bangobango said:
fig96 said:
bangobango said:
ChiliBeans said:
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Honestly, do you really think casual fans are that upset about Star Wars? Your average fan isn't off venting on social media and forums.
This is Star Wars, not Star Trek. The gap between casual fans and fans that care about the story isn't too wide. Early SW films created casual and passionate fans. Did TFA or TLJ produce new fans? Are stores having trouble keeping SW merchandise in stock? Are kids wearing SW shirts to school? Are people quoting great lines from the TLJ in conversations at work or school? I don't know the answers to all those questions, but I think it's far-fetched to act like hardcore lifelong SW junkies were the only ones disappointed. And I'm more on the casual end of the spectrum than a lot of posters on this thread.
It's ridiculous to think a "casual fan" (whatever that is since he won't define it) doesn't care about good storytelling and won't stop going to movies if they're not telling good stories. If anything, they'll "boycott" faster than a "hardcore" fan because they don't have the emotional attachment a hard core fan might have.
They didn't go to Solo b/c TLJ was crap. They won't go to Episode IX because TLJ was crap.
I'll take that bet. And I don't believe that's why casual fans didn't go to Solo, but I'm obviously not going to convince you of anything else.
And it's not that I "won't define it" but had to run to a meeting.
The casual fans are the ones that get out to see big event movies. They went to see TLJ because it was a big deal, they went to see Infinity War because it was a big deal and probably Black Panther because everyone was talking about it. That's why those movies make $600m plus.
Solo came soon after another Star Wars film and didn't have a ton of buzz despite being a really fun summer popcorn flick, and the casual fans didn't get out to see it.
I am not trying to be condescending here, so I apologize if it comes off that way in advance, but I don't think the casual movie-going public is just a bunch of lemmings that turn-out for "big event" movies regardless of the quality of the film or the series. If that's the case, then the DCEU wouldn't be the huge flop that it has been.
I think maybe you think that way now because of the impressive run Disney has had with many of their franchises, especially Marvel, but for every big movie that makes a lot of money, there is at least one more that doesn't and flops. Star Wars is heading that way and Solo is the canary in the coal mine.
Batman vs Superman made $330 million domestically ($166 million opening) and Justice League made $230 million ($93 million opening). Those movies should have made far more, but people absolutely went out to see them especially on the hyped up opening weekends.
Rotten Tomatoes and general internet buzz has fans more savvy than they used to be and gives any film a shorter window to be successful, but big tentpole films with good word of mouth still generally get solid to very good box office results. Big tentpole films with bad reviews tend to peter out (as in the DCEU's case).
While there may have been some people who didn't go see Solo due to their dissatisfaction with the franchise, I think it was a victim of bad timing and potentially a bit of Star Wars fatigue more than anything else.
People will still get out to see Episode IX, especially after 18 months without a Star Wars film and as the final chapter, but we've got a while to wait to find out.
