Blessed not to know anyone that has died, no one seriously ill from covid, 2 seriously ill apparently from vaccinne. One good buddy health nut 50 had a stroke right after.

An Aggie friend from my church (c/o 94) sadly died at the end of last year before the vaccines became available. She was obese and had lupus.

An acquaintance from my church died around the same time as her and he was in his late 50s and had a multitude of health problems and was frequently hospitalized prior to getting Covid.

I have a good friend who is in his mid 30s just spent several weeks in the hospital with COVID Pneumonia. He is healthy and exercises regularly. Not sure if he was vaccinated, but if I had to guess I would say he wasn't.

A friend of mine's fianc (early 50s) was on and off a ventilator for weeks almost dying multiple times. They did a tracheotomy on her as a last resort and she started to improve shortly after the surgery. She is a smoker and has a multitude of other health issues. She will go to rehab but will live. Not vaccinated

My Aggie neighbor (early 50s) started having issues with his heart several weeks after getting the Moderna Vaccine. He had to wear a heart monitor for a few weeks to track activity, but haven't asked him lately how it's going.

Slocum on a mobile said:

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Yes. I know 3. The wife runs a Doctor's office that caters to the older crowd and knows dozens. But, by all means, the people that say it's all fake, probably don't believe in the moon landings either.

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Who exactly are you directing this towards?

Many of us have skewed perspectives based on our age. I'm in my 30s and most of the people I know that have had it are similar in age. Statistically speaking, it is a very unlikely I would know a lot of people that have perished from Covid. That doesn't mean I don't think it's deadly.

My parents and in-laws, both in their early 60s, have had a very different experience. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head but am sure several people they know or their parents, have died from Covid. That also doesn't mean that everyone that gets Covid is going to be really ill and potentially die

It does not surprise me that I don't know anyone that has died, just like it doesn't surprise me that someone in their 60s probably knows a few people that have died. I think the purpose of this thread, or at least how I have read it, was for people to share what they have encountered.

Slocum on a mobile said:

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There's a group of people who believe it's a non-event. Their premise is that it's all fake and a government conspiracy to enact socialism, etc. Thats who it's directed at. Not reasonable people that can see it's not the Illuminati..

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No one thinks its fake. However, there is a complete absense of credible data, for which there is no possible explanation other than conspiracy of some sort.


Thats why threads like this are useful. Getting real honest information, from people we can trust, is iseful, even if anecdotal.

I only know one person who died who was early- 50's, heavy and diabetic. I know a couple dozen of other people who have had it, including one person in his 70's who has had 2 open heart surgeries and multiple stents, where it was a little more than a cold for 48-72 hrs. All unvaccinated.

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In time there has got to be some sort of genetic sequencing research because there are plenty of people who should have been absolutely hammered by covid who barely got sick and others in pretty decent shape without other risk factors get knocked on their ass and some died.

There has to be some sort of physiological difference that's not apparent on the surface. Perhaps at the genetic level.

Or maybe it's because I used to eat tacos off street carts in border towns before the risk of lead poisoning got too high that gave me a strong immune system.

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I've been saying this since almost the beginning. There has to be some sort of genetic link between those who get the sickest and die, particularly those who are young and/or have no obvious underlying conditions.

I also think this should be a wake up call that people may not be as healthy as they think they are. Clearly there are people who appear to be perfectly fine but are some sort of ticking time bomb (ie, my neighbor's husband). Unfortunately, there isn't a good way to identify them.

I know at least 5 people who have died:
28 yo female, healthy
51 yo male
~55 yo male
~78 yo male
~90 yo male
Two of our pastors went in the hospital, and the church secretary is a long hauler.

Vaccine:
One friend got sick for a few days from 1st Moderna, bc he'd already had CV.
Headaches for everyone else.

TXTransplant said:

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TarponChaser said:

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In time there has got to be some sort of genetic sequencing research because there are plenty of people who should have been absolutely hammered by covid who barely got sick and others in pretty decent shape without other risk factors get knocked on their ass and some died.

There has to be some sort of physiological difference that's not apparent on the surface. Perhaps at the genetic level.

Or maybe it's because I used to eat tacos off street carts in border towns before the risk of lead poisoning got too high that gave me a strong immune system.

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I've been saying this since almost the beginning. There has to be some sort of genetic link between those who get the sickest and die, particularly those who are young and/or have no obvious underlying conditions.

I also think this should be a wake up call that people may not be as healthy as they think they are. Clearly there are people who appear to be perfectly fine but are some sort of ticking time bomb (ie, my neighbor's husband). Unfortunately, there isn't a good way to identify them.

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This is a good point. Americans by and large have big time misconceptions of what is considered a healthy weight (gee I wonder why these days). Most people don't really understand how overweight they really are. And one of the docs here mentioned that many people consider themselves healthy but have BMI approaching 30 and have no clue what their A1C, cholesterol, lipids, etc are.

I'm 45, male, in good shape. Got J&J shot in April. I know no one who has died and only about 5 people who have actually had it. All were fine within 5 days or so. Ages ranged from mid 20's to 40's. I also know a 92 y/o who was in a nursing home, had it, and beat it.

- Don't know anyone who died from the virus.
- Know one healthy 33yo who died two days after the injection.
- Know two who were hospitalized after the injection. One was a life changing debilitating stroke. Female late 30s.

KidDoc said:

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Swimming a mile is no joke nice job!

More and more it seems like it not just obesity but cardiovascular fitness. So if you carry some weight but get a good sweat and HR on a regular basis it is likely protective from severe covid. If you are overweight but can't climb stairs without getting out of breath you probably need to do some more working out not just to control BMI but to increase CV fitness.

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I'll go a step further. Studies are showing that moderate to intense training shows a drastic increase in immunity response to Covid and any other illness, and muscle cells may, per another study (which I'd need to find the link for), actually store T Cells and the more muscle cells you have, ie the more mass you have, the more T cells can be stored.



Now, I am more of a strength guy vs CV health as I support the notion that strength is a better detirmenant of health than CV fitness alone. But, as the gif and memes go:



CV helps your conditioning and strength helps you be able to actually easily get up out of bed, chairs and the couch when you are in your 70's and above. While the strength and mass gains the 20-50 year old set can gain won't be as noticeable for the 70+ trainee. Their ability to function better than an out of shape typical 30 year old is noticed and studied. ANd that is so much more important. I had one strength coach say it like this: "If you squatted 400 or 500 lbs in your 30's or 40's, you may only be able to squat 135 in your 80's if you continue to train between that time frame. While on the surface the loss of strength like that might seem discouraging. But think about this! You are 80+ years old squatting 135 regularly while most average 30 something Americans can't really do that! And further, most 70+ year olds are no where near that strong and capable. So being strong at an elderly age is much MORE important than gym bro gains in your 20's." I know for sure I will never stop training. My goals are to be over 225 in squat and 250 in deadlifts at 85, God willing I am still around. And I expect to be.

Also, given the results of the studies, it makes me question the general notion of the minimal requirements for exercise stated by the Dept of Health and Human Services. They state: for general health adults should aim for 150 to 300 minutes of moderate physical activity or 75 to 150 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic physical activity each week.. I say that absolutely needs to be ramped up with strength training added and more intensity allotted for.

My wife's 75 year old uncle died last week. He seemed healthy before contracting covid.

I've known several people who have been hospitalized including a couple who were in ICU.

My vaccinated friend (not fat!) got it last month and is still out of breath when doing simple tasks. So that's not great to hear.

TXTransplant said:

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There has to be some sort of genetic link between those who get the sickest and die, particularly those who are young and/or have no obvious underlying conditions.

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Right.

I don't know too many people who have had COVID, but of those I do, there were several who had it but their spouses and other family members didn't get it, despite doing all the same things and being around each other.

I don't know anyone personally who has died. Knock on wood.

There are a few factors that determine how people view COVID ... the amount of news they watch, the people they know personally who have died, etc.

But one of the biggest ones is whether their job required them to be onsite throughout 2020 (not counting medical professionals).

If you could work at home and earn a living, it was easy to become scared by what you read and saw. You were tucked away and safe and it was easy to point fingers at those who weren't.

If you go out in the world every day and interact with people, you likely have a far more laissez faire approach to things, because you HAVE TO. The people I know who were working out in the real world every day have a far more realistic view of risk and mitigation than those who have been secluded for months.

I've had this argument many times with family members ... "why isn't so and so doing more to protect himself? He's being so stupid!" And I would answer, "Well, he has to go to work every day and interact with customers and coworkers. What difference does it make if he goes to the grocery store?"

I now know personally one individual who has died. He was 59 double amputee plus internal injuries from military service in 1983. Refused the vaccine. Died in his sleep after moderate symptoms at home. Wife fully vaccinated but got sick anyway and I believe that is how he was infected.

I know no one personally who has been hospitalized or died with the above exception.

I've said this on multiple threads over time. I had covid Dec 2020 after attending a wedding with 150 people. Only the head table ended up positive - all over 50, all except one overweight, sedentary, not what I would consider active (I include myself, totally off the fitness wagon but in the past have done crossfit, CG, and long distance cycling). All only minimal to mild symptoms a few days in duration. No fever, mild cold type symptoms. Diminished acuity of smell still lingers for me after losing it completely for a long time. This was pre-vaccine. The only one not positive was the 80 year old grandma.

Since that time 2 or 3 (not sure) of the 6 people have received the vaccine.

I continue to show antibodies and have not been vaccinated. Will probably have to get vaccinated as I am the primary caretaker for my MIL who just had her first chemo yesterday - the office is saying vaccinations needed for those accompanying patients to office visits (not including chemo, no one allowed in chemo room currently). I don't see what the benefit of vaccine is, since those vaccinated are becoming ill and are contagious - vaccination won't stop that so doesn't decrease the risk of me accompanying her to office visits (or caring for her, currently staying with her). About to give up and get the JnJ though.

I know no one personally who has been severely impacted by the vaccine.

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Capitol Ag said:

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As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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I would say no except for the lack of hospital beds during covid surges. That affects all of us.

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Just don't go to the hospital! Problem solved! YW....


Seriously though, I understand that issue. I feel for the medical folks trying to deal with it understaffed. I also feel that until conclusive evidence shows the vaxed and the vaxed with natural immunity are truly a spreading vector, we do not mandate. But I am going off the assumption that this will die off rather quickly and surprisingly so like it has in most (I know not all) other places with delta spikes. I am afraid that if mandates are reimplemented, they will remain much longer than necessary and that's just something I do not want to see. I do have the benefit of not being near the ICUs and seeing the issues and deaths. But I like to think that also keeps be from being too biased. Well, keeps me biased in the opposite direction anyway. I'm still human....

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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that's where I'm at.

whatever policies are enacted from this point on should only affect those who refuse to get vaccinated.

i.e. not allowed to work certain jobs (school, healthcare) unless vaccinated or test negative twice a week for covid, and if you can't do this then you can't work and you go without pay

I've personally known a few die. 4 clients of mine. All 50+ (I believe) with sedentary lifestyles. One was diabetic. All pre-vax.
My wife lost a friend with severe auto immune disorders.

BUT the one that gets me:
My wife's best friend had both of her parents contract COVID. Both in their early 60s. Her mother was obese and very unhealthy. Her father was healthy, active, and still working. Both ended up in the ICU. Surprisingly the mother recovered and the father died.

Sometimes it's hard to understand how this disease chooses its victims. Obviously, if you're old and unhealthy, you probably won't fare well. But that situation just didn't play out like you'd expect.

NyAggie said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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that's where I'm at.

whatever policies are enacted from this point on should only affect those who refuse to get vaccinated.

i.e. not allowed to work certain jobs (school, healthcare) unless vaccinated or test negative twice a week for covid, and if you can't do this then you can't work and you go without pay

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Ah but then you have the critical need for healthcare workers juxtaposed with firing those who refuse the vaccine.

Capitol Ag said:

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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Except we do not need more policies and mandates as you're very unlikely to even end up in the hospital or die without the vaccine. This is the biggest misconception about the virus and is eaten up by those who have been working from home or who are older.

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Capitol Ag said:

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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Except we do not need more policies and mandates as you're very unlikely to even end up in the hospital or die without the vaccine. This is the biggest misconception about the virus and is eaten up by those who have been working from home or who are older.

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I don't want more policies and mandates but what i do want is to get the highest level of care possible if and or when myself or my family needs to visit the ER or any type of healthcare setting. Is that level of care currently available in Texas today? If not, what needs to be done to ensure folks can get a high level of care? A few years ago I was mowing on a hot summer day and went into AFib. I went to the local ER in my area where i was diagnosed. They sent me via ambulance to a larger hospital where my treatment continued in the ER and in both instances there were beds and staff ready and willing. When it became clear that I was not going to come out of it, they sent me to the cardiac floor where my care continued and eventually I was cardio verted back into rhythm. How would this scenario play out today with ER full staffing levels low and exhausted? I don't have the answers but the biggest issue right now IMO is the healthcare situation.

NyAggie said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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that's where I'm at.

whatever policies are enacted from this point on should only affect those who refuse to get vaccinated.

i.e. not allowed to work certain jobs (school, healthcare) unless vaccinated or test negative twice a week for covid, and if you can't do this then you can't work and you go without pay

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Agree with the first part. Now, I don't know that I would go that strong in terms of limitations but I think just allowing the vaccinated to roam freely while the unvaccinated follow masking and SDing etc, alone, would encourage many to vax. I also do not understand the push back from many regarding vaccination. And the fact that it isn't just those who lean right at all. Many of the most unvaccinated demographics tend to lean left. Yet they have large numbers of unvaccinated. Why???

Anyway, it's a person's choice, that part I will stand up for. But while doing that I will tell one that I feel it's completely safe and worth while. And I just find it beyond annoying that now there's a chance we will have to be masked, told to "stay home" and have limits etc brought back when most of us vaccinated just aren't the cause of any of this. We are not all in this together. This isn't WWII or the Cold War. imho.

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Capitol Ag said:

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A very important question is how many have died from Covid after being vaccinated. I doubt very many have. Nor have very many suffered prolonged effects from getting covid after being vaccinated. Another reason why this is specifically a "pandemic" of the unvaccinated. As sad as it may be, do we really need more polies and mandates for something that mostly effects those who chose not to vaccinate?

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Except we do not need more policies and mandates as you're very unlikely to even end up in the hospital or die without the vaccine. This is the biggest misconception about the virus and is eaten up by those who have been working from home or who are older.

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agree!

JesusQuintana said:

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If not, what needs to be done to ensure folks can get a high level of care?

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Don't fire critically needed healthcare workers. Might be a drop in the bucket but there are those fired for refusing the vaccine.