Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
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WITCH HUNT!Double Diamond said:
Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
It brings up one of the coaches he hired who was already dirty when he hired him....
I was sort of hoping all of this was over. Who cares.
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Double Diamond said:
Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
Interesting....arguing against yourself with future arguments that haven't been made yet. OK...
I've never seen anybody on here question Turgeon's recruiting reputation.
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bobinator said:
I was sort of hoping all of this was over. Who cares.
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Best I can tell, lots of people are OK with it, at least in the form it is taking here; or they think it should be an NCAA and not an FBI matter.Hop said:bobinator said:
I was sort of hoping all of this was over. Who cares.
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Then again, I don't think the NCAA can solve an Encyclopedia Brown mystery, let alone figure this scheme out.
Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
This FBI stuff at least gave Rick Pitino a commuppance that he had managed to avoid so many times before.
Never going to be over to the system changes. Nobody is clear.
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If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
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expresswrittenconsent said:
Hilarious to find religion when the sport is far more corrupt than the 3rd world governments referenced.
Feel free to go live in Venezuela, Chad, North Korea, Congo, Guinea, etc. and see how that works out for you. Of all things to argue about, that may be the most ridiculous statement I've seen on this website.
I agree that it is idiotic that your response to a point that college hoops is extremely corrupt was that one should go live in North Korea to see what a 3rd world country is like.
Hop said:
If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).
Yeah, I clearly meant that as a blanket statement that our entire society should operate by, not just this one specific case of college basketball.
Having lived in latin America now for about 20 years, I almost thought about jumping into this discussion of 3rd world life style & politics, but I decided to defer.
Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Holy over the top asinine analogy, Batman!
You and your ****hole lifestyle!Pumpkinhead said:
Having lived in latin America now for about 20 years, I almost thought about jumping into this discussion of 3rd world life style & politics, but I decided to defer.
The NCAA seems pretty toothless given that UNCheat got away with 25 years of fake classes to keep their ballers eligible and hang banners. They claimed admission of fraud to SACS (which placed the entire university on probation) was a "typo." The notion of "student-athlete" has been reduced to a fraudulent abstraction...unless the tutors and secretaries that wrote and graded their papers were hookers. fail
Aztec Aggie said:Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Holy over the top asinine analogy, Batman!
"You're going to poke your eye out with that central African country! Why do you do this to your father and me?"
My favorite part of the UNC scandal is that the university insisted that it wasn't athletic cheating because they let regular students also take the "free A" classes also. They said it with no regard for the fact that it actually makes their school look worse.
If they're actually going to bust every team that is cheating, then I'm for it. If we're only going to bust 5% of the teams cheating, it's a waste.
Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Yes, because college basketball is the same as governments. I'm with Bob, who cares? Every school does it and anyone following college hoops closely already knew it was happening.
I think you should be able to play in the NBA out of HS, but the NCAA has no say in that, and as long as the rules are as they are now, schools will find a way to buy players in both football and basketball. I find both very entertaining regardless of that fact and I don't care. As mentioned, doesn't the FBI have better things to do?
At the end of the day its all about money. Just like everything else.
Turgeon missed the NCAA last season and has seemed to have generally a polarizing relationship with the fanbase there. if Maryland is looking for an excuse to can him while saving buyout money, this might eventually given them one.
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2nd Generation Ag said:
At the end of the day its all about money. Just like everything else.
And most crimes are just about money. Organized crime is just all about the money, right?
These were ongoing major federal crimes in a multi-billion dollar business. We're talking significant bribery and wire fraud. This isnt just a case about cheating NCAA schools. In fact, the FBI sees academic institutions as one of the victims here. It's about one of the largest clothing companies in the world bribing players and their mentors to go to a certain school that wears their clothing and shoes. That is illegal and it isn't nickel and dime stuff.
So a multi-billion dollar clothing company is bribing critical components in a multi-billion dollar business (NCAA basketball) made up of publically funded academic institutions to gain an unfair advantage over competition. That doesn't meet your relevancy test?
That's the classic scenario of why you want the FBI investigating this deal. There is no other legal entity that realistically can investigate or enforce the rule of law here.
The FBI found out the Mob was involved in the Boston College point shaving scandal in the late 1970's. If there is money to made institutionally with no checks or balances, organized crime usually finds its way into the system eventually. Sports is based on the perception that it is an honest game where both teams are 100% motivated to win. Billions of dollars are being wagered on the honest outcome of sporting events.
I'd say deterring future potential organized crime activities in a multi-billion dollar business revolved around sports meets the bar for an FBI investigation.
You live in San Antonio?Pumpkinhead said:
Having lived in latin America now for about 20 years, I almost thought about jumping into this discussion of 3rd world life style & politics, but I decided to defer.
This thread took a bizzare turn!
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expresswrittenconsent said:
My favorite part of the UNC scandal is that the university insisted that it wasn't athletic cheating because they let regular students also take the "free A" classes also. They said it with no regard for the fact that it actually makes their school look worse.
A lot of them were frat guys who found out about the fake sections from the athletes. There's an email thread in the evidence stack where a secretary and faculty are complaining to each other that the frat guys have sniffed out and are registering in the "irregular classes."
I guess it depends on your definition of significant. I don't care for it because of two main things.
1) The whole system is absurd, everyone is doing something, and this isn't going to do anything to change that: If the NCAA and NBA wanted to sit down and completely overhaul the grassroots system of basketball, I'd be all for it. But there's no way that's going to happen because there's too much money in it for everyone involved.
I could post 4,000 words on exactly how insane grassroots basketball system is, but the story of Hennssy Auriantal, Charles Bassey, St. Anthony's and now Western Kentucky are a good current example of just how broken this whole system is.
Until they decide to pay the players directly, this is going to continue.
2) Nothing going on in this whole situation is hurting American taxpayers: It's a really stupid situation, but the only money that's being wasted here is money from the big shoe companies, so I really don't care.
The only reason that the academic institutions are being presented as victims is because that's one of the only ways the FBI has come up with to pin an actual charge on them. They're claiming the schools are victims because the actions of these people open up the schools to financial risk because of potential NCAA violations. But there wouldn't be any NCAA violations without the investigation itself. It's like me lighting your house on fire using gasoline and matches that you left inside your house and then saying your house is at risk of fire so you're a potential victim of fire.
It's nothing like a point shaving scandal where it's secretly impacting the outcomes of games and TV contracts and advertising dollars and all that sort of stuff is involved.
1) The whole system is absurd, everyone is doing something, and this isn't going to do anything to change that: If the NCAA and NBA wanted to sit down and completely overhaul the grassroots system of basketball, I'd be all for it. But there's no way that's going to happen because there's too much money in it for everyone involved.
I could post 4,000 words on exactly how insane grassroots basketball system is, but the story of Hennssy Auriantal, Charles Bassey, St. Anthony's and now Western Kentucky are a good current example of just how broken this whole system is.
Until they decide to pay the players directly, this is going to continue.
2) Nothing going on in this whole situation is hurting American taxpayers: It's a really stupid situation, but the only money that's being wasted here is money from the big shoe companies, so I really don't care.
The only reason that the academic institutions are being presented as victims is because that's one of the only ways the FBI has come up with to pin an actual charge on them. They're claiming the schools are victims because the actions of these people open up the schools to financial risk because of potential NCAA violations. But there wouldn't be any NCAA violations without the investigation itself. It's like me lighting your house on fire using gasoline and matches that you left inside your house and then saying your house is at risk of fire so you're a potential victim of fire.
It's nothing like a point shaving scandal where it's secretly impacting the outcomes of games and TV contracts and advertising dollars and all that sort of stuff is involved.
Let's say hypothetically Rick Pitino paid a 5-star player 100K + free hookers during their recruiting visit (I know, a crazy scenario, but let's pretend Pitino might actually be okay with that kind of stuff going on), and that 5-star player (to Pitino's surprise!) committed to Louisville. Would you consider other schools who were trying to recruit that same player a 'victim' of Louisville's activities? Would you consider schools (and the fans of those schools) who lost games to Louisville because they didn't have as much talent as 'victims'?bobinator said:
I guess it depends on your definition of significant. I don't care for it because of two main things.
1) The whole system is absurd, everyone is doing something, and this isn't going to do anything to change that: If the NCAA and NBA wanted to sit down and completely overhaul the grassroots system of basketball, I'd be all for it. But there's no way that's going to happen because there's too much money in it for everyone involved.
I could post 4,000 words on exactly how insane grassroots basketball system is, but the story of Hennssy Auriantal, Charles Bassey, St. Anthony's and now Western Kentucky are a good current example of just how broken this whole system is.
Until they decide to pay the players directly, this is going to continue.
2) Nothing going on in this whole situation is hurting American taxpayers: It's a really stupid situation, but the only money that's being wasted here is money from the big shoe companies, so I really don't care.
The only reason that the academic institutions are being presented as victims is because that's one of the only ways the FBI has come up with to pin an actual charge on them. They're claiming the schools are victims because the actions of these people open up the schools to financial risk because of potential NCAA violations. But there wouldn't be any NCAA violations without the investigation itself. It's like me lighting your house on fire using gasoline and matches that you left inside your house and then saying your house is at risk of fire so you're a potential victim of fire.
It's nothing like a point shaving scandal where it's secretly impacting the outcomes of games and TV contracts and advertising dollars and all that sort of stuff is involved.
We're all a victim of your overzealous positive spin on everything but you don't see us asking the FBI to get involved.
UNC figured it out. You can cheat as long as you offer the cheating to all students.
That's not the scenario here. If the FBI had proof that a college coach was organizing prostitutes for (potentially underage) players, then yeah, that's pretty clearly a serious crime worth investigating (though it also seems like a local police issue? I'm not a jurisdictional expert.)Pumpkinhead said:
Let's say hypothetically Rick Pitino paid a 5-star player 100K + free hookers during their recruiting visit (I know, a crazy scenario, but let's pretend Pitino might actually be okay with that kind of stuff going on), and that 5-star player (to Pitino's surprise!) committed to Louisville. Would you consider other schools who were trying to recruit that same player a 'victim' of Louisville's activities? Would you consider schools (and the fans of those schools) who lost games to Louisville because they didn't have as much talent as 'victims'?
Or, if the FBI could prove that university money was being funneled directly to player's pockets, then that would probably be worth investigating because universities, that do receive taxpayer money, would be directly involved.
That's not the situation though.
They're saying that shoe companies are funneling money through assistants to people associated with the players or the players themselves, and that the schools are victims because this money funneling scheme opens the schools up to potential NCAA violations if the scheme is ever discovered.
Painting the school that's doing the cheating as a victim is laughable, but that's what they're doing.
It's about shoe companies. Pitino was the fall guy over stuff every school is involved in.
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