Are rounds lasting 5+ hours? They thought pace would be slow due to several factors with the course layout.
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Sam just stuck his second shot within 8 ft on 5
Birdied 5.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Sam just stuck his second shot within 8 ft on 5
Back to -1
BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
We'll see. Really only 2 guys went low. I'm guessing the greens firm up and it ends up being a tough test.
And the USGA routinely screwed this tourney up by trying to make par the winning score. Greens that wouldn't hold good shots. Having to have guys come out and spray the greens between shots. I'm not yearning for those clusterFs.
Scottie's 3 putt on 18 might end up ****ing me. I had a Scottie top 10 after round 1 at +225, which he most definitely will be, but the payout odds are going to be screwy because there is a pile up at -2.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The PGA may have been " tougher" but not a better test. When fairways are that tight, no one is hitting them and driving accuracy doesn't matter. When rough is that thick, ball striking doesn't matter as much because they just hack out and it's a distance game.
This weeks set up will allow more styles of play to actually play. Long, narrow and thick rough really sets up for a bomber 4 times out of 5. Some clever wedge play in addition to driving the ball will be critical this week
Brooks is +3 thru 6. not a great start.
Rory came out hot though!
Rory came out hot though!
Early in the broadcast someone stated there was a little rain this morning. That and the marine layer took the fire out of the course. Sun still has not come out to dry it out.
Really disappointed in the course setup; this may as well be the John Deere Classic. These guys are tearing this place up.
Ooph bad miss by Sam
2wealfth Man said:
Really disappointed in the course setup; this may as well be the John Deere Classic. These guys are tearing this place up.
So? It's still going to identify the best golfer. Who cares about score.
Rickie missed one fairway in the entire round. What do you want them to do??2wealfth Man said:
Really disappointed in the course setup; this may as well be the John Deere Classic. These guys are tearing this place up.
Only two players went low. Hell even when Brooks won at Shinnecock in 2018 at +1, a few people threw some super low rounds out there. Fleetwood almost charged to win it with a final round 63 (-7). It's a long weekend. Both Scaucfele and Fowler couldn't miss today.
I have not missed Azinger.
This is the same golf I see on the Tour every damn week. how is Rory hitting driver and tap in testing "all the clubs in his bag". There are Par 5's shorter than most par 4's. Whole thing seems off kilter. Maybe if the course dries out?Buck Compton said:Rickie missed one fairway in the entire round. What do you want them to do??2wealfth Man said:
Really disappointed in the course setup; this may as well be the John Deere Classic. These guys are tearing this place up.
Only two players went low. Hell even when Brooks won at Shinnecock in 2018 at +1, a few people threw some super low rounds out there. Fleetwood almost charged to win it with a final round 63 (-7). It's a long weekend. Both Scaucfele and Fowler couldn't miss today.
Agree. But that's the risk they take coming out to LA. Not going to get a ton of wind, likely not going to get any major weather conditions. So it's up to the course setup, and they struggled to get the rough off the fairways high enough.
With the marine layer lingering over this is target golf if you're dialed in. Still definitely punishing the people who aren't though.
Let's give it a couple more days before we make any big judgments, but i'm fully with you in not wanting to see a pair of 62's open up the tournament.
With the marine layer lingering over this is target golf if you're dialed in. Still definitely punishing the people who aren't though.
Let's give it a couple more days before we make any big judgments, but i'm fully with you in not wanting to see a pair of 62's open up the tournament.
I kinda agree so far. This is playing very easy. I'm sure it'll firm up some over the next few days but today looks like any ordinary tour stop, with a label of US Open. Many normal stops have played tougher than this.
Maybe it was the rain, but the greens are softer than most normal tour stops. Again, im sure it'll change (or at least I hope it will).
Maybe it was the rain, but the greens are softer than most normal tour stops. Again, im sure it'll change (or at least I hope it will).
Nice to see Sam getting some tv time even if he has missed two birdie putts.
1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff. I'd take Shinnecock 2018 over this.
Harman with a 30 on the front nine; absolute joke! I also think the USGA doesn't have enough experience with this course in a championship setup. They are going to have to go with some crazy pin placements going forward unless they are good with 18 to 20 under as a winning score.
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
2wealfth Man said:
Harman with a 30 on the front nine; absolute joke! I also think the USGA doesn't have enough experience with this course in a championship setup. They are going to have to go with some crazy pin placements going forward unless they are good with 18 to 20 under as a winning score.
There were also two aces on #15. These guys are good.
Calm down Michael Block2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
Just enjoy the round.
2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
I feel like they should have pivoted to extremely tough pin positions today given how the last couple days played out weather wise. Then they could have dialed back and eased up had they gone too extreme.
my biggest issue right now is that this is grip and rip golf…..there is no "test". These guys are shooting darts.Bunk Moreland said:2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
I feel like they should have pivoted to extremely tough pin positions today given how the last couple days played out weather wise. Then they could have dialed back and eased up had they gone too extreme.
Bennett birdied 11.
I'm enjoying seeing Sam Bennet at -3 through 11 holes.
2wealfth Man said:my biggest issue right now is that this is grip and rip golf…..there is no "test". These guys are shooting darts.Bunk Moreland said:2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
I feel like they should have pivoted to extremely tough pin positions today given how the last couple days played out weather wise. Then they could have dialed back and eased up had they gone too extreme.
The test is shooting a lower score than the rest of the field no matter the course conditions or setup. That's all tournament golf is.
So the US Open is just another "tournament" with all the layers of qualifying, etc. why bother? This course may yet rise up and prove me a fool; I am not seeing it right now.1872walker said:2wealfth Man said:my biggest issue right now is that this is grip and rip golf…..there is no "test". These guys are shooting darts.Bunk Moreland said:2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
I feel like they should have pivoted to extremely tough pin positions today given how the last couple days played out weather wise. Then they could have dialed back and eased up had they gone too extreme.
The test is shooting a lower score than the rest of the field no matter the course conditions or setup. That's all tournament golf is.
1872walker said:2wealfth Man said:my biggest issue right now is that this is grip and rip golf…..there is no "test". These guys are shooting darts.Bunk Moreland said:2wealfth Man said:this is 4/10 difficulty right now…..1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:1872walker said:Hubert J. Farnsworth said:BayAg_14 said:
Come on USGA. I want to see these boys squirm. 62 in back to back groups is ridiculous.
The USGA lost their teeth when that new guy came in with his "tough but fair" ideas for setting up the courses. We've had 3 straight years of -6 winning it and so far this tournament is starting to look like Erin Hills in 2017 and Congressional in 2011. It's looking like the PGA Championship will have been a tougher challenge this year.
The USGA has shifted from making things impossible to going to putting the best players on the best courses in the country. Part of that is host clubs and courses not wanting the USGA to wreck the architectural integrity of their course and ruin play for their membership for months.
It's refreshing.
Things were not impossible because winners were still able to shoot -1, E or +1. That's what the US Open is supposed to be. It's supposed to be the toughest challenge in golf. I don't like this "tough but fair" stuff.
It's day 1. The USGA doesn't want to lose this course like they usually did (Shinnecock, Chambers), so they have to ease into the tough conditions. That's what they always do. The weekend will be tougher. They just weren't expecting the weather last night and today.
The difference in the last few years is that they're making it a 8/10 difficulty rather than the usual 12/10.
This is day 1. Pin positions and playing conditions will change.
I feel like they should have pivoted to extremely tough pin positions today given how the last couple days played out weather wise. Then they could have dialed back and eased up had they gone too extreme.
The test is shooting a lower score than the rest of the field no matter the course conditions or setup. That's all tournament golf is.
Yes, and that test is sometimes much easier or harder than others. The course difficulty still matters. This US Open is anything but tough right now. It's ok to acknowledge that. We want a tough test so we can see which of the world's best can handle the difficulty. I'm not interested in Driver wedge for 4 days this weekend.
There were 8 rounds in the 80s on Day 1 at the Memorial two weeks ago. So far there are none @usopengolf.
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