JCA1 said:

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aggiebonzo said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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Legacy's in golf are built on Majors. Not John Deere Classic and Rocket Mortgage victories.

Again, I personally believe there is/was some truth in Rahm looking at LIV

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There is absolutely no truth to it but believe what you want. If he was going to leave it would've been when DJ, Brooks, or even Cam left. Why would he leave when the future of LIV was as bleak as its ever been with horrible TV coverage, no major sponsors, and little boy golf courses. He's not an idiot.

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They believe that. And that everyone, including networks and companies with no discernable reason to do so, decided to collude with the PGAT. And that their phone is now ringing off the hook from companies that want to get on the LIV train even though it's far from clear what role LIV will even have, if any, in golf going forward. And that there is no conceivable reason other than collusion for why they never got a TV deal other than the CW (and it's never quite explained why the CW wasn't part of that collusion). And that their miniscule fanbase would be enormous if only people had some way to watch (Youtube, LIV website, and the CW apparently don't count).

LIV good. Everyone else bad. It is what it is. There's really no arguing with it. I'm disappointed in myself for trying.

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Funny you mention that. We've been down this road countless times. There are maybe 2 or 3 people on this board who are "LIV good. everyone else bad."

There are others who are interested and have been interested in what LIV is doing and still love and enjoy the PGAT.

There are maybe 2 or 3 that are just generally bummed that the tour got split.

Then there's a ton of people who are 100% anti LIV no matter what and can't conceivably imagine that entities as prominent as Jimmy Dunne, the PGAT with all their mega corporate sponsors and the main golf bodies would ever lean on their media partners to try and keep LIV down over the last year, even though they've all but admitted to doing so.

They go back to the same well making the same tropes over and over. First they'd never get anyone of name, until they did. Then they only got guys over the hill, until they took the Open champ. Then it was exhibition golf, until they showed up and competed then won a major. Then it would never survive, until it appears the PGAT wasn't going to survive and PIF infused money and life into the Tour.

So excuse the very small number of people here who aren't convinced LIV is 100% going away just yet. Because the predictions by one loud faction have been wrong time and time again throughout the saga.

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I'm in the minority but also don't think LIV is going away. They're goal was global golf. Picking up the slack and shortcomings of the WGC.

Are international ratings a thing? How would Adelaide compare to the Zurich to international markets? How would Adelaide compare to an Australia WGC event?

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The branding and some of the format is probably going away. The concept of an elite tier, global league certainly is not.

Funny to watch people take such strong stances...no one knows what's gonna happen. Endless options right now really....should be fun to see what the end product looks like

I'm excited to get to watch all top players have access to all tournaments though...Cam, Koepka, DJ, Bryson, Phil make golf better

I don't understand the hate either.

The merger was good for the game

class of 03 said:

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Everyone playing together, if we get that, is great for golf fans, which I'm one.

Still, I'll have my fun with LIV's failures because LIV negatively impacted golf fans, which I'm one, two years ago.

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LIV's failures???

Phil and LIV accomplished what they set out to do

Rahm won the US Open and Masters.

class of 03 said:

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LIV failures: getting genuine interest from golf community or bringing new eyeballs to golf (no reason to explain this again and again), team golf, team golf franchises, shotgun start, etc.

We can agree to disagree on these.

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Failed so hard they now control things.

aggiebonzo said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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Legacy's in golf are built on Majors. Not John Deere Classic and Rocket Mortgage victories.

Again, I personally believe there is/was some truth in Rahm looking at LIV

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There is absolutely no truth to it but believe what you want. If he was going to leave it would've been when DJ, Brooks, or even Cam left. Why would he leave when the future of LIV was as bleak as its ever been with horrible TV coverage, no major sponsors, and little boy golf courses. He's not an idiot.

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lol. You have to be trolling??

"Why would he leave?

Why would the PGA tour sell out to the Saudis?

Oh yeah! Because $$$$$$$$

I could see there being some truth with rahm. He's made it more than clear that he values legacy above all else and wants to be remembered as one of the greats, meaning majors. Once it became clear majors would be open to LIV players, I could see him looking at a 400-500M payday easily. He's also a lot more family-oriented vs a lot of the tour players and why his wife and kiddos travel with him often. Compound that with wanting to be in Europe more to be close to family and friends, sure

Jimmy Dunne is a tough one to figure out. He sure as heck is looking like a giant hypocrite. As recently as a few months ago he wouldn't let any LIV players play in his Pro/Member at Seminole.