The way this past weekend went makes so called hostage BS a joke. Deion would be proud of his daddy ball attempt. What's next, is he going to tweet teams that better not draft his son.

LB12Diamond said:

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coupland boy said:

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As i said. Maybe keeping good coaches is too difficult for us. Whatever the reason.

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It's your fault. Why did you not improve the swinger atmosphere in CS!

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Capstone said:

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For those worried about losing a roster full of players if we change coaches, that pretty much takes care of itself. After this year, we lose our starting Friday/Saturday/Sunday pitchers, second base, shortstop, catcher and center fielder to the draft... at minimum.

Contributors that have to be held onto at all costs - Sorrell, Kiel, Moss, a few arms from the pen

Players lost to injury for the year that must be held - Grahovac, Sdao

With what we are losing, we are pretty much starting over next year regardless if it is with Earley or a new coach.

If I'm reading daddy Grahovac's tweet correctly, it sounds like it another hostage situation - but with less to lose this time around.

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You think we lose Royo and Bear in the draft? I'll fully admit I know next to nothing about MLB prospects, but Id imagine they would both benefit staying another year. But in general I agree with what you're saying. We're going to lose a lot of production this year, one way or another.

Bear would probably be back - thought he was a junior. I could see Royo testing the market, since he loses all his negotiating power if he stays for his senior year.

I think some players are going to learn from Prager not going pro after last year.

Aston 91 said:

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To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.

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this is the real travesty.

giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.

Kelly as pitching coach has been awful!!!!

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Aston 91 said:

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To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.

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this is the real travesty.

giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.

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A&M Athletics and ridiculous guaranteed coaching contracts, one of our greatest traditions.

Aggiegal3230 said:

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Kelly as pitching coach has been awful!!!!

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It wasn't about how good or bad he was, it was that we have a guy that has head coaching experience to finish the season.

When I said that, our season was done.

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Aston 91 said:

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To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.

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this is the real travesty.

giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.

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A&M Athletics and ridiculous guaranteed coaching contracts, one of our greatest traditions.

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Does anyone know if we still have a sip heading up contracts for the AD, like we used to?

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Aston 91 said:

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To address the question with more than a one word answer, I still think it's worth $3MM to move on at this point. But it really shouldn't be a question of whether it's worth that amount of money to move on from a first year head coach that was in a volunteer coaching position just a few years prior. I realize $1MM a year is on the lower end of SEC head coach's salaries, but to fully guarantee a $4MM contract to a guy that was a volunteer a few years before is just bad negotiating. I thought Alberts would at least be better in that regard, but I guess he's carrying on the Aggie tradition of fully guaranteed contracts that started with Franchione and continue to this day.

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this is the real travesty.

giving early a chance to coach was not a terrible move based on all the factors at play last year. what is a horrendous move is guaranteeing all four years as you said. what was he going to say if we guaranteed just the first two years which we should have done? would he have said no? doubtful. the real issue is we are handcuffed by people who i wouldn't trust to negotiate for a used pickup truck. until we value what we bring to the table we will never get over this hump.

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Not 100% sure on these numbers, but it looks accurate to me. Taken from a post on another forum discussing the whorn's extension for Sark last year. Usually it's not the original contract that handcuffs us, but a stupid extension. In this case, we decided to f-up the contract right from the start.
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A&M has had a problem with guaranteed contracts for 25 years.
1999 - R.C Slocum signed to a 7-year guaranteed extension. He was fired 4 years into that contract
2005 - Dennis Franchione signed to a 6-year guaranteed extension. He was fired 3 years into that contract
2007 - Mike Sherman signed to a 7-year guaranteed contract. He was fired after 4 seasons.
2014 - Kevin Sumlin signed to a 6-year guaranteed extension. He was fired 4 years into that contract
2016 - Billy Kennedy signed to a 5-year guaranteed extension. He was fired 3 years into that contract.
2021 - Jimbo Fisher signed to a 3 year extension to an already guaranteed 10-year contract with 7 years remaining on the original. He was fired 3 years into that extension.
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As much as it pains many on here to hear this, it would be shocking if Earley wasn't back for a second year. Forget having to pay his contract, as well as his assistants, can you imagine how much Alberts would have to offer to get a legitimate coach to leave a good situation? Would it take 5 million get Vitello? 6? 7? Would Bama lay down and allow Vaughn to just leave or like Tennessee would they open up the bank and match anything A&M offered.

There absolutely exists a price the coach's current team would not match, but the question is would Alberts be willing to put that much money into baseball while the Jimbo situation is still fresh on his and the boosters' minds.

I am in the camp that Earley is probably not the one for the A&M job. Unfortunately, at this point in time, I do not see anyway it can be resolved without committing 14-16 million dollars to do so. Alberts is a football guy as are most of the boosters. Putting that much into baseball will be a tough sell for any fanbase.

Maybe some of the coaches are going through a nasty divorce. It's how we got Schloss.

Need some guys to do some PI work!

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Absolutely worth it. Schloss buyout covers most of it. 1 mil + is the actual cost to fire him and his staff. They will tank the baseball program for several years otherwise. Need to get a serious coach in the dugout as soon as possible.

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Considering everyone is shooting for the stars, we'll have to pay off the contract of the team we pull from.

The players should pay the buyout. They wanted him and they have money now.

I posted this elsewhere.

I love baseball, especially A&M baseball at Olsen. However, the reality is that college baseball is not critical to our athletic department. Football is because it pays the bill for the entire department. Earley was not ready to be a head coach. That should really not be surprising given how he was suddenly given the job and his relative inexperience. After considering it all, I think we should keep Earley, save the money, and get him some better assistants while he grows in the job.

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I posted this elsewhere.

I love baseball, especially A&M baseball at Olsen. However, the reality is that college baseball is not critical to our athletic department. Football is because it pays the bill for the entire department. Earley was not ready to be a head coach. That should really not be surprising given how he was suddenly given the job and his relative inexperience. After considering it all, I think we should keep Earley, save the money, and get him some better assistants while he grows in the job.

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The big donors that care about baseball donate a lot of money for football. Flush baseball down the drain, and football would suffer. It's not a zero sum game.

They had over $10M/year committed to get Chris Beard between salary and NIL commitment. And most of the big money boosters care about baseball more.

Not saying it will happen, but if the right coach was interested, I don't think money is going to be the reason it doesn't get done.

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I posted this elsewhere.

I love baseball, especially A&M baseball at Olsen. However, the reality is that college baseball is not critical to our athletic department. Football is because it pays the bill for the entire department. Earley was not ready to be a head coach. That should really not be surprising given how he was suddenly given the job and his relative inexperience. After considering it all, I think we should keep Earley, save the money, and get him some better assistants while he grows in the job.

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The big donors that care about baseball donate a lot of money for football. Flush baseball down the drain, and football would suffer. It's not a zero sum game.

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I don't think that would be flushing it.

I agree, but spending more $ on coaching doesn't always result in more wins. Stability is worth something in my view

Doesn't he have a top 10 recruiting class going. That may be a factor. someone may sit him down and say look you're going to get rid of a few assistants and a few players that want to come back but maybe shouldn't come back.
we'll get you the Nil money but you're going to have to do these things

Is Bear draft eligible?

We do have a lot of underclassmen pitchers that we should keep.

Bear is a sophomore but sophomores could be eligible if they turn 21 before the draft

It could be different now, but Moss and Sdao both committed to returning last year before hiring Earley was even a possibility. They were just that locked in with A&M. Would be huge to have both of them back next season regardless of who the coach is.

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I agree, but spending more $ on coaching doesn't always result in more wins. Stability is worth something in my view

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Which coach out there would be worse than Earley? Think long and hard. He was given a LOADED roster.

I say burn the entire thing down. Fire the entire staff. Tell the players we would love to keep them but understand if they wanna leave for greener pastures.

Hire a competent staff and talent (players) will follow. In the era of NIL, and the portal, it won't take much to get a great roster back

I'm not even sold on wanting the current players. This "you better keep Earley" crap is a bunch of nonsense. He's proven he can't coach as a HC

Can we retain him as hitting coach and hire a head coach?

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Can we retain him as hitting coach and hire a head coach?

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I hope he's fired and never returns to the Brazos Valley

Firing Early will cost A&M $300,000. We got 2.7 Mil from the sips to release our coach and Early will cost us 3 Mill. $300,000 is 0.12% of our AD budget.

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It could be different now, but Moss and Sdao both committed to returning last year before hiring Earley was even a possibility. They were just that locked in with A&M. Would be huge to have both of them back next season regardless of who the coach is.

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Moss and Wilson are draft eligible so they may be tough to keep.

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Firing Early will cost A&M $300,000. We got 2.7 Mil from the sips to release our coach and Early will cost us 3 Mill. $300,000 is 0.12% of our AD budget.

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Pretty sure that $2.7 has already been spent

I think both would be wise to come back. They'd still have draft leverage next year, and both are too inconsistent to get drafted high enough for the signing bonus to be worth it.

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Firing Early will cost A&M $300,000. We got 2.7 Mil from the sips to release our coach and Early will cost us 3 Mill. $300,000 is 0.12% of our AD budget.

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No. It will cost us the $3 million we currently have. Glad you don't manage our money

Let the guy go…what an embarrassment to the school

MagnumLoad said:

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I agree, but spending more $ on coaching doesn't always result in more wins. Stability is worth something in my view

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I don't think this is the stability that we want

Why do we have a buyout for a guy nobody was trying to hire?

OrangeAlert said:

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As much as it pains many on here to hear this, it would be shocking if Earley wasn't back for a second year. Forget having to pay his contract, as well as his assistants, can you imagine how much Alberts would have to offer to get a legitimate coach to leave a good situation? Would it take 5 million get Vitello? 6? 7? Would Bama lay down and allow Vaughn to just leave or like Tennessee would they open up the bank and match anything A&M offered.

There absolutely exists a price the coach's current team would not match, but the question is would Alberts be willing to put that much money into baseball while the Jimbo situation is still fresh on his and the boosters' minds.

I am in the camp that Earley is probably not the one for the A&M job. Unfortunately, at this point in time, I do not see anyway it can be resolved without committing 14-16 million dollars to do so. Alberts is a football guy as are most of the boosters. Putting that much into baseball will be a tough sell for any fanbase.

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Everything you said applies to next year, or the year after, except maybe the amount of the buyout. In fact, it actually goes UP every year we wait. Not saying we'll save the $3 million by moving now, but it IS possible we'll save something by hiring someone now -- at least for the next 2 years.

We can't think of it the way you are. We must think of it this way: we're going to have to pay Earley his amount, whatever that is. Wouldn't it be better and more lucrative to have someone here that can actually get the program to a winning level, POTENTIALLY bringing in more revenue? If Earley isn't the one, the sooner we find him -- or someone much closer to him -- the better off we'll be, regardless of what the buyout is.