Also, no mention of Keri Russell, which is odd...

This is wild.

Hmm.

Not sure if I'm totally onboard with bringing Leia back this way. Having said that, I much prefer this to CGI or an off-screen death. Seems like the least "bad option". Hopefully the character gets a proper send off.

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This is wild.

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Actually, nothing is really wild when you're making s*** up as you go.

You're not wrong, but if Leia knows who Snoke is, Luke absolutely does too.

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Finding a truly satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga without her eluded us...

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Also, first official confirmation that this is, in fact, the end.

I always thought that should've been left in. Seems like a pretty important moment to show they had no support from the New Republic. (Not to mention to actually SEE the New Republic functioning before it's destroyed.)

Based on that, here's my guess...

- They change the location to either Coruscant or wherever the new capital is.

- Leia asks for funding/resources for the Resistance, same as originally intended, it's just more dire this go around.

- Coruscant/new capital is attacked by the First Order.

- Leia dies in the attack.

Well, I'm hyped.

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Now, I think that Snoke found Kylo and the Knights of Ren after they split away from Luke, and I'm not sure Snoke and Luke ever had any interactions at all. In TLJ, I don't think Luke ever even mentions Snoke.

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I'm not sure how that's possible, but I'm pretty weak-minded on this stuff. Spell out your reasoning a bit more.

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Nowhere in the last two movies (I'm not talking about novels at all here) does it ever say that Snoke and Luke have ever met, spoken or interacted in any way whatsoever. I can't think of an instance where Luke Skywalker acknowledges he is even aware of Snoke (although I'm sure he is). We know obviously that Snoke is very aware of Luke, but not really the other way around.

Following that, I'm thinking that the first time Kylo encounters Snoke was after Kylo rebelled against Luke and destroyed his academy and left with some of the other students (whom I am assuming are the future Knights of Ren).

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It was Snoke that turned Ben Solo to the Dark Side, so their first interaction (likely not in person) was definitely before Ben destroys the temple.

Luke talks about Snoke when explaining to Rey what happened to Ben.

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Belton Ag said:

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Belton Ag said:

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Now, I think that Snoke found Kylo and the Knights of Ren after they split away from Luke, and I'm not sure Snoke and Luke ever had any interactions at all. In TLJ, I don't think Luke ever even mentions Snoke.

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I'm not sure how that's possible, but I'm pretty weak-minded on this stuff. Spell out your reasoning a bit more.

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Nowhere in the last two movies (I'm not talking about novels at all here) does it ever say that Snoke and Luke have ever met, spoken or interacted in any way whatsoever. I can't think of an instance where Luke Skywalker acknowledges he is even aware of Snoke (although I'm sure he is). We know obviously that Snoke is very aware of Luke, but not really the other way around.

Following that, I'm thinking that the first time Kylo encounters Snoke was after Kylo rebelled against Luke and destroyed his academy and left with some of the other students (whom I am assuming are the future Knights of Ren).

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It was Snoke that turned Ben Solo to the Dark Side, so their first interaction (likely not in person) was definitely before Ben destroys the temple.

Luke talks about Snoke when explaining to Rey what happened to Ben.

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OK, so my memory does suck. I've only seen TLJ 3 times so I'm not too versed in it. So what does Luke say about Snoke other than he turned Kylo?

I'd kind of like them to explore how Snoke finds Kylo. Was he drawn to him because he was Vader's grandson?

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Either way, the implication is that Snoke was at least somewhat well known to the Republic. Which raises the question about why he and the First Order weren't taken more seriously by the Republic.

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Snoke was known to Leia, but it's Leia that wasn't taken seriously by the NR. This is all expanded canon stuff, but there are a couple of reasons for this:

1. The discovery that Leia was Vader's daughter (and that she had been concealing that fact) ruined her credibility and wrecked her political career. This is the really big one.
2. It was known that there were former Imperials out beyond the influence of the NR doing their thing, but they were thought to not be a threat.
3. The First Order secretly had a lot of influence with some worlds in the NR, who still held Imperial sympathies. Remember that for most core worlds, the Empire was pretty awesome.

When Leia managed to show that these former Imperials were out there and a danger, she was pretty much dismissed, which is why she went and formed the Resistance, which had backing from a number of NR worlds.

We see Korr Sella in TFA when Hosnian Prime was destroyed, whom Leia had sent to ask for more assistance after the FO made its grand appearance.

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Well, there is no Republic capitol, anymore...and according to the last movie none of the systems were interested in helping the resistance.

But if JJ really wanted to cause an uproar, your scenario would be Leia asking for help from a planet of rich, male bankers.

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The Republic capitol rotated, but the government and fleet were destroyed when they were all in session at Hosnian Prime. Chandrilla is a good bet for where Leia will be, trying to get support.

I think a major plot point of the first act of Episode IX will be the Resistance leveraging Luke's victory at Crait into more support. That's cool because other than in Rebels, we've never really seen an alliance forming. Sort of a Star Wars version of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields/Siege of Gondor from LotR.

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Well, there is no Republic capitol, anymore...and according to the last movie none of the systems were interested in helping the resistance.

But if JJ really wanted to cause an uproar, your scenario would be Leia asking for help from a planet of rich, male bankers.

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The Republic capitol rotated, but the government and fleet were destroyed when they were all in session at Hosnian Prime. Chandrilla is a good bet for where Leia will be, trying to get support.

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Yes, I know that. If they were in session, who is left to run any gov on Chandrilla? After all, the Last Jedi starts with:

Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.

Wouldn't Chandrilla, or whatever fall back planet of the NR, be the first place he sends a fleet to gain control?

That was fast. Keri Russell now officially added to the press release...

No Benicio Del Toro??

I said earlier this week that I'd post one when official news hit (I just didn't think it'd be this soon), so here's the official Episode IX thread, complete with a nifty little cast graphic I made...

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/2964692/

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Well, there is no Republic capitol, anymore...and according to the last movie none of the systems were interested in helping the resistance.

But if JJ really wanted to cause an uproar, your scenario would be Leia asking for help from a planet of rich, male bankers.

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The Republic capitol rotated, but the government and fleet were destroyed when they were all in session at Hosnian Prime. Chandrilla is a good bet for where Leia will be, trying to get support.

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Yes, I know that. If they were in session, who is left to run any gov on Chandrilla? After all, the Last Jedi starts with:

Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.

Wouldn't Chandrilla, or whatever fall back planet of the NR, be the first place he sends a fleet to gain control?

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That's a good point.

We also don't really know which systems have the most potent planetary defense fleets. Chandrilla doesn't seem likely to have a very formidable one.

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Well, there is no Republic capitol, anymore...and according to the last movie none of the systems were interested in helping the resistance.

But if JJ really wanted to cause an uproar, your scenario would be Leia asking for help from a planet of rich, male bankers.

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The Republic capitol rotated, but the government and fleet were destroyed when they were all in session at Hosnian Prime. Chandrilla is a good bet for where Leia will be, trying to get support.

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Yes, I know that. If they were in session, who is left to run any gov on Chandrilla? After all, the Last Jedi starts with:

Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.

Wouldn't Chandrilla, or whatever fall back planet of the NR, be the first place he sends a fleet to gain control?

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That's a good point.

We also don't really know which systems have the most potent planetary defense fleets. Chandrilla doesn't seem likely to have a very formidable one.

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You people are NERDS

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Well, there is no Republic capitol, anymore...and according to the last movie none of the systems were interested in helping the resistance.

But if JJ really wanted to cause an uproar, your scenario would be Leia asking for help from a planet of rich, male bankers.

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The Republic capitol rotated, but the government and fleet were destroyed when they were all in session at Hosnian Prime. Chandrilla is a good bet for where Leia will be, trying to get support.

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Yes, I know that. If they were in session, who is left to run any gov on Chandrilla? After all, the Last Jedi starts with:

Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.

Wouldn't Chandrilla, or whatever fall back planet of the NR, be the first place he sends a fleet to gain control?

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That's a good point.

We also don't really know which systems have the most potent planetary defense fleets. Chandrilla doesn't seem likely to have a very formidable one.

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I'm glad you brought that up. Assuming some of the Republic worlds have their own defense fleets, why wouldn't they have immediately sent forces to help the resistance after the destruction of the Hosnian system? Are they just going to roll over when the FO shows up?

I can only speculate, but I imagine it was such a shock and the defeat of the NR so complete that most are hunkering down. One consistent fact about world/system governments in Star Wars is that they are incredibly meek, which is why the Rebel Alliance and Resistance were each needed in the first place.

I'll reiterate what I said pages and pages back (or maybe on the left Jedi thread), maybe this galaxy deserves to be ruled by a tyrannical dictator.

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I assume you mean Duel of the Fates?

Firstly, that just an awesome theme that should be in every movie.

But second, it's really not that odd. It was used in ROTS as well. (And quite well.)

Think of how the Force Theme was used throughout the entire OT, along with the Imperial March, Leia's Theme, Yoda's Theme, etc.

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Music in the actual movie is reused from TPM, like when they get to Geonosis.

Also, if you ever use the term "firstly" again, I'm going to have to kill you.

Yeah?

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Yeah?

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I think you mean only Jedi. Aren't there different force users all over the galaxy.

Why would there be?

It's been demonstrated that the Jedi and sith characters we knew from the first 2 trilogies are not the only force users and certainly not the only force sensitives. But i'm probably misunderstanding your comment.