Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
WITCH HUNT!Double Diamond said:
Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
Double Diamond said:
Here comes the Turgeon bashing. Not once is he brought up in this. That school has deep connections with Under Armor. Way above Turgeon pay-grade.
bobinator said:
I was sort of hoping all of this was over. Who cares.
Best I can tell, lots of people are OK with it, at least in the form it is taking here; or they think it should be an NCAA and not an FBI matter.Hop said:bobinator said:
I was sort of hoping all of this was over. Who cares.
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
expresswrittenconsent said:
Hilarious to find religion when the sport is far more corrupt than the 3rd world governments referenced.
Hop said:
If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).
Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
You and your ****hole lifestyle!Pumpkinhead said:
Having lived in latin America now for about 20 years, I almost thought about jumping into this discussion of 3rd world life style & politics, but I decided to defer.
Aztec Aggie said:Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
Holy over the top asinine analogy, Batman!
Hop said:If we applied your high standard of "eh, if everybody is doing it, who cares" morality, then we'd be on par with (insert chaotic third world Central American, African, or Eastern European country here).bobinator said:Yeah, I mean everyone is doing it, so who cares? I also definitely think it's an epic waste of taxpayer money for the FBI to be involved.Hop said:
Why would you want the investigation of institutional cheating to go away? You are OK with widespread cheating in college basketball?
2nd Generation Ag said:
At the end of the day its all about money. Just like everything else.
You live in San Antonio?Pumpkinhead said:
Having lived in latin America now for about 20 years, I almost thought about jumping into this discussion of 3rd world life style & politics, but I decided to defer.
expresswrittenconsent said:
My favorite part of the UNC scandal is that the university insisted that it wasn't athletic cheating because they let regular students also take the "free A" classes also. They said it with no regard for the fact that it actually makes their school look worse.
Let's say hypothetically Rick Pitino paid a 5-star player 100K + free hookers during their recruiting visit (I know, a crazy scenario, but let's pretend Pitino might actually be okay with that kind of stuff going on), and that 5-star player (to Pitino's surprise!) committed to Louisville. Would you consider other schools who were trying to recruit that same player a 'victim' of Louisville's activities? Would you consider schools (and the fans of those schools) who lost games to Louisville because they didn't have as much talent as 'victims'?bobinator said:
I guess it depends on your definition of significant. I don't care for it because of two main things.
1) The whole system is absurd, everyone is doing something, and this isn't going to do anything to change that: If the NCAA and NBA wanted to sit down and completely overhaul the grassroots system of basketball, I'd be all for it. But there's no way that's going to happen because there's too much money in it for everyone involved.
I could post 4,000 words on exactly how insane grassroots basketball system is, but the story of Hennssy Auriantal, Charles Bassey, St. Anthony's and now Western Kentucky are a good current example of just how broken this whole system is.
Until they decide to pay the players directly, this is going to continue.
2) Nothing going on in this whole situation is hurting American taxpayers: It's a really stupid situation, but the only money that's being wasted here is money from the big shoe companies, so I really don't care.
The only reason that the academic institutions are being presented as victims is because that's one of the only ways the FBI has come up with to pin an actual charge on them. They're claiming the schools are victims because the actions of these people open up the schools to financial risk because of potential NCAA violations. But there wouldn't be any NCAA violations without the investigation itself. It's like me lighting your house on fire using gasoline and matches that you left inside your house and then saying your house is at risk of fire so you're a potential victim of fire.
It's nothing like a point shaving scandal where it's secretly impacting the outcomes of games and TV contracts and advertising dollars and all that sort of stuff is involved.
That's not the scenario here. If the FBI had proof that a college coach was organizing prostitutes for (potentially underage) players, then yeah, that's pretty clearly a serious crime worth investigating (though it also seems like a local police issue? I'm not a jurisdictional expert.)Pumpkinhead said:
Let's say hypothetically Rick Pitino paid a 5-star player 100K + free hookers during their recruiting visit (I know, a crazy scenario, but let's pretend Pitino might actually be okay with that kind of stuff going on), and that 5-star player (to Pitino's surprise!) committed to Louisville. Would you consider other schools who were trying to recruit that same player a 'victim' of Louisville's activities? Would you consider schools (and the fans of those schools) who lost games to Louisville because they didn't have as much talent as 'victims'?