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McInnis 03
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When you own one of these, this is what happens:

Calls, you make money if the entity makes a (time dependent) move up.

Puts, you make money if the entity makes a (time dependent) move down.
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oldarmy1 said:

He has been flaunting it in my face.
I love your dad even more now.
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DNN approaching my buy zone. $1.06 now. Will wait for closer to $1
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Coming up on the end of the day.

We going to have a bounce tomorrow or buy some overnight puts?
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Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
FJ43
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Anyone see anything between 406.10 and 404 as potential support?
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FJ43 said:

Anyone see anything between 406.10 and 404 as potential support?
Looks to be a volume shelf to 405.33 then look out below.
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ag94whoop said:

Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
Essentially, you are buying puts in case the thing absolutely tanks. Puts react to tanking the way call buying reacts to mooning. But it costs you to buy puts, same as it would to buy calls. So OA is saying he offsets the cost by selling OTM calls. He's hedhing the downside while manipulating it to not spend any money doing so. The only thing that would hurt is if the price skyrocketed overnight and he got called out of his shares.
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My rook eyes see possible support around 405.3 on the 4 hr chart, but I could be mistaken.
McInnis 03
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May 10:


Just now:

Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX
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FJ43 said:

Anyone see anything between 406.10 and 404 as potential support?
If Irish 2.0 sees a major support on QQQ, it could slow SPY.
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oldarmy1 said:

E said:

Is it too late to sell and go away in May then rebuy at lower levels later on?

Asking for a friend...
https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0dce4d02-85c7-4fad-b03f-e3cb3ee382fa


I shoulda listened...

I am only in longer term holds and am still up "bigly" over the past year across the board thanks to NIO, SNDL, ONTX, MARA, ZOM, CIDM and DOGE....

NGL, CLOV, MBIO, WWR, DPW and UWMC are my reds
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mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
Essentially, you are buying puts in case the thing absolutely tanks. Puts react to tanking the way call buying reacts to mooning. But it costs you to buy puts, same as it would to buy calls. So OA is saying he offsets the cost by selling OTM calls. He's hedhing the downside while manipulating it to not spend any money doing so. The only thing that would hurt is if the price skyrocketed overnight and he got called out of his shares.


But why not market sell if it hits that strike price? Then you wouldn't have the cost or haste of the puts
FJ43
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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

FJ43 said:

Anyone see anything between 406.10 and 404 as potential support?
If Irish 2.0 sees a major support on QQQ, it could slow SPY.
Never thought of that. Hold it is....
mazag08
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ag94whoop said:

mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
Essentially, you are buying puts in case the thing absolutely tanks. Puts react to tanking the way call buying reacts to mooning. But it costs you to buy puts, same as it would to buy calls. So OA is saying he offsets the cost by selling OTM calls. He's hedhing the downside while manipulating it to not spend any money doing so. The only thing that would hurt is if the price skyrocketed overnight and he got called out of his shares.


But why not market sell if it hits that strike price? Then you wouldn't have the cost or haste of the puts
If you're in aa huge hole? Because you aren't wanting to or expecting to take the loss pf shares. It's a strategy in a down period where upside is mostly out of reach.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/dont-be-fooled-by-aprils-inflation-jump-its-being-driven-by-reopening-quirks-51620847392?mod=mw_latestnews

This article explains it all. I'm going to sleep better tonight.

There's a lot of people being fooled. <laugh/cry emoticon>

<*sarc>
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mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
Essentially, you are buying puts in case the thing absolutely tanks. Puts react to tanking the way call buying reacts to mooning. But it costs you to buy puts, same as it would to buy calls. So OA is saying he offsets the cost by selling OTM calls. He's hedhing the downside while manipulating it to not spend any money doing so. The only thing that would hurt is if the price skyrocketed overnight and he got called out of his shares.


But why not market sell if it hits that strike price? Then you wouldn't have the cost or haste of the puts
If you're in aa huge hole? Because you aren't wanting to or expecting to take the loss pf shares. It's a strategy in a down period where upside is mostly out of reach.


I'm just trying to understand the difference between buying puts that cause me to sell shares below current price, or just selling them at that same price without the puts.
McInnis 03
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SPY, THROW THE F'ING TOWEL.
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SPY is now firing a daily TTM_squeeze in the bearish direction.....if you're into that kind of thing. Not sure I want to see 3-5 more days of this in a row.
McInnis 03
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This news breaks and SPY starts to run up a bit


McInnis 03
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Not to spoil any bears' parade, but when you zoom out to the weekly, we've dipped down to the 10wk average, which if you look back just a tad.....we've done this quite a few times...............This may not be as scary as it seems.


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We have gone +2 ATR to -2ATR on the SPX in 3 trading sessions. That's a large move. Similar theme with NQ. I think we're close to temporarily done.

You don’t trade for money, you trade for freedom.
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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/dont-be-fooled-by-aprils-inflation-jump-its-being-driven-by-reopening-quirks-51620847392?mod=mw_latestnews

This article explains it all. I'm going to sleep better tonight.

There's a lot of people being fooled. <laugh/cry emoticon>

<*sarc>


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$30,000 Millionaire said:

We have gone +2 ATR to -2ATR on the SPX in 3 trading sessions. That's a large move. Similar theme with NQ. I think we're close to temporarily done.


I think futures will be down big in the morning with a possible red to green move in the cards.
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Those TSLA puts should be looking good for you, FJ.
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

We have gone +2 ATR to -2ATR on the SPX in 3 trading sessions. That's a large move. Similar theme with NQ. I think we're close to temporarily done.


Sweet baby Jesus please...
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

We have gone +2 ATR to -2ATR on the SPX in 3 trading sessions. That's a large move. Similar theme with NQ. I think we're close to temporarily done.


GOOD because if we can get VIX to give up about 7 pts in the next 21 days I'll be up a cool fake $15K
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ag94whoop said:

mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

mazag08 said:

ag94whoop said:

Ok
I will use real life portfolio examples

I own 1300 shares of TLRY average cost is about $27.80
I own 4500 shares of WWR avg cost is $7.82

How does buying puts against one of those help me when I'm this upside down? I am just trying to wrap my head around this concept
Essentially, you are buying puts in case the thing absolutely tanks. Puts react to tanking the way call buying reacts to mooning. But it costs you to buy puts, same as it would to buy calls. So OA is saying he offsets the cost by selling OTM calls. He's hedhing the downside while manipulating it to not spend any money doing so. The only thing that would hurt is if the price skyrocketed overnight and he got called out of his shares.


But why not market sell if it hits that strike price? Then you wouldn't have the cost or haste of the puts
If you're in aa huge hole? Because you aren't wanting to or expecting to take the loss pf shares. It's a strategy in a down period where upside is mostly out of reach.


I'm just trying to understand the difference between buying puts that cause me to sell shares below current price, or just selling them at that same price without the puts.
Because you aren't expecting this to be a tank and you don't WANT to take the loss that would guarantee by selling now. It's a hedge.. meaning if this thing breaks down big, you are limiting your loss by locking in a price. But again, you are not EXPECTING for this to execute.. merely to save your ass in a **** hit the fan scenario. Selling the calls against it is merely a way to offset the cost of buying the hedge.
FJ43
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Out of all trades. Popcorn time to see what happens here.
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

We have gone +2 ATR to -2ATR on the SPX in 3 trading sessions. That's a large move. Similar theme with NQ. I think we're close to temporarily done.


Hoping so. Would love a move back up.
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CrazyRichAggie said:

Those TSLA puts should be looking good for you, FJ.
$5.75<$11.80. I sold below $10. Missed a second entry at mid $6s by a nickel. Live and learn.

VS Options call out by the way. She identifies some potentially good plays each day and you choose. She does alert for her entry and her scaling out or exits. Also provides what levels she sees anyway.

They are SPX traders as well.
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What do you guys think happens? I bet volatility is down tomorrow.
You don’t trade for money, you trade for freedom.
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I'd rather be short stock than long puts.
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I took a small position in 05/21 SPY 406C. We're really oversold.
You don’t trade for money, you trade for freedom.
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