It wasn't just hoarding and supply they were worried about at the beginning. The idea was to lock down. No need for a mask if you are not leaving your house.
SunrayAg said:Beat40 said:Fitch said:
They straight up lied or omitted to avoid a run on masks a la toilet paper back in March. When supplies were secured the message reversed. Damned either way, but doesn't make it right.
Yup, they didn't treat people like adults and at least advise wearing cloth masks. Instead, they said no masks work. Dumb.
Dumb would have been telling the brainless huddled masses that masks were necessary during a time when they were in short supply, and watching them be hoarded and unavailable in the hospitals where they were desperately needed.
Infection_Ag11 said:Beat40 said:Fitch said:
They straight up lied or omitted to avoid a run on masks a la toilet paper back in March. When supplies were secured the message reversed. Damned either way, but doesn't make it right.
Yup, they didn't treat people like adults and at least advise wearing cloth masks. Instead, they said no masks work. Dumb.
To be fair, Americans have demonstrated little ability to behave like adults en masse in a very long time. It's difficult to fault policy makers from assuming that will continue, especially in a scenario where the predominant public emotions will be anger and fear.
B/CS Dreaming said:
I found out yesterday that the son of a family friend who lives in Iowa passed away. 38 years old, healthy, and active with no known underlying conditions. His wife had a positive COVID test 5 days ago. He started to feel bad two days ago, went to get a COVID test that day (results still pending) and died in his sleep that night of heart failure.
Anecdotal cases shouldn't dictate public policy and we need to let our college-age and younger kids live their lives given the small risk for their age group. This was a wake up call for me to be more prudent in my personal choices, though.
God bless our healthcare workers and those working to develop treatments and a vaccine.
Be safe, y'all.
Thanks for sharing that. A very interesting read. The resilient populace part seems obvious to this civilian who has seen many groups of volunteers self organize for many different disasters or even hardships. The elite panic part does explain why officials often hold back information and stand in the way of getting things done.cone said:
weird to approach a problem that requires public trust by betraying it right off the bat
reminds me of this
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/james-meigs/elite-panic-vs-the-resilient-populace/
You know people would have even been organizing drives to round up all the N95 equivalent masks sitting in their homes for the hospitals to use. Sure some would have resorted to hoarding, they did anyway. But even if you ordered 500 n95 masks for your own personal stockpile, when people starting asking for donations to help the medical community, most probably share at least some of their stockpile.Beat40 said:SunrayAg said:Beat40 said:Fitch said:
They straight up lied or omitted to avoid a run on masks a la toilet paper back in March. When supplies were secured the message reversed. Damned either way, but doesn't make it right.
Yup, they didn't treat people like adults and at least advise wearing cloth masks. Instead, they said no masks work. Dumb.
Dumb would have been telling the brainless huddled masses that masks were necessary during a time when they were in short supply, and watching them be hoarded and unavailable in the hospitals where they were desperately needed.
My point is they could have said, "Hey, we need N95 and surgical masks for hospitals, please use cloth masks instead."
They choice they made was to say, 'Hey, masks don't work. No need for one." Then, a month later say, "Hey, you know that thing we said about masks? Turns out you do actually need them and we lied to you. Oh, and N95s provide the best protection, followed by surgical masks and cloth masks and we think cloth masks should be fine for most daily uses when you can't be 6 ft apart."
There was no reason they couldn't have said cloth masks will work from the beginning.
They bungled their messaging up from the beginning. When you outright lie to people, you haven't started a foundation of trust. That is what I'm saying is dumb. If they would have gone with what I said in my first one of this post, I guarantee more than most American would have gone with cloth masks instead of N95s or surgical masks. Heck, N95s and surgical masks are in great supply and people still chose cloth masks over those.
I'm sorry for your loss.B/CS Dreaming said:
I found out yesterday that the son of a family friend who lives in Iowa passed away. 38 years old, healthy, and active with no known underlying conditions. His wife had a positive COVID test 5 days ago. He started to feel bad two days ago, went to get a COVID test that day (results still pending) and died in his sleep that night of heart failure.
Anecdotal cases shouldn't dictate public policy and we need to let our college-age and younger kids live their lives given the small risk for their age group. This was a wake up call for me to be more prudent in my personal choices, though.
God bless our healthcare workers and those working to develop treatments and a vaccine.
Be safe, y'all.
Really? Have you looked at the spikes across the entire country? It is not regional, it is national. People need to accept this is real and thank the doctors by being willing to change their life styles/wear masks and help contain the spread. Thanks isn't enough.Capitol Ag said:We don't know that they are having to make a live/die call at this point. It sounds like overall, the treatment currently given has reduced the likelihood of death significantly. Obviously, this is very regional and local the way things pop up. One area can be exploding and a close area near there can have no issues at all. Hopefully a vaccine is introduced soon enough to help those most at risk.culdeus said:
It's crazy how the attitudes for this changed so quickly.
Went from people sort of caring, to people literally not giving a single crap.
I don't have any idea what a world looks like with full hospitals and this bearing down, I would hate to think we are denying care and I would hate to think a Dr. has to make a live/die call. What a mess.
Good luck Doc. We are all thinking and praying for you and your staff.
Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Emotional Support Statue said:
My elderly parents wear n95s when going out to protect themselves, as should all high risk individuals. The psychological guilt trip warfare is counterproductive and harmful.
To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
bay fan said:To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
I'm willing to wear a mask (and do) but don't support another lockdown. I think people grossly underestimate the long term impact that has on our society and the other short term sociological impacts (including on health).bay fan said:To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
MaxPower said:I'm willing to wear a mask (and do) but don't support another lockdown. I think people grossly underestimate the long term impact that has on our society and the other short term sociological impacts (including on health).bay fan said:To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
bay fan said:To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
gooberhead said:
I'm where you are about the medical profession/process, and have been since before Covid. The medical process has lost the ability to include honesty and common sense with the science.
Proposition Joe said:
There's something that always amuses me about people boasting that "I'm out there living my life!" while posting on an internet message forum.
Proposition Joe said:
There's something that always amuses me about people boasting that "I'm out there living my life!" while posting on an internet message forum.
AgsMyDude said:Proposition Joe said:
There's something that always amuses me about people boasting that "I'm out there living my life!" while posting on an internet message forum.
They are so brave!
The_Fox said:bay fan said:To each their own. Watching a friend ache in pain, probably for the rest of her life has made me completely willing to do anything I can to prevent anyone else from going through that type of pain. Call it idiotic if you want but I am willing to wear a mask, distance, cook at home until a vaccine is available, for people I know, people I don't know and everyone in the medical profession. If you dismiss the data you don't like rather then learn from it you simply contribute to the problem.The_Fox said:bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Using outliers to set your frame of reference for an event is idiotic.
I make risk assessments based on facts not feelings derived from singular anecdotal experiences.
I have engaged in activities that were truly dangerous, and being exposed to COVID is not one of them. A 99.95 chance of survival. OMG it's going to get us all!
FalconAg06 said:AgsMyDude said:Proposition Joe said:
There's something that always amuses me about people boasting that "I'm out there living my life!" while posting on an internet message forum.
They are so brave!
Nothing about bravery dude, all life is a risk/reward calculation from deciding to have a 3rd piece of pie, to driving on 290 or taking a flight.
Jimmy McNulty said:
I tested positive this past Wednesday and symptoms started Monday or Tuesday with high fatigue. Today would be day 5-6 and so far I've experienced fatigue, fever, chills, and mild headache.
It sucks because I'm isolated while my wife, who is 15 weeks pregnant, cares for our two year old. She was exposed to me Monday and Tuesday when I believe symptoms started. I completely isolated to a single room on Wednesday.
To this point she says she has a stuffy nose but thinks it's a only a cold. So far, my breathing is perfectly fine with no drainage or runny nose at all. Praying my wife and son did not catch it.