The crowd-sourcing tech is amazing, frankly. Late last year there was a Beechcraft Bonanza crash in rural Idaho during some bad weather. The amount of snow present combined with the continuing snow in the days afterwards made conventional S&R pretty much impossible. A similar crowd-sourcing effort helped them find the wreckage, and without it they probably would not have been found until the snow melted AND someone hiked nearby.

I wonder if we'll ever get the full story on this mystery. I bet there is a LOT we haven't heard from the officials yet.

People give reddit a lot of **** but they do get stuff done from time to time

Didn't realize when I was reading the reddit thread exactly where that location was. It's the "last point of Radar contact".

So, a guy finds what looks like a plane under the water at the last point of radar contact. That's a joke right? I mean, you can't tell me they didn't actually search that area lol.

Check out the picture. I overlayed the map they released about the satellite ping with a map of the area. Check out how red "last point of contact" and the red marker that the guy found line up.

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anyone remember reddit hunting the boston marathon bombers?

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yes, it was glorious in it's wrongness.

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Wait, so the bomber wasn't on this plane?

Here's a new theory. The plane flew within the radar signature of another 777, until it was beyond the detection of radar in India. It then proceeded to land in Turkmenistan or somewhere else north of India.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68

holy cow

^^^^What's the likelihood of this new proposed theory? ^^^

flight simulator

read on Drudge that Israel is preparing for a strike against this rogue plane, just in case...

this keeps getting stranger and stranger.

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Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality - illegal in Malaysia - only hours before flight MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.

And in a new twist, it emerged that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family's home the day before the plane's disappearance

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3248001

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I seriously doubt it was the older guy. If he did it based on his supposed motivations, then he only had a few hours to plan this and land in a random country. No way this kinda guy does that half-cocked.

Most likely so far is
- Hijack and struggle. The older pilot, with all his simulator knowledge, instinctively jets up to 45,000 ft to kick someone out of the cockpit.
- Plane stalls, someone recovers at 20k
- The rest happens

If one pilot was involved, I'd put my money on the young guy. He was supposedly the last to speak.

...how does ascending to 45,000 ft kick someone out of the cockpit? By stalling it? I still don't really understand how a stall would remove someone from the cockpit.

Even if he wanted to stall the plane, there are easier ways to do that.

I won't say that's not what happened, but to say it's most likely seems off.

That's a kick-ass simulator...

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then he only had a few hours to plan this and land in a random country. No way this kinda guy does that half-cocked.

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pilots tend to be meticulous planners (at least i am). IF he did this he'd probably gameplanned a number of scenarios for many months and practiced them in his simulator

however, we're now 10+ days after the event? i'd say its most likely that the plane is at the bottom of an ocean or into the side of a mountain

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...how does ascending to 45,000 ft kick someone out of the cockpit? By stalling it? I still don't really understand how a stall would remove someone from the cockpit.

Even if he wanted to stall the plane, there are easier ways to do that.

I won't say that's not what happened, but to say it's most likely seems off.

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I guess that depends on the able you could take to get up there. A guy without a seatbelt is going to be in for a heck of an uphill battle after 40-45 degrees.

I don't know jack about flying, so I'm not going to pretend to know what is or isn't possible in that situation.

I guess a steep ascent could make it more difficult for a potential hijacker depending on where they were.

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pilots tend to be meticulous planners (at least i am). IF he did this he'd probably gameplanned a number of scenarios for many months and practiced them in his simulator

however, we're now 10+ days after the event? i'd say its most likely that the plane is at the bottom of an ocean or into the side of a mountain

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But then the question is still, why? If it's politics then he only has a few hours. Also, why doesn't he say anything or make demands?

If religious, neither of these guys have been shown to have extremist ties.

I haven't seen much on the young guy. The older guy does charity work and has 3 kids and makes YouTube videos about home maintenance. He's literally like every pilot I've met.

If the younger guy has no real family, which would be likely based on the party boy stories, then he would better fit the profile of someone who would be willing to leave everything behind for the simplest motivator of all - money.

Imagine this thing is really well planned and involves the cooperation of one of the two pilots. Offer this young guy, whatever, 5 million dollars to hijack the plane with you and disappear. Now you put two hijackers on the plane (the Iranian passport guys) and you've got a pilot who knows the plane and area well willing to fly the thing, and now you've got a team that could make it happen with minimal weaponry, if any.

The young pilot was known to invite women from the back into the cockpit to hang out. One story has him bringing the girls up, and calling them to party in the city. I doubt that the copilot opening the cockpit door to bring someone in would be foreign to the older guy, until he sees it's two older Iranians. Then he jacks the plane up to 45k to kick them out the doorway, gets killed, plane stalls, co-pilot recovers.

All of that, as nutso as it seems, makes way more sense to me than - 53 year old father of 3 with 18,000 hours and 30 years as a pilot - suddenly snaps and decides to kill himself in the middle of the ocean, and not make any demands at all.

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It's possible to make somebody lose balance if the pilot punched the throttle and pulled back on the nose hard/fast enough.

I don't think that's likely though.

The drop in elevation and then ascent gives credence to subversive maneuvers.

1. Go dark
2. Reduce elevation to avoid notice/contact with plane you want to tail. (believe the last known radar ping had the plane at a lower altitude - could be wrong of course)
3. Gain elevation at predetermined way-point based on historical flight patterns & timing of the SIA68 flight.

Those planes make the same flights over and over again, and it really isn't hard to review flight patterns if you're so inclined and have the means to do so... a pilot would have the means.

My grandfather trained on one of the old nav trainers in which he was placed in a crude, yet accurate simulator. Was given a heading, airspeed, etc. Then given 4 heading changes (all right turns) after specific travel times, and was expected to end up back on his original flight heading. Mind you this was back in the early-mid 40's and not many pilots nailed that exercise, but it is possible, and would be even easier today.

4. Your prototypical airline pilot isn't trained on how to tail another aircraft. But if you're going for broke and have been planning this for a while... why not actually give it a try?

Somebody (or bodies) on that plane were astute enough to turn off all major comms devices. Astute enough anyhow to buy them what has now become 10 days of a massive, yet disjointed, search effort.

Is it likely? Who knows... but it's an interesting theory.

Maybe the goal isn't to use it as a bomb. But instead, they plan on using it to run an airline business to help get them some seed money. If they crash that thing, it's gone. But if they're selling airline tickets to people, that thing could pay for suicide vests for decades.

Al Queda in Pakistan has said they "wish they could accomplish something like this"...so they aren't even taking claim of it.

If the rogue pilot offed the other, then depressurized the cabin while keeping the cockpit pressurized (I think this is possible on the 777), how long would it take fatal hypoxia to set in for the passengers as he climbed to 45,000 ft?

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If the rogue pilot offed the other, then depressurized the cabin while keeping the cockpit pressurized (I think this is possible on the 777), how long would it take fatal hypoxia to set in for the passengers as he climbed to 45,000 ft?

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A pilot on fox today said, to guarantee it, 15 minutes.

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If the rogue pilot offed the other, then depressurized the cabin while keeping the cockpit pressurized (I think this is possible on the 777), how long would it take fatal hypoxia to set in for the passengers as he climbed to 45,000 ft?

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A pilot on fox today said, to guarantee it, 15 minutes.

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I can't think of any other reason for the plane to immediately climb to 45,000 ft.

unless it was avoiding a pursuer with a maximum altitude of 40K feet?

/tinfoilhat

don't the oxygen masks automatically drop for passengers? no override? and even if they do, how much o2 is available?

The passenger oxygen masks automatically deploy at 13,500'-14,000' cabin altitude. The oxygen only flows for 12-15 minutes.

Any word from Liam Neeson?


Damn you

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Is that Leslie's brother?

ah, thanks.