Do you all know people who have died of COVID or the vaccine?

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The unvaccinated being a scape-goat because of our healthcare's incompetency is pure BS. Are you equally pissed at smokers, alcoholics, and diabetics? I have a hard time believing administrators and politicians didnt have some kind of protocol in place for a pandemic. If they did, then an average person could have devised a better plan. Having something like 1500 beds for a 7 million person population in the Houston area is ridiculous. Cut the red tape and build more rooms and incentivize nursing degrees instead of some useless degree.
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J_Daddy05 said:

Individuals even let their interpretation of supposed anecdotal stories be skewed by any preconceived opinions of the virus or vaccines, you can sense it on many posts already in this thread. It doesn't change the actual science at all.

We know the overwhelming percentage of people severely impacted by COVID have documentable conditions making them high risk, despite any claims to know that one 35yo runner in great shape who died. This doesn't mean 500lbs+ or 80+ as implied in the OP, the threshold is much lower than that. There's probably some on here who can establish the actual, objective clinical thresholds the make you high risk. We also know the vaccine has proven safe to date, despite claims to know that one person who died a day or a week after getting the shot.

My own anecdotal stories tend to support the statistics, 3 folks who have died from/with COVID and at least one other hospitalization, all fit one of the high risk categories. I don't know anyone who has suffered severe ill effects from the vaccine (aside from the somewhat "known" minor initial reactions).

I don't really understand the polarization either except like every other issue that becomes politicized everyone has to draw a line in the sand and choose a side. I for one believe if you're even borderline in any high risk categories you should strongly consider getting the vaccine, I actually think you SHOULD but still an individual choice/risk assessment. I really don't get the massive push to get generally healthy people vaccinated against a disease that poses little to no risk for them, and I certainly don't understand the very real attempt to demonize those people. Even pre-covid the overweight and generally unhealthy put a strain on our healthcare system, even moreso now. Yet we "celebrate" those folks and fight against "fat shaming". It's a crazy world.
This cannot be stressed enough. Heck, I know those who are attacked for chronicling their fat loss journeys b/c they were not "accepting" their bodies the way they were and were setting a "bad example" for younger women. WHAT?!?!? Seriously. Sure, we don't need to bully or shun the overweight as in some cases, those who are overweight really do have trouble keeping weight off. There are many different body types out there. Everyone of those who are overweight can lose much of that weight and be healthy, just like many lean folks are really skinny fat or just skinny with poor health habits and choices that could still effect them negatively. Maybe one person does face a much harder journey to lose the excess BF, but they still can and it's still a choice not to actually try to do it. To make matters worse, there are so many fad diets aimed at these folks and they are so desperate that they try them. One woman I know fasted for a month. A month! Lemon juice and salt for the most part. Claimed to not eat anything. Yes, she lost some weight, but at what cost? a lot of that was muscle mass and water. My advice is to live an athlete's lifestyle, especially if you have a tendency to gain and keep weight on. It just works. But the reality is many don't want to start lifting weights, doing cardio and working out more intensely and eating mainly to fuel all of that. Seems simple but isn't for every one, which I get. But it is a lot better than trying to maintain a fad diet. Just becoming aware of one's macros and controlling those will have a massive effect on BF %. And that is honestly how physique athletes control their weight. It's pretty simple and totally dependent of how their bodies are effected by those macros. Low carb works for some, high carb for others, more fat or less, more protein or less and it's just experimentation and keeping a log if one needs to until they find the right formula for the goal that they are shooting for.

I also agree. I do not understand the push back to taking the vaccine. Safe, effective and free.
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The unvaccinated being a scape-goat because of our healthcare's incompetency is pure BS. Are you equally pissed at smokers, alcoholics, and diabetics? I have a hard time believing administrators and politicians didnt have some kind of protocol in place for a pandemic. If they did, then an average person could have devised a better plan. Having something like 1500 beds for a 7 million person population in the Houston area is ridiculous. Cut the red tape and build more rooms and incentivize nursing degrees instead of some useless degree.

They are not going to over build hospitals and throw away money for a world wide pandemic that may or may not happen.

The problem with this particular surge is that a large % of our population decided for whatever reason to not take advantage of a free, safe and effective vaccine.

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texan12 said:

The unvaccinated being a scape-goat because of our healthcare's incompetency is pure BS. Are you equally pissed at smokers, alcoholics, and diabetics? I have a hard time believing administrators and politicians didnt have some kind of protocol in place for a pandemic. If they did, then an average person could have devised a better plan. Having something like 1500 beds for a 7 million person population in the Houston area is ridiculous. Cut the red tape and build more rooms and incentivize nursing degrees instead of some useless degree.
Yes, I am mad that after all of this, there has been very little public information or education on getting healthier and living a healthy lifestyle. The drive thru line at whataburger and chick fil a is as long as its always been and seems to be getting longer.

If they had a protocol for a pandemic, it has clearly failed as the system keeps getting stressed wave after wave.

I don't know how many beds are needed per 100k? of population but my guess would be that prior to covid the system was rarely, if at all stressed like it is today (this is pure speculation but i don't recall hearing about it).

Is it red tape keeping rooms low or is there not a financial driver for additional rooms?
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Capitol Ag said:


I'll go a step further. Studies are showing that moderate to intense training shows a drastic increase in immunity response to Covid and any other illness, and muscle cells may, per another study (which I'd need to find the link for), actually store T Cells and the more muscle cells you have, ie the more mass you have, the more T cells can be stored.



Now, I am more of a strength guy vs CV health as I support the notion that strength is a better detirmenant of health than CV fitness alone. But, as the gif and memes go:



CV helps your conditioning and strength helps you be able to actually easily get up out of bed, chairs and the couch when you are in your 70's and above. While the strength and mass gains the 20-50 year old set can gain won't be as noticeable for the 70+ trainee. Their ability to function better than an out of shape typical 30 year old is noticed and studied. ANd that is so much more important. I had one strength coach say it like this: "If you squatted 400 or 500 lbs in your 30's or 40's, you may only be able to squat 135 in your 80's if you continue to train between that time frame. While on the surface the loss of strength like that might seem discouraging. But think about this! You are 80+ years old squatting 135 regularly while most average 30 something Americans can't really do that! And further, most 70+ year olds are no where near that strong and capable. So being strong at an elderly age is much MORE important than gym bro gains in your 20's." I know for sure I will never stop training. My goals are to be over 225 in squat and 250 in deadlifts at 85, God willing I am still around. And I expect to be.

Also, given the results of the studies, it makes me question the general notion of the minimal requirements for exercise stated by the Dept of Health and Human Services. They state: for general health adults should aim for 150 to 300 minutes of moderate physical activity or 75 to 150 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic physical activity each week.. I say that absolutely needs to be ramped up with strength training added and more intensity allotted for.

I don't lift anymore. It's simply not what's best for me. I do pushups, crunches, body-weight squats, and maybe some body-weight Turkish get-ups but besides swimming I bought a rowing machine earlier this year and use it. And a good amount of stretching.

I don't think I could start lifting again and not want to lift heavy and my joints don't need that stress anymore since I'm not a competitive athlete anymore. There's no chance I could do it today but my all-time best bench was 485, squat was 600, and power-clean 375. At one time I did 32 reps of 225 on bench. Now I'm a broke-down, has-been, ex-jock.
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Sounds like you're in a very similar spot as me. Adding more bodyweight stuff to the rotation. I row at least twice a week, have added a heavy bag work out or two each week as well (Nate bower fitness is a great youtube channel for this). Good release in lieu of a weight lifting session, probably a little easier on the joints too.

Been up and down with my fitness at times, personal positive for me about this whole thing has been encouragement to get back in the gym and lose the dad bod, though still a work in progress.
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i know 3 people who passed away from covid:

female - 64 - fantastic health - vaccinated (astrazeneca) - delta
male - 49 - fantastic health - unvaccinated - delta
male - 75 - heart disease and overweight - unvaccinated - wuhan (early in the pandemic)
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TarponChaser said:

Capitol Ag said:


I'll go a step further. Studies are showing that moderate to intense training shows a drastic increase in immunity response to Covid and any other illness, and muscle cells may, per another study (which I'd need to find the link for), actually store T Cells and the more muscle cells you have, ie the more mass you have, the more T cells can be stored.



Now, I am more of a strength guy vs CV health as I support the notion that strength is a better detirmenant of health than CV fitness alone. But, as the gif and memes go:



CV helps your conditioning and strength helps you be able to actually easily get up out of bed, chairs and the couch when you are in your 70's and above. While the strength and mass gains the 20-50 year old set can gain won't be as noticeable for the 70+ trainee. Their ability to function better than an out of shape typical 30 year old is noticed and studied. ANd that is so much more important. I had one strength coach say it like this: "If you squatted 400 or 500 lbs in your 30's or 40's, you may only be able to squat 135 in your 80's if you continue to train between that time frame. While on the surface the loss of strength like that might seem discouraging. But think about this! You are 80+ years old squatting 135 regularly while most average 30 something Americans can't really do that! And further, most 70+ year olds are no where near that strong and capable. So being strong at an elderly age is much MORE important than gym bro gains in your 20's." I know for sure I will never stop training. My goals are to be over 225 in squat and 250 in deadlifts at 85, God willing I am still around. And I expect to be.

Also, given the results of the studies, it makes me question the general notion of the minimal requirements for exercise stated by the Dept of Health and Human Services. They state: for general health adults should aim for 150 to 300 minutes of moderate physical activity or 75 to 150 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic physical activity each week.. I say that absolutely needs to be ramped up with strength training added and more intensity allotted for.

I don't lift anymore. It's simply not what's best for me. I do pushups, crunches, body-weight squats, and maybe some body-weight Turkish get-ups but besides swimming I bought a rowing machine earlier this year and use it. And a good amount of stretching.

I don't think I could start lifting again and not want to lift heavy and my joints don't need that stress anymore since I'm not a competitive athlete anymore. There's no chance I could do it today but my all-time best bench was 485, squat was 600, and power-clean 375. At one time I did 32 reps of 225 on bench. Now I'm a broke-down, has-been, ex-jock.
Unless you have a medical condition regarding your joints, you are safe IF you learn to lift correctly from a very knowledgeable strength coach (ie not the cute college student at the local gym-I mean, I get why that would be fun and all so don't get me wrong lol) that knows his or her stuff and has experience. You have the background and those number are freaking awesome. But, you can get a lot out of weight lifting without ever going back to those #s and I'd argue that things like body building/hypertrophy/slightly lighter strength training would be much safer and better for you. If you started some strength work, it wouldn't hurt you at all as long as your goals aren't competitive and more to compliment the other things you're currently doing. Adding a DB to your BW squats for instance to incorporate some progressive overload into your leg training. Even a front barbell squat. Here's the thing. We don't "lose" strength once you have it. Now, that doesn't mean that you could go to the local barbell club and load 600 on the bar and just crank them out like you used to. No, you'd have to work back up. BUT, your muscle cell nuclei increased greatly during all of that training you did. They do not go away! Which is why you'd be "back" quicker than you think and why your working with a fantastic base already. And given this, what you are doing now has a bit of a different effect on your body than on, say, a novice swimmer or exerciser. Plus, all of the things you mentioned are more than "moderate" exercise. Not probably the way you do them. B/c you're an athlete with muscle development and memory already loaded in. Turkish get ups? There are people reading this who have no clue what those are. They are not a desert from the middle east. That's intense and very hard stuff. ANd I guarantee you I ain't doing a mile swim in your time. Again, instense stuff.
So basically, while you do not need to be afraid to incorporate weights back into you routine, you keep doing what you're doing.

My issues are with the medical community finding the absolute bare minimum "requirements" for people when the real push should be to take everyone from the minimum to a level that truly challenges them. It's relative to everyone. But it's shocking how much doctors don't know about exercise physiology and training principles when exercise is such important preventative medicine!
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PJYoung said:

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The unvaccinated being a scape-goat because of our healthcare's incompetency is pure BS. Are you equally pissed at smokers, alcoholics, and diabetics? I have a hard time believing administrators and politicians didnt have some kind of protocol in place for a pandemic. If they did, then an average person could have devised a better plan. Having something like 1500 beds for a 7 million person population in the Houston area is ridiculous. Cut the red tape and build more rooms and incentivize nursing degrees instead of some useless degree.

They are not going to over build hospitals and throw away money for a world wide pandemic that may or may not happen.

The problem with this particular surge is that a large % of our population decided for whatever reason to not take advantage of a free, safe and effective vaccine.




Because an even larger percentage is not effected by the virus, vaccinated or not.
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8 knee surgeries, bone-on-bone & arthritis in both knees. 2 herniated discs in my lower back (L4/L5 & L5/S1), and a couple shoulder scopes.
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JesusQuintana said:

texan12 said:

The unvaccinated being a scape-goat because of our healthcare's incompetency is pure BS. Are you equally pissed at smokers, alcoholics, and diabetics? I have a hard time believing administrators and politicians didnt have some kind of protocol in place for a pandemic. If they did, then an average person could have devised a better plan. Having something like 1500 beds for a 7 million person population in the Houston area is ridiculous. Cut the red tape and build more rooms and incentivize nursing degrees instead of some useless degree.
Yes, I am mad that after all of this, there has been very little public information or education on getting healthier and living a healthy lifestyle. The drive thru line at whataburger and chick fil a is as long as its always been and seems to be getting longer.

If they had a protocol for a pandemic, it has clearly failed as the system keeps getting stressed wave after wave.

I don't know how many beds are needed per 100k? of population but my guess would be that prior to covid the system was rarely, if at all stressed like it is today (this is pure speculation but i don't recall hearing about it).

Is it red tape keeping rooms low or is there not a financial driver for additional rooms?


It isnt rare at all that a hospital in near capacity. The difference being it was never reported beforehand. Money is a big reason for that, but people are cool with the reactionary approach of a tax payer funded vaccine when it should have been raises for doctors and nurses and more temporary shelters.
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I know 3 people who have died. All over 75 years of age. They were pretty healthy when they got covid. Two died before the vaccines came out. One died last month and was unvaccinated.
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If not, what needs to be done to ensure folks can get a high level of care?
Don't fire critically needed healthcare workers. Might be a drop in the bucket but there are those fired for refusing the vaccine.
And there are those quitting just plain over worked and becoming sick and tired of dealing with Covid in people who opt out of a vaccine that could return their jobs to a pre covid level of stress. It's not a one way proposition.
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bay fan said:

88planoAg said:

JesusQuintana said:


If not, what needs to be done to ensure folks can get a high level of care?
Don't fire critically needed healthcare workers. Might be a drop in the bucket but there are those fired for refusing the vaccine.
And there are those quitting just plain over worked and becoming sick and tired of dealing with Covid in people who opt out of a vaccine that could return their jobs to a pre covid level of stress. It's not a one way proposition.
Yes I readily acknowledge the beat down. Given that there is such a critical need, it is amazing that they are willing to fire people en masse.
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88planoAg said:

bay fan said:

88planoAg said:

JesusQuintana said:


If not, what needs to be done to ensure folks can get a high level of care?
Don't fire critically needed healthcare workers. Might be a drop in the bucket but there are those fired for refusing the vaccine.
And there are those quitting just plain over worked and becoming sick and tired of dealing with Covid in people who opt out of a vaccine that could return their jobs to a pre covid level of stress. It's not a one way proposition.
Yes I readily acknowledge the beat down. Given that there is such a critical need, it is amazing that they are willing to fire people en masse.
I suspect those administrators know the losses of health care workers over time if this keeps up will be far greater.
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I know one who has died from Covid. He was 75 yoa, I believe.
Another is clinging to life right now in a hospital in Houston and I doubt he lives. His care, per his wife, has not been what it should be. He was not vaccinated, also. So he has a double whammy.
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Too many. Two close friends, lots of parents and relatives of friends. Now we can add my cousin to the list
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How was the second **** of Moderna after he got sick on the first one. I took my first shot Friday been sick Saturday thru today. Feeling a little better now. Said the reason is already had covid but never tested positive. Worried about getting the second shot.
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The first moderna shot kicked my ass. My week long COVID experience was a mild head cold, but I had some long haul symptoms (Prolonged cough, joint aches, fatigue, tinnitus). The first shot felt like my house fell on my body multiple times. However most of my long haul symptoms went away (except for the tinnitus). The second shot was better, but by no means, was it a pleasant experience. I still was fatigued for a day, and slept most of the next day. I had a headache and just felt like ***** All I can say was it was better than the first. My wife thinks the second shot effects were were less than the first, she does not have any real long haul symptoms (aside from her savory taste profile is still off).
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Thank you! I just really want to know if it is even worth it! I have been more sick this week than I have been in 3 years! Coughing is ridiculous.
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My cousin 46 fully vaccinated (moderna), significantly over weight, died from covid 5 weeks after his 2nd shot. Had never gotten covid before being vaccinated.

One of my gf's friends, 42, in very good health, no previous conditions, never had covid, has developed an autoimmune disorder, 4 months after her 2nd shot (pfizer).

I'm definitely not anti-vax, hell I was in the military and there is no telling what all I have been vaccinated for! But I'm not gonna lie I'm a little reluctant to get the vaccine based off of what I have personally seen happen around me. I know thats only 2 ppl and You can call me whatever you want but as much as I want to protect others I also have to make sure that I'm still here and have a good quality of life as well. I just want to wait and see how things go a little longer before I go ahead and get the vaccines.
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jstarr2207 said:

My cousin 46 fully vaccinated (moderna), significantly over weight, died from covid 5 weeks after his 2nd shot. Had never gotten covid before being vaccinated.

One of my gf's friends, 42, in very good health, no previous conditions, never had covid, has developed an autoimmune disorder, 4 months after her 2nd shot (pfizer).

I'm definitely not anti-vax, hell I was in the military and there is no telling what all I have been vaccinated for! But I'm not gonna lie I'm a little reluctant to get the vaccine based off of what I have personally seen happen around me. I know thats only 2 ppl and You can call me whatever you want but as much as I want to protect others I also have to make sure that I'm still here and have a good quality of life as well. I just want to wait and see how things go a little longer before I go ahead and get the vaccines.



I'm not gonna call you anything but I will say thank you for ur service! If you have concerns about the vaccine, I would suggest having a discussion with your physician before doing anything. While you are there, ask if he can test ur vitamin d levels as mine were low and I had no idea. Good luck with whatever path u choose!
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Thanks, I actually did have blood work done recently and my vitamin D levels were low but I've been supplementing ever since per her instructions. Also talked to her last year after covid had really started being talked about, concerning what I considered was a severe case of sinusitis (like I get occasionally) back in Jan 2020 before we really heard anything about covid and after discussing all of the symptoms I had, she's convinced I had covid. Idk, but If so, I've been lucky enough to not have it since, thankfully!
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jstarr2207 said:

Thanks, I actually did have blood work done recently and my vitamin D levels were low but I've been supplementing ever since per her instructions. Also talked to her last year after covid had really started being talked about, concerning what I considered was a severe case of sinusitis (like I get occasionally) back in Jan 2020 before we really heard anything about covid and after discussing all of the symptoms I had, she's convinced I had covid. Idk, but If so, I've been lucky enough to not have it since, thankfully!
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Uncle, unhealthy; was in rehab home to help with losing a leg; facility in Katy put a covid patient in his room. They both died from covid.

Stepmother's brother and his wife; both older both died from Covid.

Two co-workers; one with health issues, one on the heavy side; both died.

Wife, first moderna vaccine caused an allergic reaction, I understand it is from an ingredient that helps to carry the actual vaccine. Caused her lymph nodes on right side of body, she received the shot in left arm, to swell up to lemon sizes knots. Fatigue and other cold like symptoms lasted for 3 weeks even with regular benadryal and prednisone treatment. Doctor told her before 2nd shot to basically take a handful of benadryal before hand and gave her an epinephrine shot to take just incase. She passed on getting the 2nd moderna. Need to look into if/when she can try a different vaccine that might have a different carrying agent that will not cause the same reaction.

I do not know anyone that has died from the vaccine even though my mother says it is going to happen soon because some 'doctor' of education from Oxford, OH says we are all ****ed for getting it.
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In my family and within my acquaintances and business colleagues And friendships I know of 17 folks who have died from Covid. Of those 4 were old (70-80) and had other health issues, But we're still living life, 4 were over 40 but relatively healthy,
1 was 36 and albeit about 20lbs overweight, had no known health issues. The others were 50-68 and and I don't know all the details. I was basically called a liar on another forum for stating the truth with no known BS of what I shared. I know of no one in that same circle of life that died or got seriously sick from having the vaccine.
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2 friends fathers, neither obese, but both in their late 50s died of pneumonia complications after long hospital stays due to the virus.
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I know at least four people who died from covid. They all had comorbidities, but none of them were all that near death before getting covid. It was the covid got them, not the comorbidities.

Of people I know, the worse reaction to the vaccine was a sore arm.
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TarponChaser said:

8 knee surgeries, bone-on-bone & arthritis in both knees. 2 herniated discs in my lower back (L4/L5 & L5/S1), and a couple shoulder scopes.
Answers to the name Lucky. Seriously though, dang man! I'd say you definitely have "medical reasons" no doubt! Again, everything you are doing is working and I'd say would qualify as intense training.
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Know no one who has died or been on a vent.

A few cases of note:

55ish year old man. MORBIDLY obese, diabetic, other ailments. Daily dose of a handful of prescription drugs. Flu like symptoms, back to work with no lingering issues.

68 year old man, my dad. 3 heart attacks between 55-58. Bad cold. No lingering issues.

40 year old woman, my wife. Mild cold for a week, did not transmit virus to me or kids.

60ish year old man. Black, overweight, diabetic. Hit him hard for about 2 weeks, out of work for 3.5 weeks. No lingering issues.
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Capitol Ag said:

TarponChaser said:

8 knee surgeries, bone-on-bone & arthritis in both knees. 2 herniated discs in my lower back (L4/L5 & L5/S1), and a couple shoulder scopes.
Answers to the name Lucky. Seriously though, dang man! I'd say you definitely have "medical reasons" no doubt! Again, everything you are doing is working and I'd say would qualify as intense training.
Somebody once said that "football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport" and they were right. Then when the docs said I couldn't play football anymore I tried to play rugby. And while I didn't compete I trained in an MMA gym for a while where I was a sparring partner with guys trying to become professional fighters- I got my ass kicked a lot. Especially doing the Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
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texan12 said:

Capitol Ag said:

A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?


Except we do not need more policies and mandates as you're very unlikely to even end up in the hospital or die without the vaccine. This is the biggest misconception about the virus and is eaten up by those who have been working from home or who are older.

I would agree that you're unlikely to end up hospitalized if you get Covid and are unvaccinated but I would also counter that of those that do end up hospitalized from Covid are overwhelmingly unvaccinated and in many hospitals they are running out of room. I would be really pissed if a lived one of mine was in a wreck for instance and they couldn't get them in a room because a bunch of people chose not to get vaccinated based on bad misinformation. I don't want mandates either but I do wish some of the anti vax people would be more reasonable also. Pfizer just got full FDA approval so some were using that as an excuse to not get it, let's see if they change their tune.
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Irwin M. Fletcher said:

texan12 said:

Capitol Ag said:

A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?


Except we do not need more policies and mandates as you're very unlikely to even end up in the hospital or die without the vaccine. This is the biggest misconception about the virus and is eaten up by those who have been working from home or who are older.

I would agree that you're unlikely to end up hospitalized if you get Covid and are unvaccinated but I would also counter that of those that do end up hospitalized from Covid are overwhelmingly unvaccinated and in many hospitals they are running out of room. I would be really pissed if a lived one of mine was in a wreck for instance and they couldn't get them in a room because a bunch of people chose not to get vaccinated based on bad misinformation. I don't want mandates either but I do wish some of the anti vax people would be more reasonable also. Pfizer just got full FDA approval so some were using that as an excuse to not get it, let's see if they change their tune.
Based on talks with doctor friends and a couple nurses I think a large problem with the unvaccinated people who are getting sick right now is their fairly delusion self-perception of their own health.

Other than age, obesity and associated health concerns are the #1 driver of serious cases and death. To the point that 80% of the hospitalizations and deaths have been obese people. And in deaths there have consistently been 3 or more associated comorbidities. I don't believe it's being publicly stated but every single time they release some statistics on people in Houston who died they state the person had underlying health issues.

My point is that these people in the hospital and dying THINK they're in good shape and healthy when they're actually borderline obese (and sometimes just flat out obese) but think "hey, I'm not that fat I'm just big boned" or some bull***** Like 90% of the people in the hospital for covid fit this profile. And a large percentage of them are undiagnosed and untreated type-2 diabetic, have high BP, high cholesterol, and get winded going up flight of stairs. They are not "otherwise healthy."
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That is definitely true, I have the ability to talk with many doctors in my job and one is head of a Covid unit in Odessa. Many unvaccinated should have strongly considered getting it because they are typical Americans meaning overweight and that's what we've seen. Many stories on this thread use had a dad bod but not too bad, I'm thinking yeah he was fat. Probably had a gut and fairly inactive and didn't think he needed the vaccine. This same doctor also tells of a few young and very healthy people that died also, rare and unlikely but it's not like it doesn't happen. Bottom line is the Pfizer vaccine has been fully approved someone really ought to consider getting it. I just want them to make informed decisions and not buy into the terrible amount of misinformation out there. You feel bad for one day so what. Just get it. Not for mandates but I am for being smart.
When we were down, and we would come to Lubbock, you people would treat us like kings.-Paul Stanley of KISS
 
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