If t.u. goes to the PAC-12 or Big 10, their further travel distances will hurt them in recruiting -- A&M's recruiting edge will skyrocket.

not sec good

Longhorn carcass in alley this morning, boot tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of us. We have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of orange blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their ghey sex and greed will foam up about their waists and all the horns and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and We'll look down and whisper "No."

Would YOU vote for this?

For over a year I have said on more than one occasion that Texas will try to join the SEC. Eventually. Meaning who knows when.

But those of you who think this is Texas' decision to make are mistaken.

ESPN is calling the shots here. Meaning Texas does nothing unless and until the suits in Bristol remove their grip from the Horns' ballsack.

Texas goes nowhere until the LHN is dead. After that, the SEC may consider them but Birmingham will be telling them when to jump and how high, not the other way around.

But what if Baylor says that they won't come to the SEC without them?

What say you then?

(I just wanted to see that on the screen for some reason)

Do you honestly think they don't have an out from the GOR?

They'll go to the pac. Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G (per reports) will nearly guarantee it.

It's too hard for them. Don't you know they always take the easy road. They're entitled.

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There is a clause in our agreement to join the SEC stating that Texas A&M has a binding refusal for tu to ever be in the SEC.

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Any proof of this clause? I want to believe, but...

They will go independant first. Also, they will not have the votes to get invited even if they did want "in". Their reputation of greed, control, and arrogance preceeds them.

1st wtf with all the zoo posters in Old rivalries.

2nd, you dumbasses are debating something that's not debatable...

TEXAS A&M HAS THE RIGHT TO

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any school in our state.

So this debate is stupid, moot and now over.


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TEXAS A&M HAS THE RIGHT TO

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Please provide documentation of this claim.

I've gone here and can't find it, all I see is that it takes 3/4 of the members to approve a new member:

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Portals/3/SEC%20Website/compliance/Constitution.pdf

The most important thing to understand about real politics, with respect to this situation is that the 'sips were largely politically emasculated as a result of the transition from democratic to republican hegemony in the 1990s.

They don't have anything near the muscle that they had in 1980.

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Longhorn carcass in alley this morning, boot tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of us. We have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of orange blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their ghey sex and greed will foam up about their waists and all the horns and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and We'll look down and whisper "No."

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I've gone here and can't find it, all I see is that it takes 3/4 of the members to approve a new member:

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AgDotCom is correct. The Bylaws only require 3/4 approval and no individual school has any "veto rights". And there is no rule prohibiting more than one new school per state (though for SEC Cable Network purposes it makes no sense).

Now it has been rumored that Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina have an agreement to vote to keep out Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson. It is not certain if Kentucky is part of that agreement in the event Louisville wanted in.

A&M would probably work out a deal with the three (or four) of them to block t.u. Add the likely no votes of Arkansas (past issues plus would hurt recruiting), Mizzou (past issues) and LSU (hurt recruiting) and you've got half or over half the conference not in agreement.

t.u. will do well enough but not SEC good. They will be on the outside looking in, and truthfully I don't care. (Besides whoever thought burnt orange was fashionable, anyway?)

Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this. -- Anonymous

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Now it has been rumored that Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina have an agreement to vote to keep out Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson. It is not certain if Kentucky is part of that agreement in the event Louisville wanted in.

A&M would probably work out a deal with the three (or four) of them to block t.u. Add the likely no votes of Arkansas (past issues plus would hurt recruiting), Mizzou (past issues) and LSU (hurt recruiting) and you've got half or over half the conference

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Put another way, the SEC hates cannibalism, and t.u. is a known necrophilic cannibal.

I'm not saying the sips will actually join or be approved to join, I'm just saying that at some point in the future they will approach the SEC, and the SEC will carefully consider it....if and only when the LHN is dead.

Anyone stating otherwise is being less than candid.

For the record I'm against Texas joining the SEC and I'm against playing them until Dodds is gone. After that happens, I'd still have to carefully consider the value proposition before I'd be in favor of it.

Bryan, I too am an old Ag and I can tell that you are suffering from BAS, Battered Aggie Syndrome. I have had to detox from it myself. Let's look at reality, not media hype or the way things were ten years ago. Sips do not have the legislative power they once had, nothing close. Furthermore their sway over the NCAA is nothing more then your old sips buds muttering in their beer about the way things were and working hard to stay in denial about reality. I feel sorry for sips especially guys my age. They have stuck their head in the sand and allowed a cohort of libs that they despise take over and rule. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it. I have been asking them for years about how they can support the path that tu has been going down. They really didn't see or want to see what was happening. Now they do and they are in crisis. As the Scripture says, Pride comes before the fall, and the more pride you have the greater the fall and yes the sips are falling, HARD, not just in football but in about every meaning full category. Makes since, when you go with the lib socialist agenda, you don't produce quality hard working, practical self reliant graduates that mirror your states culture.



Ag Dot Com, though you are legally correct in the 3/4s vote to be approved. It has been an unspoken agreement that a unanimous vote is expected.

The SEC has a strong collegial feel about it. The only exception is Mizzou. Mizzou is not really a fit and they are struggling. It was kind of a forced marriage of convenience, best available on the part of the SEC and the only life boat for Mizzou. They will be like KU, strong in basketball, weak in football. The deal is Mizzou brings something to the table. A fairly large TV market, a whole state, and a solid if not spectacular athletic program. THEY ALSO don't bring all the negative baggage that a tu would bring.

tu is not a fit for SEC in ANYWAY. NONE NADA ZIP.

Then one has to ask, what do they bring to the SEC? The answer, a whole lot more feces then food.

The sips have always been the master spin and power politics. Now they are just the master of spin and even that is being eroded. They have been declining in substance for a long time. The King has no clothes and now the whole nation is beginning to see it.

They are truly a liberal dominated school amongst a sea of conservative values. I just don't think other SEC ADs, and Presidents are ignorant about tu. They already got the plumb of the state in us and they have no need to take tu on and I can assure you the aspect of voting tu in would cause strong division in a conference that very much values it's unity!

Secondly the idea that ESPN can force the issue is nuts. ESPN is fighting to maintain it's market share. They do not have the power to force tu on to the SEC. ESPN is in a tough situation. They surely did not want A&M going to the SEC because it erodes the value of the Bevo conf. tu did not want us to go, Baylor, did not want us to go, Everyone pulled every stop they could to stop us, THEY FAILED.

Why? They did not have the power to stop us, not politically, not legally, not in the media either, (which is really the only real leverage they have over us left)

They used to have extreme clout in the NCAA, NOW THEY DO NOT> They made a power play with the LHN and highschool football. That was a mistake, now the whole nation and every AD and coach out there, now fully understood the reality of the sips and what we have had to deal with for a long time.

No, no. The sip power and influence has waned and it has waned across the board in every real and tangible way. We are beating them across the board, we are a much more nationally and internationally significant university in about every SUBSTANTIAL way. Our leadership is much better, across the board.

Bottomline, I think I have better chance of winning the lotto then they sips have in every being a part of the SEC in my life time.

Furthermore, an SEC school voting the sips into the SEC is akin to a southern state voting for Obama. It ain't all about money boys. Values and traditions are really important and with the shrinking conservative base, the SEC is a representative of that group. There is just no real good reason to add tu to the SEC and there are ton of reason to not vote them in. Bottomline the sips are screwed.

tl;dr

OPAG laid it out nicely. A few more notes:

Politics-A&M controls the Governorship and that Governor has been in place long enough to appoint every member of the BOR to A&M and Texas as well as the Higher Ed Coord Board. A&M controls the Senate Finance Chair and the incoming Senate Finance Chair. The 2 candidates most likely to replace the LT Governor next election are both Aggies. Dan Branch is the lead Higher Ed guy in the Texas House and is not an Aggie but his biggest donors are Aggies and his boss at his Law firm is a former Aggie Yell Leader. On top of that, most of the Texas grads that are in the Leg are Dems and have no power.

SEC Network-It's all about new markets and Texas doesn't add anything outside of marginal national reach above what the SEC already has. With A&M in the SEC they have Texas and can charge in state rates in Texas. That is the main incentive to expand.

The kids-Texas got stuck with the kids in the divorce and they are a whiny and high maintenance bunch. Those kids being Baylor, Tech, and TCU. If Texas leaves they have to make sure the kids are taken care of. When Texas admitted they B12 would survive without A&M it was the last real barrier lifted, that was the key political cover. I don't know how Texas gets around that, especially if we aren't helping them.

A&M-There is just no way Texas gets in without our full endorsement. We can wreak havoc politically for them (esp with help from the kids). We can stop them within the SEC as has been noted. They are absolutely our b**** in this regard.

SEC wants to go East, not West-The SEC already has their sites set on adding NC and either VT or UVA when the ACC blows up (if it blows up). That adds new states and markets and schools that are much better fits with the SEC culturally. UNC is easily the biggest prize out there for the SEC and there is simply no way the SEC allows that chance to be lost.

**** those f a g g o t s. They talked so much **** about the SEC. They can rot for 100 years, I don't give a ****.

What would be funny is for them to go Indy and then nobody schedule the *****s.

the Bammers cannot stand the sips either; they experienced their dewshness during the MNC game and hate them now... I personally do not need think we need to wory about them at all ever being invited to join the SEC...

This was a stupid post, UTx will never join the SEC, we will block if for sure. We are never going to let those lying f@gg0ts into our conference again.

Don't you remember all the sip talk about the PAC and its destination cities. Sure their stadiums are half empty unless something major is at stake, but that's where players and fans want to vacation.

Some of you need to realize that the SEC is not impressed by t.u. As far as TV goes, they already got the state of Texas not to mention the school with a more loyal fan base and rich game day traditions. All t.u. has is being located in a 'cool' albeit softly racist city.

t.u. fans have a hard time grasping the fact that they are not everybody's default first choice and the world outside the 40 acres is not populated solely by those poor souls who "couldn't get in".

Austin can be fun. For a while. Sort of like Santa Fe can be fun for a while.

But after about 48 hours of exposure to either of them they seem so....well, precious....that I just want to puke.