Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I honestly dread opening this thread these days.

Can we move on from TLJ for like... a month?

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Hey man, knock yourself out bringing up topics to speculate over for episode IX. We will all sit and wait patiently while you try to think of something to actually talk about.

SF2004 said:

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bangobango said:

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fig96 said:

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cbr said:

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oh and lol, how is it possible for any ******* to make a star wars franchise movie and get a 46% score at rotten tomatoes? LOL.

i'll tell you how, make a movie worse than phantom menace (55%), finish off two of the most iconic characters in movie history in an insulting, asinine way, and fill it full of PC bull**** agendas....

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Actually, it's largely because there was literally an organized campaign from some very sad individuals who wanted to torpedo the film. Which you'd know if you'd paid any attention at all.

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One guy making a facebook post that he "botted" the Last Jedi fan score does not prove anything. no matter how much Disney pushes that it does or the shill movie sites repeat Disney's talking point on it.

Star Wars fans, the vast majority, hated this movie. Just look at posts, youtube videos, conversations in person with fans, and the Solo bomb. It all points to the obvious if you don't choose to willfully ignore it.

This defense of TLJ is the most massive gas lighting for a movie I have ever seen. Episode IX, like Solo, will further expose what the majority of star wars fans are saying - that TLJ was a complete failure of a movie.

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Except that this all fueled by a false pedestal that the original trilogy is placed upon.

They aren't that great of movies. As has been said, they carried ground breaking special effects (that still hold up today), had cool toys to ask your parents for, and Darth Vader who had very little screen time in the first one. Other than that it is a standard science fiction heroes journey.

I love star wars because of when I started watching them, I am not sure I would LOVE star wars the way I do if I saw them as an adult. In fact I don't know many rapid fans that were adults back when they came out.

During my lifetime it wasn't cool to like star wars, then it was cool, and now you aren't a true star wars fan if you don't hate every second of any movie not named ANH or ESB.

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Except star Wars was released the same year as Annie Hall and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. T is idea that audiences were too stupid to understand what a good movie was back then is something people who try to apologize for bad subsequent movies trot out to make their pointm

It also displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what made the original star Wars beloved by the public. A failing you share in common with Rian Johnson.

Star Wars is collective mythology for American culture. And like any collective mythological hero journey, it should be simple and straight forward. That doesn't make it less or simple, if anything, the efforts since the original trilogy should highlight how hard it is to make a good star Wars movie.

Star Wars is not, for example, the medium where a neophyte film maker tries try to challenge his audience's concepts of right and wrong in an inartful and heavy handed way. It should be, rather, where you reaffirm the audiences' beliefs in what is good and right in their lives'.

I do think a capable and competent writer and director could successfully explore deeper concepts with this franchise, but Rian Johnson tried to go that way and showed that he is way too shallow and incompetent to explore those topics with his audience.

bangobango said:

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SF2004 said:

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bangobango said:

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fig96 said:

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cbr said:

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oh and lol, how is it possible for any ******* to make a star wars franchise movie and get a 46% score at rotten tomatoes? LOL.

i'll tell you how, make a movie worse than phantom menace (55%), finish off two of the most iconic characters in movie history in an insulting, asinine way, and fill it full of PC bull**** agendas....

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Actually, it's largely because there was literally an organized campaign from some very sad individuals who wanted to torpedo the film. Which you'd know if you'd paid any attention at all.

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One guy making a facebook post that he "botted" the Last Jedi fan score does not prove anything. no matter how much Disney pushes that it does or the shill movie sites repeat Disney's talking point on it.

Star Wars fans, the vast majority, hated this movie. Just look at posts, youtube videos, conversations in person with fans, and the Solo bomb. It all points to the obvious if you don't choose to willfully ignore it.

This defense of TLJ is the most massive gas lighting for a movie I have ever seen. Episode IX, like Solo, will further expose what the majority of star wars fans are saying - that TLJ was a complete failure of a movie.

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Except that this all fueled by a false pedestal that the original trilogy is placed upon.

They aren't that great of movies. As has been said, they carried ground breaking special effects (that still hold up today), had cool toys to ask your parents for, and Darth Vader who had very little screen time in the first one. Other than that it is a standard science fiction heroes journey.

I love star wars because of when I started watching them, I am not sure I would LOVE star wars the way I do if I saw them as an adult. In fact I don't know many rapid fans that were adults back when they came out.

During my lifetime it wasn't cool to like star wars, then it was cool, and now you aren't a true star wars fan if you don't hate every second of any movie not named ANH or ESB.

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Except star Wars was released the same year as Annie Hall and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. T is idea that audiences were too stupid to understand what a good movie was back then is something people who try to apologize for bad subsequent movies trot out to make their pointm

It also displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what made the original star Wars beloved by the public. A failing you share in common with Rian Johnson.

Star Wars is collective mythology for American culture. And like any collective mythological hero journey, it should be simple and straight forward. That doesn't make it less or simple, if anything, the efforts since the original trilogy should highlight how hard it is to make a good star Wars movie.

Star Wars is not, for example, the medium where a neophyte film maker tries try to challenge his audience's concepts of right and wrong in an inartful and heavy handed way. It should be, rather, where you reaffirm the audiences' beliefs in what is good and right in their lives'.

I do think a capable and competent writer and director could successfully explore deeper concepts with this franchise, but Rian Johnson tried to go that way and showed that he is way too shallow and incompetent to explore those topics with his audience.

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If they would have continued with your "simple and straight forward" approach you would have *****ed about them just doing "money grabs".

I completely understand what made star wars beloved by the public... I just don't try to have revisionist history about it.

bearamedic99 said:

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Another question, even before the SJWs of TLJ, why aren't there any evil female force users or even female villains worse than Phasma? A subconscious decision or just coincidence with limited villains?

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There are evil female force users in the Clone Wars cartoons. There are also female officers and troopers in the First Order but you're right, there aren't any major female villains in the movies.

Snoke with the overhead projector is my favorite.

2 things I don't get. Hating a character so much you personally attack the actor. Caring so much about people hating a character you played that you'd consider suicide.

Geez

That is complete crap. I get that his character was irritating but he absolutely did not deserve that kind of treatment. Nor does the gal who played an even worst character in The Last Jedi.

Droids vs. Gungans in TPM or the Canto Bight sequence in TLJ?

The loser is you.

At least the Gungans were an effective distraction, allowing Padme to get back into the palace. More importantly, it led to the Duel of the Fates.

At least Vader learned from his first mistake, and then kept his distance and threw the lightsaber this time around.