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No one is claiming Musk isn't brilliant. But he had first mover advantage in both Spacex and Tesla (Tesla also a niche vehicle space by the way and not mainstream in the vehicle space even still). He won't have that here by about 7-10 years just on the space side alone, and about 25 years on the ground for mobile networks. And while he boasts a bigger market cap, the world's telecom providers together are well above $1 trillion in market cap. They have already banded together to ensure their continued dominance of high bandwidth streaming worldwide anywhere, even the middle of the ocean on ASTS satellite technology. Add to that governments lining up behind the telecom providers and ASTS and it's not a stretch to predict they're going to dominate in the satellite mobile comm space and that even governments fear relying on spacex as a monopoly.

Spacex also has a couple technological disadvantages that can't be overcome by bluster. Their frequencies and low satellite power will require line of sight and won't even make it through some tree canopies or metal. They also won't allow high bandwidth streaming until they resolve how users will be allocated to each satellite as they move. On top of that, their satellites will have a shorter lifespan than the ones the telecom providers are using (by about half), requiring revolving door launches just to keep the constellation going. That's massive cash burn.

Add to that, the market SpaceX is going for here is not a high dollar high margin, just sit there and collect cash segment. That's what the telecom providers will have with ASTS, which will literally provide the technology for you and me and every other human to never drop high bandwidth data streaming capable signals even when on the open ocean or in a remote national park.

SpaceX on the other hand is going for a completely different market than that one and they aren't even going to be ready to play in that high bandwidth data everywhere on your phone space until the early (at best) to mid (more likely) 2030s, which by that time we will have all been accustomed to the much better performance of the major carriers whose satellites are strong enough to get a signal through your roof without needing you to have a satellite antenna. SpaceX can't offer that.

I don't doubt that SpaceX will continue to dominate and do really well in the markets they are well positioned for. I have a little bit of their stock and will continue to accumulate it over the years as it hits what I think are favorable prices. But the idea that they are going to dominate the telecom industry in any meaningful way ignores too many inconvenient realities.

just like Tesla jumping onto the scene into a niche market did not displace the bigger auto makers, and it would have been silly to even suggest they would back in the mid 2000s, SpaceX will not displace the big telecom giants in the next 10-20 years.
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I'm grateful that more competition is entering the space. And from a player that actually has a chance to make a dent. As telecom consumers, the direction of pricing for all services will be to your benefit when new competition enters the arena.
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and the MRNA rip begins...

EDIT 8:32 am - yesterday's close seems to be support like I've followed for a month...now it rips!
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Heineken-Ashi said:

I'm grateful that more competition is entering the space. And from a player that actually has a chance to make a dent. As telecom consumers, the direction of pricing for all services will be to your benefit when new competition enters the arena.


I would like that as well. The problem here is despite Elon's boasting, they aren't really prepared to sell the same thing any time soon. Just like Tesla has never really been competitive in the right market to bring down car prices. Maybe that changes with self driving tech. But they still aren't there yet and others are invading that space as well.
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EnronAg said:

and the MRNA rip begins...

EDIT 8:32 am - yesterday's close seems to be support like I've followed for a month...now it rips!

Rippity do dah!! I sold at $207 and will look to get back in when it makes its trek down
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BucketofBalls99 said:

EnronAg said:

and the MRNA rip begins...

EDIT 8:32 am - yesterday's close seems to be support like I've followed for a month...now it rips!

Rippity do dah!! I sold at $207 and will look to get back in when it makes its trek down

this name is so insanely volatile...these moves are just massive on a minute/hour/daily basis...have not seen this sort of volatility for a name for this long...more than 5% moves EVERY DAY for a month now...just wild to watch
BucketofBalls99
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I agree. It's pretty wild. But I'll take it!

Aaaaaand it's making its trek down….

Edit: well that trek down didn't last too long, like normal. Wow!
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ASTS nosediving. Seems to be a bit of overreaction with SPCX news.
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CheladaAg said:

ASTS nosediving. Seems to be a bit of overreaction with SPCX news.

Yep. I have been adding all morning since $52. Hopefully this was the capitulation heave it needed to start a march up. It was already heavily shorted, so any snapback is likely to be violent.
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Adding as well. If SPCX is planning on being a competitor to traditional carriers, whether they function as an MVNO with cool features (i.e. satellite connectivity), or something more. Then I would think this is fairly bullish for ASTS long term. Regular carriers will have to have satellite connectivity to offer their customers, and my guess is their first stop won't be spacex

You made a great point about moving cell signals and satellite launches. They (spacex) have so much more money to make in an easier path by continuing to grow their home wireless service in rural areas. Lots of pent up demand there that can't get decent speeds and it's so much easier to provide data to a stationary spot than a mobile target.

Hell I was in the woods this weekend trying to catch a satellite signal and it was barely functional to get a couple texts out.
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I'm in on ASTS at sub $49
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not sure i see how spacex is going to work as a cell service provider, the signal from space isnt strong enough to go into buildings.

Yes, its nice to have as a backup, but i think they have to pair the sat signal with traditional cell antennas.

seems like this is an overreaction and a chance to buy att on the cheap
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They're working on solutions to that. I won't pretend to remember exactly but it was something about a different MHz and different satellites that orbit lower.
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The biggest thing they are missing is a ground network anywhere in the world, where all the current telecom providers own those. They can't stand one up overnight when others have been working on it for over 2 decades. They also face an almost zero likelihood of getting past antitrust vetting in acquiring a major telecom network that already has been deployed on ground towers. Not just in the US, but their likelihood of doing this in Europe and other foreign countries is even lower.

They also don't have the spectrum frequencies needed to compete. Those are 2 huge hurdles that hope and change aren't going to overcome without lots of pain.
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MRNA just keeps chugging along...up over 71% in less than a month, since 9/10/26
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Gaeilge said:

My ZTS is going for the 50DMA reclaim...

First close above the 50DMA in almost six months could happen...
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Gaeilge said:

Gaeilge said:

I'm in PLTR at $191.5. It has been teasing this 195 nonstop for the last two weeks. This thing is primed to pop through.



I'm looking for an ATH test.

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PLTR

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BucketofBalls99 said:

I'm in on ASTS at sub $49

I went ahead and sold my ASTS at close and took my $1000. I'll look again Monday morning pre market and see about re-entry
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Gaeilge said:

Gaeilge said:

My ZTS is going for the 50DMA reclaim...

First close above the 50DMA in almost six months could happen...

Did you get the close you wanted?

And is that a big gap that needs to be filled from May? Am I seeing that right?
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EnronAg said:

MRNA just keeps chugging along...up over 71% in less than a month, since 9/10/26

They were just talking about it at length on CNBC and were saying this is beginning but will take some time. Phase I will take about 3 years. So I'm thinking a lot of this euphoria these last few weeks will begin to die down.

I have made some good money from it these last couple of weeks, and will continue to watch Monday morning for the 'normal bounce'!
Gaeilge
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Yes. I've been accumulating and selling covered calls for a few of months on it. I've brought my cost on my shares down to 69 something. The 50DMA close was YUGE for it.
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Gaeilge said:

Yes. I've been accumulating and selling covered calls for a few of months on it. I've brought my cost on my shares down to 69 something. The 50DMA close was YUGE for it.

Good deal!

Are you seeing that big gap in May?
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Something up with GME again. CEO has been buying a lot of shares. It can get crazy again
Gaeilge
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Yes, I see it. Burry owns, I believe, the Jan. '28 110C now after he sold his shares.
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How are you gentlemen?

All your base are belong to us.

I lost the fire for a bit and took 6 months off trading. I generally didn't even look at the market.

Anyway, the fire has returned.
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Awesome to see you post here again. Any particular stocks/futures setups caught your eye?
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I don't have a great pulse of the market yet - but - I think it seems harder and it may make sense to focus on event driven trades like Moderna joining the S&P or upcoming earnings.

The 10 yr / 30 yr pricing is very concerning and I wonder what will happen after the election. We may be pinned waiting for the election to happen. If you assume democrats control the senate and make gains in the house (historical norm during mid term), we may see greater focus on regulation. Nobody wants to deal with some of the senior democrats on the banking committee for example.

S&P is up like 25% since March lows with fundamentals deteriorating. I tend to believe that the market is high right now (can go higher) because of the AI bet. The current belief and what's priced in is that AI will continue powering the world economy. I think bonds have to matter at some point.

Specific stocks I've been interested in: ALAB, SPCX, and LITE/AAOI. I think STX and memory is highly tradeable depending on how far the retrace is. Beginning to have interest in quantum stocks again and I think there's a play in energy, both ways.
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So a comment on Palantir: they're very expensive for an enterprise and the minimum cost to play for an enterprise is in the millions. I don't know if the growth assumption implied in the stock is sustainable.
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flashplayer
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ASTS and software having nice opens today. IONQ and MU trying to ruin it though.
BucketofBalls99
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Wow, only 1 post today??

Everyone still over in the 'Cesspool'??
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Most my stocks might as well be this Aggie offense. Going nowhere fast.
Gaeilge
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Just watching my little ZTS go choo, choo, choo...
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Gaeilge said:

Just watching my little ZTS go choo, choo, choo...

77.37 is the volume weighted 100 day moving average. Looks like it's parked right on top of the 100 day sma right now at 75.50s. The higher of the two is where I was looking for either a relatively strong rejection or breakout confirmation.
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