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I think had Palpatine successfully lured Luke to the Dark Side, he would have had Luke kill Vader much as he had Anakin kill Dooku. Or Vader, if he could have lured Luke to the Dark Side, would have used him to kill Palpatine.

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This. Vader proposes this to Luke in Empire, and the Emporer proposes it to Luke in Jedi.

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I think had Palpatine successfully lured Luke to the Dark Side, he would have had Luke kill Vader much as he had Anakin kill Dooku. Or Vader, if he could have lured Luke to the Dark Side, would have used him to kill Palpatine.

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No doubt. All the more reason that if there was a rule of two, Vader and Palpatine wouldn't have been openly discussing recruiting Luke.

They are attracted to power. There's no loyalty. That's the way of the Sith.

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They are attracted to power. There's no loyalty. That's the way of the Sith.

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Having a random Jedi go Rogue and start following the ways of an ancient sith order that was focused on enslavement of weaker races to gain power makes sense and is a compelling story that could go on indefinitely. Think a Shaolin monk getting frustrated and following the tenants of an legendary force centered Sparta because he sees it as the only way the bring order and his sense of justice to the universe.


A self centered guy on a power trip thSt takes a single apprentice that he knows will kill him, just doesn't make any sense. Someone like this would pick the most powerful apprentice they could find that was slightly less powerful than they were and keep a few secrets back. As a result each generation would become slightly weaker and less knowledgeable. Eventually making them no more than an annoying jack ass causing trouble.

In some of the dialogue they really make it sound design like Sith is just the empire. That's why they keep calling a REAL Sith a Dark Jedi.

But I'm not current on what or what is not canon

is the lego star wars series worth watching?

The whole idea was to teach the apprentice everything the master knew, not to hold back any knowledge. The ultimate goal was destruction of the Jedi and control of the galaxy. That isn't accomplished by by picking a weak apprentice and withholding knowledge.

Doesn't appear to be a fan

I find that guy's writing style quite annoying. Couldn't finish the article.

Loved TFA, but he's not wrong. The prequels were a bit more innovative and inventive, visually speaking. I think that's what he's talking about.

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Loved TFA, but he's not wrong. The prequels were a bit more innovative and inventive, visually speaking. I think that's what he's talking about.

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And to accomplish that visual innovation, they filmed the whole movie in front of a tiny green screen, leading to the now-famous "sit on a couch" exposition scenes that RLM highlighted.

A lot of the CGI looks dated now, but those movies did more to push the technology forward than most movies of its era, like LOTR and Avatar did.

TFA was more of a throwback to the old days of practical effects and real locations. (Which I enjoyed as well.)

That is the main thing Cameron is saying. He's the kind of guy who puts visuals ahead of story, similarly to how people see Lucas as well. Most people really liked TFA, but it will never be mentioned as a particularly influential movie in the world of visual effects like say, Phantom Menace, The Matrix, LOTR, Avatar, etc.

And I can agree with most people that called the movie "safe". But I am hoping (and expecting) that Rian Johnson will take the saga in an exciting/dark/unexpected direction, like Empire did.

FYI - Plastic Galaxy is a pretty good documentary about the original toys. Not great but fun if you loved the toys as a kid.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3648510/

It is on amazon prime. Not sure about netflix

Also, I'm just waiting for someone to bring up these comments to Abrams in an interview and have him respond with a snarky Unobtainium comment

I am sorry, but what? TFA was fantastic visually. The awards back me up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens

You completely missed my point.

I agree with all that. Like I said, Cameron is a visuals over storytelling kind of guy. I didn't say Abrams was wrong to go the route he did.

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Their balance of CGI, practical, and immersing the viewer in to the world was spot on. Seems like it could influence movies to not go over the top CGI.

Again, completely arguing another point.

I think TFA looked fantastic.

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Again, completely arguing another point.

I think TFA looked fantastic.

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You're saying it isn't as influential. I say it is. Seems pretty simple.

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Again, completely arguing another point.

I think TFA looked fantastic.

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You're saying it isn't as influential. I say it is. Seems pretty simple.

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What did it influence? It won some awards, but there wasn't anything especially groundbreaking with their VFX.

Correction. Will be influential.

It's not going to be the game changer that many other films have been. And that's not a knock on TFA, it's just facts. Not sure why you feel the need to argue otherwise to make some kind of point.

Fact is, TPM and the other movies I've mentioned were pushing the limits of what was possible at the time. TFA really didn't do anything new. (Which was a conscious decision by Abrams.) And granted, it's much tougher to innovate now that basically nothing is impossible to do.

So he retroactively decided at the end of Jedi. Still ridiculous and lame.

I feel like you're kind of reaching here to try to make a point.

It's possible that TFA will have some influence on future scifi films, but that isn't what the film was about and that's fine. It did what it did very well.

I'm not sure which part you're taking exception too.

If it's the idea that TFA is influential, I don't know that it WILL be influential, but since I feel like practical effects make for better, realer movies, I hope it's part of a trend. I think my first post was fairly ambivalent on whether it is influential.


And if your complaint is that I am splitting hairs... yeah, probably.

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So he retroactively decided at the end of Jedi. Still ridiculous and lame.

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Here's Yoda from Empire. His cloak and tunic are basically the same. So now will it be "well Lucas decided AFTER the original," that makes it lame for Jedi to have dressed the same?





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Also, I was wrong about my previous statement on Uncle Owen dressing the same as Obi-Wan. It's similar, but Obi-Wan's is more robe and Owen's is more shirt.

10 days till Celebration.

IMO, this is what we're most likely to get:

• New trailer for Rogue One (Vader appearance for sure)
• Description and full title of the Han solo movie, maybe some concept art, and an appearance by Alden Ehrenreich
• Title for Episode VIII, appearance by Mark, Daisy, and John Boyega, and possibly a teaser poster. (Though it still seems early for that.)
• Surprise announcement of an Obi-Wan trilogy with an appearance by Ewan McGregor

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I hope so. Making the Vader news official before Celebration definitely served a purpose.

The closing ceremony is 3:00 - 4:30 on Sunday in London, so happy Sunday morning to all of us.