I am sorry. Life isn't as rich without that generation. I pray she rests easy and surprises your family with a full recovery.The Shank Ag said:
My 89 year old grandmother had a heart episode that nearly killed her a little over a month ago. Was in the hospital/rehab center 3 weeks. Came home 2 weeks ago with "sitters". Also has had 15-20% kidney function for years. Woke up this morning not able to breathe well, went to hospital, tested positive... I'm prepared, this isn't good at all.
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bay fan said:I am sorry. Life isn't as rich without that generation. I pray she rests easy and surprises your family with a full recovery.The Shank Ag said:
My 89 year old grandmother had a heart episode that nearly killed her a little over a month ago. Was in the hospital/rehab center 3 weeks. Came home 2 weeks ago with "sitters". Also has had 15-20% kidney function for years. Woke up this morning not able to breathe well, went to hospital, tested positive... I'm prepared, this isn't good at all.
Call from nurse:
-Oxygen levels back to normal
-Already had remdesivir and convalescent plasma.
-said she's nowhere near out of the woods but reacting to treatment way better than they expected.
Good news!
JesusQuintana said:gooberhead said:
I'm where you are about the medical profession/process, and have been since before Covid. The medical process has lost the ability to include honesty and common sense with the science.
Care to elaborate? Are you lumping all medicinal practice in when u say this? Cancer research and treatment, children's treatment, etc.?
That's a very shiny hook you've got there. I stand by my opinion
My dad got it last week and has been in their rural hospital since. Talking to the nurse today, she said that the morning is worse for him. This morning he tried to turn over to go pre and his oxygen level dropped to 70. During the rest of the day, he is between 86-90.
They are trying to get him transferred to a bigger hospital because they do not have a ventilator there if the need it. The nurse said it is concerning that he isnt getting better. I guess the silver lining is that he isnt getting worse.
This is tough.
Also, my mom is positive and has been at home. Her symptoms have been mild but the worst for her is worry about my dad. She hates being alone and I cant stay with her until she is better which makes this worse.
They are trying to get him transferred to a bigger hospital because they do not have a ventilator there if the need it. The nurse said it is concerning that he isnt getting better. I guess the silver lining is that he isnt getting worse.
This is tough.
Also, my mom is positive and has been at home. Her symptoms have been mild but the worst for her is worry about my dad. She hates being alone and I cant stay with her until she is better which makes this worse.
Can we stop the back and forth on this thread and let the doc's use it as an information outlet?
There's plenty other threads to argue govt response, etc.
There's plenty other threads to argue govt response, etc.
So sorry about your grandmother! Do you think she got it at the hospital or from one of the sitters? I am guessing one of the sitters. If it has been 2 weeks since being in the hospital she would have probably had some symptoms before this if she got it there.The Shank Ag said:
My 89 year old grandmother had a heart episode that nearly killed her a little over a month ago. Was in the hospital/rehab center 3 weeks. Came home 2 weeks ago with "sitters". Also has had 15-20% kidney function for years. Woke up this morning not able to breathe well, went to hospital, tested positive... I'm prepared, this isn't good at all.
So sorry. The anguish this can cause is terrible. Praying for recovery.
I think we will find that situations like your friend's daughter, who was athletic and part of a demographic that would on the surface appear most safe, had an underlying condition that wasn't known about and diagnosed or the treatment wasn't given in enough time before it was too late. Many younger athletic people could very well figure that they can just push through things when ill and do not seek treatment in time. Again, I understand the emotional side of this, no doubt. It is terrible. But her situation is an outlier for sure and would need to be studied in depth to see why she would die from this when it's so, so very rare for a person in her condition.bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
Thanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
No arguments from me here. More of a question as to why certain places aren't spiking at all and others are multiple times. What are we doing "right" in Collin County where there hasn't been a spike yet, God willing.bay fan said:Really? Have you looked at the spikes across the entire country? It is not regional, it is national. People need to accept this is real and thank the doctors by being willing to change their life styles/wear masks and help contain the spread. Thanks isn't enough.Capitol Ag said:We don't know that they are having to make a live/die call at this point. It sounds like overall, the treatment currently given has reduced the likelihood of death significantly. Obviously, this is very regional and local the way things pop up. One area can be exploding and a close area near there can have no issues at all. Hopefully a vaccine is introduced soon enough to help those most at risk.culdeus said:
It's crazy how the attitudes for this changed so quickly.
Went from people sort of caring, to people literally not giving a single crap.
I don't have any idea what a world looks like with full hospitals and this bearing down, I would hate to think we are denying care and I would hate to think a Dr. has to make a live/die call. What a mess.
Good luck Doc. We are all thinking and praying for you and your staff.
Collin County's hospitalization numbers are rising. I wish we knew how many Collin residents are hospitalized in other counties. That would be an interesting number, too. Murphy/Wylie/Sachse residents often end up at Methodist in Richardson or at Baylor in Rowlett.
My theory is that we're not really an urban area, so we don't have urban area spacing so we weren't hit hard when Dallas, Houston, etc. were. However, as more people return to work and loosen up, cases and hospitalizations are on the rise. Time will tell whether they rise to an unmanageable level.
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My theory is that we're not really an urban area, so we don't have urban area spacing so we weren't hit hard when Dallas, Houston, etc. were. However, as more people return to work and loosen up, cases and hospitalizations are on the rise. Time will tell whether they rise to an unmanageable level.
Collin Hospitalization Source
L08 said:So sorry about your grandmother! Do you think she got it at the hospital or from one of the sitters? I am guessing one of the sitters. If it has been 2 weeks since being in the hospital she would have probably had some symptoms before this if she got it there.The Shank Ag said:
My 89 year old grandmother had a heart episode that nearly killed her a little over a month ago. Was in the hospital/rehab center 3 weeks. Came home 2 weeks ago with "sitters". Also has had 15-20% kidney function for years. Woke up this morning not able to breathe well, went to hospital, tested positive... I'm prepared, this isn't good at all.
Our best guess is one of the sitters, one of us, or her hair dresser.
3 sitters were rotating in/out every 8 hours for 2 weeks.
My parents and sister have gone over there for dinner. My wife and I and child went another night and made her dinner. My aunt and uncle went another day and brought her lunch. None of us have had any symptoms before or after. Though my parents and sister rushed there yesterday morning before she was rushed to hospital and are all quarantining. My wife and I haven't been there since Friday the 6th.
She also went to the hair dresser (just her and him in the shop, he's older too, probably late 60s early 70s)
What does "only in america" mean? Are you implying 100 year olds have not caught this in other countries?
Marcus Aurelius said:
Just saw a 100 y/o with COVID. 100. On the vent. Full code. Only in America. How do you think he's gonna fair?
Why do you say "Only in America"?
other countries wouldn't put a 100 year old on a vent...they would give him/her Advil and let nature take it's course.
Intubating 100 y/os with covid, dementia. Very aggressive / heroic care when outcome very likely to be death. We are full. No ICU beds. I have a 40 y/o circling the drain. Can't get CTS to ECMO him. But we are intubating 100 y/os with it? Would not happen in Europe.
Who do you want making those decisions?
Reasonable families. Doctors not empowered to make those decisions in the US. I guess for good reasons. But these are desperate times. This is not the case in other countries. America litigious.Fenrir said:
Who do you want making those decisions?
Most families are going to be emotional in such circumstances. Do you think that the government or a panel of professionals at the hospital should be making these decisions? Your line about "Doctors not empowered to make those decisions in the US. I guess for good reasons." seems facetious.
Well, when doctors were going to get paid for their time to educate patients on end of life decisions, it was called a death panel. And the topic continues to remain a taboo in this country. For some reason if you aren't doing everything possible to keep that heart beating, you're a bad doctor.Marcus Aurelius said:Reasonable families. Doctors not empowered to make those decisions in the US. I guess for good reasons. But these are desperate times. This is not the case in other countries. America litigious.Fenrir said:
Who do you want making those decisions?
I think if a patient, 100 years old or not, decides he wants to be full code, that's his right. But more often than not, the elderly are ready to go, it is the families that come in and say "you have to do everything, that's what he wanted."
I think everyone needs to watch Extremis on Netflix. Recommend watching it now, before you have a family member or loved on on life support to give perspective that might be too hard to watch at a later time.
It's hard to say. My grandmother was on death's door a few years ago. She had an ulcer bleeding into her stomach. She had a full DNR. It was clear she was dying. Doctor said they had to do everything possible to the point of resuscitation. Cauterized the bleeder, pumped her full of blood. She lived for another year but her quality of life was horrendous. Honestly they should have just let her go. We wanted it, she wanted it, but the doctor's couldn't stop.
I am sorry. Don't mean to come across as heartless. Bad weekend. I have 70 pts and 40 covids that I have seen. I know this virus. 100 y/o with advanced dementia with horrific chest xray and ABG is not going to survive covid. 80 y/o would not. Frustrating when families don't listen and impose their will. "He is a fighter." Not unlimited resources.
Have seen 3 die today. 70s 80s. And 40 y/o close
Have seen 3 die today. 70s 80s. And 40 y/o close
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Man Im so sorry, and I pray that this is just a really bad week and things get better for you. Having a good friend who's a Doc I know these patients mean so much to you. Hang in there and I'm praying for you. Today in church our pastor preached a great message on hope and perseverance as one of the overarching themes of the Major Prophets. I'm praying for this for you now, man.
Man Im so sorry, and I pray that this is just a really bad week and things get better for you. Having a good friend who's a Doc I know these patients mean so much to you. Hang in there and I'm praying for you. Today in church our pastor preached a great message on hope and perseverance as one of the overarching themes of the Major Prophets. I'm praying for this for you now, man.
Marcus I'm so sorry you and the other frontline workers are dealing with this. I don't know how you manage to hang in there, but know that there are those who have your (and others like you) backs.
Sorry. Not at all trying to offend or brush off anything. She represents an extreme outlier. That is just a fact. The only thing where I could see her being more likely to die would be if she cared for Covid patients and had exposure to way more of the virus than normal given her situation.bay fan said:You have a way to brush everything off. Please stop. This young woman was a nurse and well aware of what was happening to her. You need to stop trying to explain away everything. It's offensive.Capitol Ag said:I think we will find that situations like your friend's daughter, who was athletic and part of a demographic that would on the surface appear most safe, had an underlying condition that wasn't known about and diagnosed or the treatment wasn't given in enough time before it was too late. Many younger athletic people could very well figure that they can just push through things when ill and do not seek treatment in time. Again, I understand the emotional side of this, no doubt. It is terrible. But her situation is an outlier for sure and would need to be studied in depth to see why she would die from this when it's so, so very rare for a person in her condition.bay fan said:Back in April my friend lost her 30 year old nurse daughter very quickly. She was a healthy marathon runner. Got sick and died in the ICU of heart complications associated with COVID. It has framed they way I look at this pandemic. Little respect for those who pretend it's nothing.B/CS Dreaming said:
DThanks, Marcus. This stuff sucks.Aggie95 said:
That's very strange. Curious on test results. 2 days would be about the quickest covid death I've heard of.
Yeah...I thought the same. Maybe just a coincidence?
I was talking with a doc friend about it and they weren't surprised. Has anyone else heard of heart issues just a day after showing symptoms?
Not sure why you're offended. Not trying to start a fight. You're the one who brought the situation to this thread. I found it interesting and was just speculating on the situation. There have been extremely rare situations where healthy people with no known preexisting conditions under 55 have died. Why? It's important we find out no doubt.
Marcus Aurelius said:
I am sorry. Don't mean to come across as heartless. Bad weekend. I have 70 pts and 40 covids that I have seen. I know this virus. 100 y/o with advanced dementia with horrific chest xray and ABG is not going to survive covid. 80 y/o would not. Frustrating when families don't listen and impose their will. "He is a fighter." Not unlimited resources.
Have seen 3 die today. 70s 80s. And 40 y/o close
What condition was the 40 year old in before getting the virus? Just curious.
Healthy. No comorbidities.
Marcus Aurelius said:
Healthy. No comorbidities.
This is f'n terrifying. The 40 year old is perfectly healthy, was treated as best as possible, and is just going to die and we have no idea why?
Wow what was the progression in how the illness affected him and landing him in ICU? I'm 34 and feel like I'm over the hump with COVID now after testing positive last Wednesday with first symptoms on mon (Or tues).
that's what I was wondering if the CDC had updated their IFR figures by age group
seems to be getting more virulent
that's pretty worrying
seems to be getting more virulent
that's pretty worrying
What is everyone's vitamin D status when they are sick and admitted? Are they taking vitamin D, quercetin, NAC, Vitamin C, berberine, etc? Do the have other genetic predispositions like factor V Leiden mutation or other hypercoagulable undiagnosed states, etc? Were they treated with zpak, steroids, hydroxychloroquine, or other therapies prior to admission?
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What is everyone's vitamin D status when they are sick and admitted? Are they taking vitamin D, quercetin, NAC, Vitamin C, berberine, etc? Do the have other genetic predispositions like factor V Leiden mutation or other hypercoagulable undiagnosed states, etc? Were they treated with zpak, steroids, hydroxychloroquine, or other therapies prior to admission?
There was a doc on here a few nights ago that laid out a pretty grim next few months. Basically said that nothing we have works. Not vitamins, not HCL, not toci, not steroids, nothing. I'm sure there was some emotion behind his post but it's sad that we're this far into this thing and, generally speaking, our treatments are useless.
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