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DING DING DING!

Which is why I'm not shedding any tears over them being "mistreated".

It looks as if there are 3 options: 1. return it to the way it was 2. Keep it as a dismal student only section 3. Turn half of it into reserved only, mixing Raggies with blue hairs and further diluting Olsen Magic. I fear #3 most. The LAST thing we need is more season ticket holders there to only sit on their hands.

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I am not sure it's about money. I think the crazies in GA are in it more for the experience than for the price.

I pay about $10 for reserved seating. I wonder if you raised GA prices to $10 each, but kept it First-come-first-serve GA, there would be a significant dropoff in non-student attendance. I don't think there would be, because like I said, I don't think it's about the money.

Charge $10 for non-student GA, same as reserved, and $5 for SRO/berm seating.

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I am not sure it's about money. I think the crazies in GA are in it more for the experience than for the price.

I pay about $10 for reserved seating. I wonder if you raised GA prices to $10 each, but kept it First-come-first-serve GA, there would be a significant dropoff in non-student attendance. I don't think there would be, because like I said, I don't think it's about the money.

Charge $10 for non-student GA, same as reserved, and $5 for SRO/berm seating.

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These aren't the poors complaining.

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it amazes me that some folks think that the right to buy cheap, individual game GA tickets on a single game basis that are of equal quality to the reserved seats on the 3rd base side, all sold as season tickets (reserved, not season, is a right that dates back to Magna Carta

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Other than the one correction I made, that right DID exist. Back to at least the early 80's, as told by several long-time fans on here.
The upper deck of 1st base side is exactly the same as the upper deck of 3rd base side.
One was GA, one was reserved.

...and it worked. It met the demand, created one of the best (if not the best) atmospheres in the entire nation, and spawned "Olsen Magic".

Nobody feels entitled to a seat or the right to a seat.
We're simply pointing out that a change was made. The change was a change for the worse, and was done at the 11th hour, throwing a wrench in many people's plans.

I agree Thunder. That's why if it's a money issue with the ADept, just raise GA prices a little. Now that I don't have a problem with. $8-10 or so is not unreasonable. Pay a little more, keep GA seating, sit by your friends and clown around like ya always have.

AggieBand2004:

Wrong. Back in the 80s, the only reserved seats upstairs were the armchairs in the center section. When demand justified it, the 3rd base side (which tended to be occupied by locals more than students) became reserved.

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What if it IS NOT a money issue? You'd be PISSED if they shrunk the student section at Kyle because of public seating. Why is it different at Olsen? The University has indicated over and over again that students are their priority in seating at Kyle and elsewhere. Why is this so suspect?

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While I'm at it.
DING DING DING!

Which is why I'm not shedding any tears over them being "mistreated".

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Why is it different at Olsen?

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For the five MILLIONTH time, because Olsen is not Kyle. I don't know how many times that can be repeated. Please, please stop comparing the 2.

No it isn't. Your problem is that you won't move on. Grow up.

Again. The need to explain it means THEY just don't get it. Never will. Flame away. I am sure I will get all types of responses. Especially from those who just want to stir the pot even if they DO get it. It's what texags is for!!!

Lekner.. I graduated recently - I have enough friends plus my brother that are current students that it's not a problem for me to get a student guest ticket and sit in those sections. Forgive me for still wanting to be involved in the game and be around a bunch of people who do as well instead.

That's what has always made Olsen special to me, and yes I want to still be a part of that. You're gonna tell me I shouldn't be able to just because I graduated?

Edited to bring it down a notch. My mistake to stoop down to yours and 2009's level.

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Students wouldn't fill up half the GA seating at most games. If the East Side was half full, those seats would go to the public, or at least donors. The AD overestimated student interest, I guarantee it. Your analogy sucks.

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Captain Pablo: I would agree that the AD did a poor job of communicating, but it amazes me that some folks think that the right to buy cheap, individual game GA tickets on a single game basis that are of equal quality to the reserved seats on the 3rd base side, all sold as season tickets, is a right that dates back to Magna Carta. Lot's of smart people saw the renovation project as a turning point for demand, and bought season tickets last year so as to be well positioned. That others just chose to assume that things would never change is not surprising given the sense of entitlement that runs rampant around here.

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I'm not sure there's going to be any demand to speak of if the atmosphere gets dismantled. Without the crowd, it's single A minor league baseball. People who love baseball or love Aggie sports in general will still be there, but the days of 5000+ in the stands for non-conference opponents could well be over.

Yeah, and seriously, think about it, apologists....could the administration have f***ed this up any worse if they tried? Seriously, this should have been a perfect weekend. There should have been TWO things talked about - the team performance, and the new digs. Instead - 20,000 emails, letters to the editor, newspaper stories, and a heap of pissed off long time supporters that have been waiting for years to see this day happen, only to be SCREWED over at the last minute by an administration looking for ways to kill off what was once the greatest venue in college baseball. The anger, negativism, and UTurns back to Houston SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

The defenders have nothing to defend. What should have been a perfect weekend was BOTCHED unnecessarily.

Capt P!

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Yeah, they just spent $30 million to improve the stadium, so it is quite obvious that all they want to do is "kill off" olsen.

Instead of actually working with the athletic department to come up with a solution that is beneficial to all parties, people just keep posting on texags about how they have been wronged. I haven't read through this whole thread, but has anyone actually put forth any actual recommendations to the AD to get this worked out or is everything that is sent to the AD full of hatred and pissed-offness?

YOU have ins to work with the AD? What a rich post you've placed here. You failed to choose well.

A response that OnlyForNow (and a number of others of us as well) got was posted earlier in the thread..

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Howdy,

Thanks for your input. We value all of our Aggie baseball fans and think the Olsen Field at Blue Bell Park experience will be a great one. With a new facility coming on board, we think the interest of students will be much higher than in past years. To start the season, the interests of our current students will come first on who gets to sit in the 201-204 GA seating section. That said, we will monitor attendance patterns during this first season of the new facility and make adjustments if they are appropriate.
Thanks for taking time to write.

Gig em!

Clint Dempsey
12th Man Foundation
Vice President, Operations

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So, short answer.. we didn't just send hate letters. We tried to explain our reasoning. They aren't interested in hearing it.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was a *****, whine, moan, and not actually do anything about it only thread. I thought this would be a good thread to point out something to actually do that could lead to a quicker resolution to this problem.

I don't see how it would be that hard to have some civilized dialogue with AD reps from at least a couple of the people that feel the strongest about this. It has been done with other sports so I'm would think that someone here could at least try.

But if nobody is willing to do that, then by all means, continue what you are doing.

DING DING DING DING DING! But someone has "ins". Maybe he/she/it can enlighten us.

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They are probably getting inundated with tons of emails and that response is probably a first round fire back. I bet they are actually listening and are discussing what needs to be done. Just because they are not saying what you guys want to hear doesn't mean they aren't listening. I'm just saying that it may take someone with a little more initiative than just an email campaign to get this situation resolved to the benefit of everyone.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was a *****, whine, moan, and not actually do anything about it only thread. I thought this would be a good thread to point out something to actually do that could lead to a quicker resolution to this problem.

I don't see how it would be that hard to have some civilized dialogue with AD reps from at least a couple of the people that feel the strongest about this. It has been done with other sports so I'm would think that someone here could at least try.

But if nobody is willing to do that, then by all means, continue what you are doing.

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IT'S BEYOND the AD. That is why there is no dialogue. Look at the whole Toole mess. HE is AD. Who do you think is f3&$!ng this monkey?

HINT: see my shield

dc - 1) This is the TMF's foul up, not the AD. 2) I have talked to both TMF employees and a member of their board. They have been made well aware (in a calm, mature fashion) that their decision is atrocious.

I think there are definitely some posters here who would be more than willing to have serious discussions with the folks in the 12MF about the situation to try and find a resolution. That would be assuming that they are actually interested in talking with us, though.. And my skepticism about that comes from how they handled the situation in the first place. They didn't seem to have any interest in even telling us a change was made until 2 days before, much less ask our opinions.. Why would they now?

And to edit for clarity, I have done the same as Band has, although maybe haven't spoken with anyone as high up. The feeling I got was "we are aware of your opinion on the matter" and that's about it.

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AB - Thanks for the clarification. I think what you did/are doing will lead to a better resolution to this situation.

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I haven't read through this whole thread, but has anyone actually put forth any actual recommendations to the AD to get this worked out or is everything that is sent to the AD full of hatred and pissed-offness?

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Maybe before calling out a bunch of people on a 20 plus page thread you should actually read it.

They have my home cell and work phone numbers and two emails addresses. It's balantly clear that they do not want to address the issue at this time.

OnlyForNow; I think the TMF employees probably have more important things to do than try to reach you on your cell phone to discuss your personal opinions / concerns. Once you've emailed / called and put your 2 cents in, give it a rest! They are not ignoring everyone's complaints. Give them a chance to do THEIR JOBS.

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Yeah guys, I mean they've done such a great job of this so far..

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They have my home cell and work phone numbers and two emails addresses. It's balantly clear that they do not want to address the issue at this time.

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It is my understanding that you sent an original email and received a response from TMF. Was there any followup on your part after that TMF response? If there was not followup response from you, they will assume that their response was acceptable to you and do not feel that any further contact is necessary. This is how any business will handle email correspondence. I know that when I am sending an email as a response to something from a client, if I do not hear anything back from them, I will assume they are okay with the response I have sent.

I sent an email immediately following the canned response, one Friday and one yesterday.

I know how to illicit responses, TMF is apperently choosing to ignore donors.

didn't someone say there were 21,000 emails?