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The real joke is that this is the same stuff that has been coming out the last 5-6 years. In the end, his higher ranked UT slanted players have been winning the head to head against all the poor aggie players that get moved down in his rankings the more he sees of each player.

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Raheem,

I am not talking about 5 years ago, or last year, or any other year. I am talking here and now.

You have a player that went from outside the top 100 to #14 based on his blocking skills in a highlight reel?

This isn't Texas vs. Texas A&M, this is me questioning one man and his low integrity in running his service. He is being dishonest with himself, and cheating these teenagers.

Someone post "Ketch Watch". It's hilarious.

Like I said, until we starting winning on the field and head-to-head recruiting, we can not expose tubby.

I'm not defending him because frankly you guys wouldn't change your opinion but bear in mind that the early list are rough and change dramatically.

I like looking at these lists but I also know that producing early lists just creates this litany of posts about every single change. The funny thing is that you basically are griping about someone else's opinion.

You guys seem to care alot about something you hold no value in.

You could always create your own list if it bugs you that much. I'll easily grant you that it will have as much bearing in any coaches opinion and the ultimate outcome.

Taylor Potts is a TEXAS TECH commit. Tech is my least favorite school, and I loathe my every experience in Lubbock, Texas.

BUT even with that, I am still outraged by the drop of Taylor Potts from #8 to #32, and the massive jumps of guys like Britt Mitchell and Derke Robinson.

Thingy,
Bobby Burton was the one who was so high on Derke Robinson after he committed. He couldn't stop raving about the guy after seeing his film.

Britt Mitchell's coach said that he was the best player on his team, and that team includes Eddie Jones.

The only thing less surprising than Ketchum moving these guys around is you guys complaining about it.

It's April... why wouldn't his list change as he gets more video and talks to more coaches and prospects? And for the record, Goodson got moved up from 20 to 6 when it was thought he was an Aggie commit.

Other nuggets: Orie Lemon considered a big Texas lean drops from 4 to 9. Daniel Johnson, who there hasn't been any kind of update on for UT goes from 96 to 8. Where's the conspiracy theory with him? Sherrod Harris actually got dropped from 9 to 19 -- he's supposed to be a big Texas lean. Dustin Earnest commited to UT and got dropped from 19 to 24. Robert Joseph, another UT commit got dropped from 13 to 25. Buck Burnette, another UT commit dropped from 24 to 27.

Duggan,

The difference is his list is consistently quoted in various state newspapers. They publish it and they give it a lot of credibility, and this is why I am scrutinizing it.

I am not saying Orangebloods.com should not have lists, but do it right!

all I can say is in the longrun it will wind up hurting their program. It will look like mack cannot develope players (which in many cases is true ie. QB) and severely hurt his reputation.

Thingy - I'm not defending him. To be honest I think you are comparing one bad list (his earlier one) to another bad list(his more recent one). However, I do think the closer we get to the final rankings, the more accurate it will get based on past history and on the field results.

BTW, on Mitchell. The Kilgore coach says he is one of the best players he has ever seen - including Jones. I would imagine that has alot to do with it.

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Bobby Burton was the one who was so high on Derke Robinson after he committed. He couldn't stop raving about the guy after seeing his film.

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Can't the same be said about Burton and Jerrod Johnson? Jerrod is not even in the Top 50.

I just wish he would be a little more consistent across the board with what he does.

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all I can say is in the longrun it will wind up hurting their program.

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Maybe in some people's eyes, but when things get rolling like they are now with recruiting, alot of kids want to jump on and be a part of something special.

Bobby Burton's remarks less than two weeks ago on the Texas QB's:

"The only true "big" issue I have with the list is the over-rating of the Texas QBs. This is a good class in the state, but it's still not like the class of two years ago. And, Texas-bred QBs still don't have a track record worth a flip.

Snead and Harris aren't 4* QBs IMO. And, I like Potts (the kid committed to Tech) better than both of them.

Thanks, Bobby"

Harris #19, Snead #20, Potts from #8 to #32

JOKE.

"BUT even with that, I am still outraged by the drop of Taylor Potts from #8 to #32, and the massive jumps of guys like Britt Mitchell and Derke Robinson."
Brah, you have serious emotional problems or at the very least, a serious problem with priorities. You get OUTRAGED because of the rankings of some 17 and 18 year-old kids? That doesn't say much for you, does it?
As someone posted this is the exact same stuff that gets posted every year. Of course you conveniently argue that you're "talking about here and now"
It's the same tired argument that you guys spewed the last few years R.C. was here, saying that you actually out-recruited UT but were simply the victim of biased rankings.

Hookem

Thingy, go back to the list and read the footnotes about L. Cooper, L. Hewitt, T. Reese, Symonette and B. Ellis.

deuceswild, got this thing right though, IT IS KETCH'S LIST, so if you don't like it, make your own list.

was gonna stay out of it until honky mentioned mack.

Honky, mack can't develop? Many cases? Go. List. BTW, I said DEVELOP, not utilize. Roy williams developed. He just wasn't utilized. I'll go ahead and say Chris Simms. Next.

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The strength of recruiting classes is not the only factor toward producing wins. Attrition has hurt A&M much worse than poor recruiting classes.

Doubt it as long as texas keeps winning 9-10 games a year.

deuceswild, that's a really bad arguement. First of all, I doubt your level of attriton any higher than the average loss of players throughout the country. Secondly, why do you think there is attrition?...the players who leave just aren't very good. You have to do something TERRIBLE to get kicked off a college team if you've got talent. The truth is that the ags recruiting has been atrocious in the past few seasons. Last year was a little better, but Fran's going to have to start dominating on the field or cheating if your recruiting is going to be good again.

Regarding Ketchum's weight: I met him at the Orange and White game and whoever that is in ya'lls pictures is definitely not him. The guy I met is bald (shaved head) and maybe 5'10" and 190 .lbs.

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So why at 11 and now not there at all? Why put him there in the first place then? What has CHANGED?

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What has changed, apparently, is that nobody knows how Cooper's knee is. Ketchum had him ranked very high before because Latreal was saying that his knee had completely healed. Now, per both Ketchum and the Websider guys, that might not be true.

And another thing that has changed is that, since January-February, a lot more tape has come in. Only a stupid man would not change his opinion in light of new evidence.

Thats hilarious fish.

We will finish with a Top 15 class again, however we will never out haul texas until we start beating them at least every other year.

Roy Williams was "developed. He just wasn't utilized."


He set nearly every receiving record at Texas at a time when Cedric Benson was becoming fifth all time on the NCAA rushing lists.

What do you mean Roy wasn't utilized?

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And another thing that has changed is that, since January-February, a lot more tape has come in. Only a stupid man would not change his opinion in light of new evidence.

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Thingys point is this, why put out a list until you've seen all the tapes? It seems unethical to put out a list and rank these players and get paid to do so if you haven't seen all the tape. How convient to have texas kids rated higher than most when that's what you follow.

Using that logic, there would be one list only late in the year or early next year.

But the market is interested in seeing something and thus early, sketchy lists are generated. The caviet that everyones seems to understand and yet ignore is they will be changed.

The best indicator of talent will be who the coaches offer. Period. Everything else is to be taken with a grain of salt. Personally I like seeing lists because generally a consensus dictates a good player.

Overwhelmingly, Rivals is used as the list to which papers refer.

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It seems unethical to put out a list and rank these players and get paid to do so if you haven't seen all the tape.

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As long as you note that it is still early and that you haven't seen any tape on many of these guys, how is that unethical? Everybody knows that it is early.

Websider has a top 100 list out and I don't believe that they've seen any more tape than Ketchum. Are they also unethical?

RIVALS itself --- the national RIVALS ---- has a top 100 list out. It was released on Feb. 9th.

"unethical" wasn't my word.

I don't give a rats ass about Ketch or these lists anyhow. Its not worth the energy to get all worked up over some lard-ass loser's list.

Why should Robinson be penalized in the rankings just because people didn't know about him as early as a few other guys? Same goes for some other prospects who made strong debuts. And why shouldn't Robinson and Mitchell debut highly based on strong highlight reels? Isn't that the same as pretty much every other prospect? Stats, highlight tapes and offer lists. Robinson has a on offer from Texas, an impressive highlight tape and impressive stats. Mitchell has an offer from UT and aTm and some pretty strong endorsements.

What do some other prospects in that zip code have that Robinson and Mitchell lack?

Maybe they're a little high in the rankings but both are obviously players. The fact is that if people had been aware of them earlier and they had been on the early watch lists and we possessed the same amount of information as we do now about him nobody would be complaining about their relative rankings.

Next, I noticed some of you guys didn't even bother to read down the list before going on hysterical rants.

It says:

* The following players were unranked because of injuries: Luflin cornerback Leonard Hewitt, Cuero running back Latreal Cooper, Houston St. Pius offensive lineman Ian Symonette and Pflugerville Hendrickson wide receiver Terrell Reese. UT defensive end commitment Brian Ellis was not ranked because he has not yet been evaluated.


Duh.

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Crazy, that list is so biased that it has less sip commits in the top 10 than websiders list. Its also incredibly biased by moving the ags top commit up 15 spots to the top 10.

How insane is it that lists change after video of prospects come in? Nuts if you ask me. Im sure the word of mouth list after the JR year is far better than the post evaluation list.

For those that are easily shocked, Ellis will be moved from Unranked to (gasp) ranked somewhere after the tapes are viewed.

Oh by the way, Ive heard the same crap from aggies for the last 5 years and frankly, Ketch's lists have held up far, far, far better than any list from any aggie site.

Of course I will hear again and again how our classes suck in comparison to yours, that our recruits are overrated and that our coaches suck too.

I love it when horns come to the defense of their chubby friend.

I love it when Aggies use their recruiting BBS to start threads about a Longhorn recruiting reporter.

reporter? The guy you saw at the Orange and White game was the guy Ketch ate for dinner.

Once again, I have never claimed that A&M has outrecruited Texas. You guys have killed us on the top end of nearly every class in the last 10 years. It is the Derke Robinson's that I find ridiculous.

He is bumping all these guys up a ridiculous amount so that next month and the next, he can drop them ever so slightly and say, "see UT committs dropped this month, I am not biased, you gonna eat that?". He does this every year early on.

Why do you Aggies even care?

I certainly don't care about websider's list, even though their top 10 appears more biased towards Texas than Ketchum's.

Heard the same thing about Michael Huff and Nathan Vasher.

You guys have cried about Ketch's rankings for years and years now, this is just verse 5.

One problem with your argument, A&M hasn't even covered the spread in losing to Texas the past 5 years.

And spare me the attrition. A lot of that attrition was because the players simply weren't any good. I mean how many of your "injury retirements" ended up playing football at ACU?

The reason Cooper wasn't ranked is the same reason Hewitt(UT lean) and the St. Pius lineman(Miami bound most likely) weren't. They were injured last year and therefor can't be fully evaluated.