Well, all of those Greeks were having leftist wet dreams too.

I really hope Mandalorian has that gritty "Game of Thrones" or "Batman / Dark Knight" feel to it. The cleanliness of the Prequals and TLJ are at odds with the appetite in modern cinema for "realism" ... and yes I know it's sci-fi but I mean realism as in feasibility and "what would this really be like..."

These movies should have been much dirtier (probably not bloody because it's family oriented after all) but cuts, scrapes, burn marks, sweat, battered armor, torn clothes, broken things, and "no one is safe" kind of story telling.

Scrapes? There were multiple decapitations in the "clean" prequels

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Scrapes? There were multiple decapitations in the "clean" prequels

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I remember going into Ep 3 thinking "wonder why this is PG-13?" Then Anakin lopped off Dooku's head.

Looking back, with Maul getting sliced in half in 1, and Jango and the first Tusken Anakin went after in 2 I'm guessing the extra rating in 3 also had to do with Anakin getting dismembered and burned? Or maybe the implied killing of children?

probably the whole slaughtering kids things. yeah.

When the wife and I saw it in the theatre in 2005 and she was pregnant at the time, she looks over at me and says "well, that's kind of f'd up for a family movie, allrighty".

Our third in theatre SW experience and I just kept digging that hole.

It's not just the obvious (Anakin burning to "death", killing children, etc.), I think just the story itself was "dark" enough to warrant it.

True. In my opinion the death of so many Jedi warranted an R rating

https://www.boxofficepro.com/social-pulse-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-joker/

Probably a good sign that this saga is still very relevant in social media and to the younger generation in general.

Doesn't quite jive with the doom-and-gloom scenarios some posters have been warning of.

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It's not just the obvious (Anakin burning to "death", killing children, etc.), I think just the story itself was "dark" enough to warrant it.

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He also choked out his wife with the Force knowing she was pregnant.

Is Rambo: Last Blood a real thing?

yeah but she died of 'losing the will to live'.... mother instincts be damned.

The one that "bombed" and that "everyone" hated got great reviews and made 1.3 billion dollars, soooooo I don't think the general perception is that the franchise has run off the rails.

I think Solo is the one that most people point to.

True, but in popular culture (outside the confines of Texags) I think people would think of solo in the same way as a lower tier marvel movie. Decent, but mostly meh. Nowhere near the disappointments that most of the DC films have been.

I'm sure Disney wasn't happy with the box office, but I don't think solo did (or says) much about public perception of Star Wars overall.

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Eh. Canto Bright was no cinematic wonder, but I can't rewatch any little orphan Ani scene without cringing.

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The collective internet hatred for that kid has always been beyond my grasp of understanding. "Sure, I loved Ewoks and kid **** when I was a little kid, but then I grew up to be a cynical bitter nerd and the movie franchise was supposed to age with me!"

Agreed.

It's not the kid's fault that Lucas didn't try to get the best take out his actors

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It's not the kid's fault that Lucas didn't try to get the best take out his actors

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Yeah, I've got nothing against the actors, the whole thing was just poorly done, with the little kid scenes being some of the worst parts. There are plenty films with great performances by kid actors. This isn't one of them.

That said, I honestly didn't think Jake Lloyd was all that bad. Yes, his story/dialogue was terrible, but I don't know if many kids could have actually acted those lines better than he did. He wasn't good, obviously, but it's hard to tell how much of that was due to Lucas.

Now I'm really curious what this secret project is.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Now I'm really curious what this secret project is.

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It's codenamed "Jedi Praxis."

Probably going soft in my old age, but Anakin's part of the love story is pretty believable to me. When you're that smitten with a girl, you basically say and do stuff that seems like the perfect idea in your head - his twisting of the jedi definiton of compassion, leaning in on her on Naboo, suggesting they keep it a secret, etc. - but sounds incredibly stupid most of the time.

Padme's development of romantic feelings for Anakin is the part that makes no sense. After they reconnect, all he does is save her from a couple of catepillars then go a low-rent cruiser, watch Sio Bibble act the hell out of his lines, and go on a picnic.

It's a shame they cut out the scene at her house where Anakin talks to her dad and Padme to her mom, that was a decent scene.

But they really should have had Anakin save her life from some kind of massive attack to push forward the idea of him being her knight in shining armor. Using the Force to cut open a Space Pear isn't exactly Romance 101.

So funny.

Sweet. I have a friend who's really into this kind of organization on his digital library, so I'll be sure to send that over to him when it's up. He'll get a huge kick out of that.

And I'm still pretty peeved that they got rid of the episode numbers.

I want to see I-IX on my blu-ray collection and on Disney+. Why can they not give that to me?!

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Plus, Liam Neeson is the only character in the prequels who escapes seeming like a rookie actor in a soap opera, so that's not on Jake Lloyd.

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The scene on Kamino when he's questioning Jango about who recruited him for the clones is really bad. The lines are delivered in a rush and feel really unnatural. I think that's about the worst he looks in the prequels.

And I don't fault him at all.

Same for Christopher Lee when he's trying to turn Obi-Wan on Geonosis. Terrible pacing.

I've always wondered when that turn happened for her. When she went from "You'll always be that little boy I knew on Tatooine" to "I want to have sex with you".

I've seen the movie too many times to count, and I still can't tell when that turn happens.

I guess at some point in the Naboo montage, when she started wearing dresses that any male would notice, much less a celibate male who you know is in love with you.

I suppose I can buy the passage of time and it happened slowly, but one or two more scenes would've been nice. And I do agree that dinner scene is pretty good, they really should have left it.