Foreign Substance - Georgia Pitcher's Glove

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7:56a, 4/29/24
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Wow, good on that fan. Guessing Christian won't be doing that this coming weekend.

Also guessing every coach the rest of the way will be asking for a glove check the moment he strikes two kids out.
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7:58a, 4/29/24
Pointing out that he does it every time he pitches almost argues against him cheating.
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In reply to Thisguy1 • 8:07a, 4/29/24
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Thisguy1 said:
Pointing out that he does it every time he pitches almost argues against him cheating.
Don't think it's every time. Just those 4 occasions. Need to see how he performed in those 4 games.
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In reply to jah003 • 8:09a, 4/29/24
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jah003 said:

He seemed to really find his zone against Ole Miss, Clemson, and the Aggies.
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8:30a, 4/29/24
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In reply to Thisguy1 • 9:13a, 4/29/24
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Thisguy1 said:
Pointing out that he does it every time he pitches almost argues against him cheating.
"It's not cheating if you cheat every time" is an interesting take.
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 9:16a, 4/29/24
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ensign_beedrill said:
Thisguy1 said:
Pointing out that he does it every time he pitches almost argues against him cheating.
"It's not cheating if you cheat every time" is an interesting take.

Officer: Is there a reason you were going 15 over in a school zone?
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 9:18a, 4/29/24
It's more about pitchers having different quirks. It also diminishes the argument that his numbers being better against us are an outlier to his other appearances, if he's using it in all of his other appearances as well.

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules regardless of how often it happens. It's just easier to explain away if grabbing his glove is something he's doing every time he's out there. A lot of pitchers do certain things every single pitch that they don't even notice they're doing. They're creatures of habit.
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 9:48a, 4/29/24
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VegasAg86 said:
Everyone does it.
Lotta Astros fans on this thread...
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10:02a, 4/29/24
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 10:37a, 4/29/24
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Thisguy1 said:
Pointing out that he does it every time he pitches almost argues against him cheating.
"It's not cheating if you cheat every time" is an interesting take.
yeah that is almost as painfully mind numbing remark as the comment on the twitter thread that said "well it happened at A&M's park so who's at fault". As if we somehow provided him the hidden bottle and are at fault for helping him cheat.
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10:39a, 4/29/24
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If you haven't already, go listen to Schloss' TexAgs radio linked at the top of the forum. Fascinating insight into what's going on in the SEC…it ain't just spider tak.
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In reply to Thisguy1 • 10:47a, 4/29/24
Thisguy1 said:
It's more about pitchers having different quirks. It also diminishes the argument that his numbers being better against us are an outlier to his other appearances, if he's using it in all of his other appearances as well.

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules regardless of how often it happens. It's just easier to explain away if grabbing his glove is something he's doing every time he's out there. A lot of pitchers do certain things every single pitch that they don't even notice they're doing. They're creatures of habit.
I've seen a lot of quirks/nervous habits. Never seen one that involves sticking your two main fingers you grip a ball with into the same crevice in your glove then rubbing your fingers together after touching in that crevice....

and the fact that he hid in the corner of the bullpen applying something he felt the need to hide and touching that same spot on the glove to feel it and rub his fingers together again right after the hidden application in the bullpen... just KINDA rules out the quirk defense.

Now, obviously the bullpen coach would know this is going on (assuming they have a coach in the bullpen). Would be curious to know how much the head coach and other staff in the dugout know. Is it just in the bullpen or is this being applied in the dugout between innings as well.

Nothing serious will come of this but I hope every single coach has his glove checked every inning he pitches from this point forward to be in his head.
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10:58a, 4/29/24
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The player in the bullpen looking away clearly knew something was up. He wasn't interested in asking "say, why are you hunched over in the corner". He had the "nothing to see here" look.
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 11:02a, 4/29/24
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The player in the bullpen looking away clearly new something was up. He wasn't interested in asking "say, why are you hunched over in the corner". He had the "nothing to see here" look.
What's really amusing to me is the cheater is pretty unintelligent. He's hiding in a corner that is in plain view of everyone in section 12....If he had simply nonchalantly applied it while standing around talking to the others in the pen no one in the crowd would have caught on to what he was doing. The attempt to hide it is the only reason he was caught. Stupid.
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11:04a, 4/29/24
Jomboy is going to do a breakdown on this!!
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In reply to Detective Jake Peralta • 11:08a, 4/29/24
Detective Jake Peralta said:
If you haven't already, go listen to Schloss' TexAgs radio linked at the top of the forum. Fascinating insight into what's going on in the SEC…it ain't just spider tak.
These are always great. For all the second guessers please listen, you might not agree with the moves Schloss makes but he does not shy away from his thought process in why he makes them.
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In reply to jkag89 • 11:10a, 4/29/24
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jkag89 said:
Detective Jake Peralta said:
If you haven't already, go listen to Schloss' TexAgs radio linked at the top of the forum. Fascinating insight into what's going on in the SEC…it ain't just spider tak.
These are always great. For all the second guessers please listen, you might not agree with the moves Schloss makes but he does not shy away from his thought process in why he makes them.


Schloss, Elko and Buzz are all excellent listens. Especially Schloss and Elko because of their frank honesty. Buzz is a fun listen too tho.
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In reply to WhoopN06 • 11:16a, 4/29/24
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Jomboy is going to do a breakdown on this!!
Someone should tag him and bring it to his attention. Make it so big the SEC can't sweep it under the rug.
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In reply to Aggies2009 • 11:27a, 4/29/24
He put on Twitter video that he is doing a breakdown. Confirmed.
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11:29a, 4/29/24
What a stupid take. MLB acknowledged it was common enough to have umpires check pitchers every inning.

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11:34a, 4/29/24
Has Georgia forfeited that game yet?
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11:36a, 4/29/24
Ump inspecting pitcher after inning.

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11:39a, 4/29/24
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Does anyone have access to TrackMan data?

We could look at his spin rates those games vs others.
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In reply to HoustonAg2106 • 11:40a, 4/29/24
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dermdoc said:
Sean98 said:
Different circles maybe. I saw it start to happen when I was around 13. Used it a little myself in some swampy late summer games by around 14 or 15. Didn't feel like it was a crazy huge advantage back then (just rosin or pine tar not today's outer space materials) but definitely the difference between losing a breaking ball out of the back of my hand vs. keeping it around the plate. We weren't as focused on spin rates because we didn't have all the analytics to back it up so I don't think it was as prevalent, particularly with fastball guys. Heavy breaking ball guys seemed to use it more then.

This would have been around 1990, so not exactly a new thing.


How many times has a pitcher struck out 6 of our guys in a row? Especially this guy?

The Georgia coaching staff was sketchy all weekend in my opinion. Schloss had to chase their photographer away from behind home plate before the game. Filming our pitcher.

And they pitched 2 of their guys into the ground.

Yeah, they cheated. And I get it but we should have checked the guy's glove after the the first 2-3 strikeouts.


Umpire was helping that guy out a lot too


Cortez K'd 7 Gators in a row in the first sec game of the year. I think maybe he had something, but it was a bigger zone and our guys were late on 93 mph fastballs.
How many were rung up and Montgomery checked swing. It happens we were tied and you get a little slow after 8 hours. Umps were ready to go as well.
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11:59a, 4/29/24
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So if one were to look into spin rates, how would they do that? For instance, if he's been using sticky stuff all year, there won't be any anomalies. His numbers would be consistently high. A few years ago when Trevor Bauer basically said, "Hey yall watch this" you could definitely see a spike in his spin rate.

If they, as a team, started doing it this season, could we expect a jump from last season or something?

Anyone know what to look for?
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 12:24p, 4/29/24
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Gyles Marrett said:
What a stupid take. MLB acknowledged it was common enough to have umpires check pitchers every inning.



If it was commonplace, each infraction would be on Sportscenter because the umpires would've busted them.
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In reply to Aggies2009 • 12:32p, 4/29/24
Aggies2009 said:
So if one were to look into spin rates, how would they do that? For instance, if he's been using sticky stuff all year, there won't be any anomalies. His numbers would be consistently high. A few years ago when Trevor Bauer basically said, "Hey yall watch this" you could definitely see a spike in his spin rate.

If they, as a team, started doing it this season, could we expect a jump from last season or something?

Anyone know what to look for?
You pretty much answered your own question. Use all year, you'd see no abnormalities. If he started using at some point during the year, you'd see maybe a 300-400 increase in spin rate.

No idea if we as fans have any sort of access to trackman data like that though.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 1:16p, 4/29/24
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Gyles Marrett said:
What a stupid take. MLB acknowledged it was common enough to have umpires check pitchers every inning.

That's not a conference twitter account, if that is what you are thinking.
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In reply to twk • 1:23p, 4/29/24
Yep, fully aware of that. Just thought how ignorant of a response that was from even a fanlike SEC baseball page.
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 1:23p, 4/29/24
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That and: At what time do you teach a child to cheat? And, if you cheat in games do you stop there or continue into life such as school, business, marriage, etc. Personally, the whole trend of cheating is okay, is disgusting.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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1:25p, 4/29/24
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SEC Response...

Dad: Son, are you doing drugs?
Kid: I heard my friend Joe Bob is doing drugs.
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 1:31p, 4/29/24
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Funky Winkerbean said:
Gyles Marrett said:
What a stupid take. MLB acknowledged it was common enough to have umpires check pitchers every inning.



If it was commonplace, each infraction would be on Sportscenter because the umpires would've busted them.

Oh look, another poster who is unaware of the concept of "deterrent".
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1:31p, 4/29/24
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No TrackMan data, but the average velocity on his fastball when facing every other opponent this year was 91-92.

Against the Ags on Saturday night, the average on his fastball was 95.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 1:31p, 4/29/24
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Gyles Marrett said:
Yep, fully aware of that. Just thought how ignorant of a response that was from even a fanlike SEC baseball page.
Well, you might want to edit your post because at least one other user appears not to understand that.
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