting to him. We see it throughout Empire and he really walks that line. At the beginning of Jedi he's all in black like Vader with his mechanical hand showing that he's slowly losing that battle. And despite his hope and optimism he very VERY nearly turns. The Dark Side comes SO close to claiming him.

So by the time Johnson shows up, the big decisions have been made for him. Luke started a temple, Snoke got to Ben, the temple burned, and Luke responded by running away. There is no "hope and optimism" version of that.

Han is killed and the Hosnian system is wiped out, and Luke does nothing. There's no "hope and optimism" version of that, either.

There are lots of "fear" and "struggling to keep from succumbing to the darkness" versions of that setup, though. Every decision Johnson made regarding Luke was justified with the events of TFA and Luke's character history.

Added to that, one of the most revered Legends stories ever written was about Luke willingly falling to the Dark Side and serving as the resurrected Emperor's apprentice. That should have served as a pretty good barometer for some of the choices Johnson made (conflicted Luke, Force projection), and I've never understood the vastly different reaction because the "bring Legends back" and "Rian Johnson hates Star Wars" Ven diagrams have a ton of overlap.

Can we discuss the problems with The Last Jedi?

I feel it's a subject that warrants discussion and we definitely haven't done.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Can we discuss the problems with The Last Jedi?

I feel it's a subject that warrants discussion and we definitely haven't done.

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Kind of Hamill's fault for continuing to bring up his resentment and rehashing it all.

Page 1012 of this thread and here comes another TLJ "discussion".