La Bamba said:

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So V recovery it is?

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Grown Pear said:

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Something odd is that the Russell 1000, which is even smaller cap, is tracking closer to the larger cap indexes. It has at least come close to 50% retracement from the bottom, while the Russell 2000 hasn't. I guess there are some small-not-micro cap companies that must be way down in order for this to happen?

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The Russell 1000 is much more closely aligned with Large cap stocks while the Russell 2000 is to smaller cap. Of the Russell 3000 stocks, the 1000 is the top 1000 while 2000 is the bottom 2000.

Mid and Small Cap stocks have been beaten down substantially more than the Large caps, and their "recoveries" thus far aren't significantly higher if at all. yet.

What's interesting and this is just one data point in a very specific time period but I sold my mid cap and small cap blend etfs and split those amounts 50/50 into the respective growth and value funds to stay exposed.

Bottom line is Growth is substantially outperforming Value (and has been). So this may be part of what's going on with what y'all are looking at.

Since 4/13:
VOT (Mid cap growth) +5.77%
VOE (Mid cap value) +0.79%
VBK (Small cap growth) +4.47%
VBR (Small cap value) +.018%

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Grown Pear said:

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Something odd is that the Russell 1000, which is even smaller cap, is tracking closer to the larger cap indexes. It has at least come close to 50% retracement from the bottom, while the Russell 2000 hasn't. I guess there are some small-not-micro cap companies that must be way down in order for this to happen?

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The Russell 1000 is much more closely aligned with Large cap stocks while the Russell 2000 is to smaller cap. Of the Russell 3000 stocks, the 1000 is the top 1000 while 2000 is the bottom 2000.

Mid and Small Cap stocks have been beaten down substantially more than the Large caps, and their "recoveries" thus far aren't significantly higher if at all. yet.

What's interesting and this is just one data point in a very specific time period but I sold my mid cap and small cap blend etfs and split those amounts 50/50 into the respective growth and value funds to stay exposed.

Bottom line is Growth is substantially outperforming Value (and has been). So this may be part of what's going on with what y'all are looking at.

Since 4/13:
VOT (Mid cap growth) +5.77%
VOE (Mid cap value) +0.79%
VBK (Small cap growth) +4.47%
VBR (Small cap value) +.018%

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I always thought the Russell 1000 was micro cap, basically the leftover companies from Russell 3000 that aren't included in the Russell 3000?

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oldarmy1 said:

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Bought INTC $65 May 15th Calls

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gougler08 said:

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Grown Pear said:

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Something odd is that the Russell 1000, which is even smaller cap, is tracking closer to the larger cap indexes. It has at least come close to 50% retracement from the bottom, while the Russell 2000 hasn't. I guess there are some small-not-micro cap companies that must be way down in order for this to happen?

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The Russell 1000 is much more closely aligned with Large cap stocks while the Russell 2000 is to smaller cap. Of the Russell 3000 stocks, the 1000 is the top 1000 while 2000 is the bottom 2000.

Mid and Small Cap stocks have been beaten down substantially more than the Large caps, and their "recoveries" thus far aren't significantly higher if at all. yet.

What's interesting and this is just one data point in a very specific time period but I sold my mid cap and small cap blend etfs and split those amounts 50/50 into the respective growth and value funds to stay exposed.

Bottom line is Growth is substantially outperforming Value (and has been). So this may be part of what's going on with what y'all are looking at.

Since 4/13:
VOT (Mid cap growth) +5.77%
VOE (Mid cap value) +0.79%
VBK (Small cap growth) +4.47%
VBR (Small cap value) +.018%

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I always thought the Russell 1000 was micro cap, basically the leftover companies from Russell 3000 that aren't included in the Russell 3000?

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Other way around, it's the top 1000 companies by market cap

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AgEng06 said:

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oldarmy1 said:

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Bought INTC $65 May 15th Calls

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Just curious, what was the premium on these when you bought?

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NRD09 said:

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don't trim your whole position or you will have some serious ragrets when it pans out. I bailed on my tvix position in January at $40/share. Would have turned into something like 18k if I'd held strong (and timed the top, which of course is impossible)

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Exsurge Domine said:

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One thing that I think you guys need to remember is that fundamental analysis is largely a thing of the past and things haven't made sense for a long long while, well before Covid.
Take TSLA for example, they've never had a profitable year, yet they overtook Ford in Market Cap years ago. We aren't in a bubble because our entire reality is a bubble. Zoom has a PE ratio of 1700, and a market cap higher than General Mills.

Everything trades off hype, some vague idea of technology, and implication. Yes, I'm still looking at charts, but I'm mainly doing so because I think other people are still looking at charts and it still influences pricing. I don't care how many bullish engulfing candles there are, Elon Musk can tweet "brb going base jumping " and 100 billion dollars of value can vanish.

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AggiePeeps06 said:

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Anyone have any idea how USO was slightly down today even though oil is up 25%?

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McInnis 03 said:

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La Bamba said:

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So V recovery it is?

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As much as my terrible mind at this wants to say "well duh, isn't it now obvious?!"....I can't help but think of all the earnings we still have to get through along with manufacturing reports, etc.......once the periphery numbers start to come back as ugly as the unemployment numbers do.....perhaps that's the food that'll get the truth digested?

Otherwise it's all a fairy tale and we might as well throw every dollar we have into the VTI and just come along for the damn ride.

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Exsurge Domine said:

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One thing that I think you guys need to remember is that fundamental analysis is largely a thing of the past and things haven't made sense for a long long while, well before Covid.
Take TSLA for example, they've never had a profitable year, yet they overtook Ford in Market Cap years ago. We aren't in a bubble because our entire reality is a bubble. Zoom has a PE ratio of 1700, and a market cap higher than General Mills.

Everything trades off hype, some vague idea of technology, and implication. Yes, I'm still looking at charts, but I'm mainly doing so because I think other people are still looking at charts and it still influences pricing. I don't care how many bullish engulfing candles there are, Elon Musk can tweet "brb going base jumping " and 100 billion dollars of value can vanish.

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Mtn_Guide said:

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Hookers have to stay 6ft away

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Mtn_Guide said:

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Hookers have to stay 6ft away

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I think just their head has to stay 6 feet away from your head, right? I can work with that.

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