***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 11:36a, 10/20/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
AgLA06 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
JohnnyTexAg1995 said:
Ag_07 said:
Playoff Dusty is an absolute stud

Which begs the question...

What's the biggest discrepancy? Regular season Dusty vs playoff Dusty or Home Astros vs Road Astros
it's hard to tell especially with the knowledge that the front office makes the roster and lineup choices in the playoffs
They do not make those choices. It's a group decision. They ultimately have the final say, but they don't take the lineup card out of his hands.


It's been pretty amazing watching how your take on this has evolved.
I don't know what you have against me, but it's getting really old. You've come at me throughout the year for no reason.

I've said the same thing for months. Some of you just interpret it how you want to. Jesus.
It's a discussion board. I can make a comment regarding things you say. You're crying is beyond old.

It's changed whether you want to admit it or not. It went from
  • The FO has final say in the playoffs.
  • To the FO only has a say in the playoffs because of Dusty's contract during the regular season.
  • To the FO has a discussion, but it's Dusty's call in the playoffs.

So don't play the victim. I wasn't coming at you. I made a really general comment that it was interesting watching that take change. I imagine it's been the process of how it was relayed to you. It would be nice if instead of responding like this, you'd ask your guy why that take has changed. That would actually worth being discussed.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 11:37a, 10/20/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Wabs said:
Honestly, I thought that both Chas and Tuck could have made a better effort to catch those balls last night. The probability of Chas making the catch was probably low because he seemed to kind of misread it (and he was shifted), but I thought he could have laid out for it. I thought Tuck pulled up too early and didn't give max effort.
so he lays out for it, he's 3-5 feet away when it lands…you now have runners circling with a ball in the left field corner and Doobie no where near to make a play and then you have either have a major injury from your player diving into the wall head first or you have him shaken up and he still beat Dubon to the ball while multiple runners score.

You don't make diving plays towards the line unless absolutely necessary and high probability
Yup. CF won't be there to back you up.

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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:41a, 10/20/23
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Yeah I'm not starting this today. My stance hasn't changed. I have always said it's a group discussion and FO has final say. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

Edit: I did find a post earlier in the season where I said the front office makes the lineups. So you're right- I did say that at one point. That was likely before I got the full explanation of how everything works. Who knows. I've been consistent since July and don't go back and forth on purpose.
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11:42a, 10/20/23
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With the lefty going today, I assume we see the exact same lineup as last night again?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:42a, 10/20/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 11:43a, 10/20/23
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Yeah, I had the same thought on the play I thought he could have attempted.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 11:44a, 10/20/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
100% if his first step is back, not forward it is caught.

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In reply to OKCAg2002 • 11:46a, 10/20/23
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OKCAg2002 said:
With the lefty going today, I assume we see the exact same lineup as last night again?
I would think so.
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In reply to OKCAg2002 • 11:47a, 10/20/23
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OKCAg2002 said:
Yeah, I had the same thought on the play I thought he could have attempted.
By "pulling up" he stopped the run from scoring. He lays out and there is a run scored and Lowe gets a triple.
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11:49a, 10/20/23
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$290 for world series SRO, lol

i know, don't take the golden era for granted, but, that's about what face value was for 1st deck tickets in 2017 world series
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In reply to 07ag • 11:56a, 10/20/23
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07ag said:
$290 for world series SRO, lol

i know, don't take the golden era for granted, but, that's about what face value was for 1st deck tickets in 2017 world series
Wow. Yeah, as much as I would love to go to a World Series game, I've been to a couple and it's hard to justify dropping that kind of money on SRO.
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12:03p, 10/20/23
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One last thing on Tucker.

Stat: Regular Season vs Postseason
Hard Hit%: 44.5% vs 43%
Barrel%: 10.4% vs 6.9%
xBA: .288 vs .233
xwOBA: .327 vs .387
K%: 13.6% vs 22.9%
BB%: 11.9% vs 17.1%

It's not as good as his regular season, but it's far from bad. The results are terrible though. His xwOBA is only a few points below Altuve, Bregman, & McCormick's actual. It wouldn't be shocking to see a few of these balls start finding holes. You'd like to get the K% back down, but as long as he draws walks at a high clip it offsets it somewhat.

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12:03p, 10/20/23
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Enjoying this gem again today to pass some time ...

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In reply to All I do is Nguyen • 12:04p, 10/20/23
All I do is Nguyen said:
G2 Rangers -CHECK
G3 Astros - CHECK
G4Astros - CHECK
G5 Astros
G6 Astros
My prediction post from a few days ago before game 2
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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In reply to Texas A&M • 12:06p, 10/20/23
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Texas A&M said:
AggieJ2002 said:
Had a conversation with my kids about how this run is not normal, but to them (Age 16 and 13), it is pretty much all they know.

Fortunately, the Astros have set them up for a whole lot of disappointment for the rest of the lives with regard to rooting for sports teams
It is similar to kids who grew up in the Tim Duncan era of the Spurs.


I grew up in Austin in the 90s. Doesn't get much worse than back end of RC era through Sherman while tu won everything. So happy to be able to experience this Astros run!
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In reply to AggieJ2002 • 12:08p, 10/20/23
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I've jammed this a few times this week. Good post!

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In reply to [removed post] • 12:13p, 10/20/23
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Bregxit said:
07ag said:
$290 for world series SRO, lol

i know, don't take the golden era for granted, but, that's about what face value was for 1st deck tickets in 2017 world series


Yep. SRO in 2017 were $150.


Sheeeeeeit we needed to get 4 tickets together in the top deck for 2017 and it was $1400 a pop on the secondary. Face value has gone up for sure but I feel WS tickets a bit lower than 2017, still going to be a grand for upper deck. I missed the ticket presale this year but not super bummed, every year I happened to get picked it's usually SRO, singles or maybe pairs on the very top row in the corners
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In reply to Beau Holder • 12:15p, 10/20/23
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Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
but what about the bat speed? Is his girlfriend ugly? Is he getting comped at strip joints all over Vegas?
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:16p, 10/20/23
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Bingo. There's been very, very few fanbases in the history of sports who have been able to enjoy a run like this. That's not an exaggeration. Read that again. Very, very few fanbases in the history of sports.

It's incredible. Enjoy the ride.
It is incredible. To put it in another context, the Astros have been to the Final Four 7 years in a row. That's not good, that's truly great.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 12:23p, 10/20/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
07ag said:
$290 for world series SRO, lol

i know, don't take the golden era for granted, but, that's about what face value was for 1st deck tickets in 2017 world series
Wow. Yeah, as much as I would love to go to a World Series game, I've been to a couple and it's hard to justify dropping that kind of money on SRO.




Inflation boys
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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12:28p, 10/20/23
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I got a nosebleed to game 1 and 7 for $280 each in 2019

So yeah… that inflation
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In reply to Wabs • 12:29p, 10/20/23
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Wabs said:
All I do is Nguyen said:
My current mood
I have a similar mood



Meanwhile in Dallas...

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In reply to All I do is Nguyen • 12:32p, 10/20/23
All I do is Nguyen said:
All I do is Nguyen said:
G2 Rangers -CHECK
G3 Astros - CHECK
G4Astros - CHECK
G5 Astros
G6 Astros
My prediction post from a few days ago before game 2
I said Stros in 6 from the beginning and we are on pace.
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In reply to ThunderCougarFalconBird • 12:35p, 10/20/23
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
but what about the bat speed? Is his girlfriend ugly? Is he getting comped at strip joints all over Vegas?
I guess in game 3 he did get on base 4 times. To quote Moneyball:
Billy: Do I care how he gets on base [points at Pete]
Pete: You do not.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:51p, 10/20/23
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AgLA06 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
AgLA06 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
JohnnyTexAg1995 said:
Ag_07 said:
Playoff Dusty is an absolute stud

Which begs the question...

What's the biggest discrepancy? Regular season Dusty vs playoff Dusty or Home Astros vs Road Astros
it's hard to tell especially with the knowledge that the front office makes the roster and lineup choices in the playoffs
They do not make those choices. It's a group decision. They ultimately have the final say, but they don't take the lineup card out of his hands.


It's been pretty amazing watching how your take on this has evolved.
I don't know what you have against me, but it's getting really old. You've come at me throughout the year for no reason.

I've said the same thing for months. Some of you just interpret it how you want to. Jesus.
It's a discussion board. I can make a comment regarding things you say. You're crying is beyond old.

It's changed whether you want to admit it or not. It went from
  • The FO has final say in the playoffs.
  • To the FO only has a say in the playoffs because of Dusty's contract during the regular season.
  • To the FO has a discussion, but it's Dusty's call in the playoffs.

So don't play the victim. I wasn't coming at you. I made a really general comment that it was interesting watching that take change. I imagine it's been the process of how it was relayed to you. It would be nice if instead of responding like this, you'd ask your guy why that take has changed. That would actually worth being discussed.
Why are you doing this? Do you want to discourage him from giving us his insight? I hope he will continue, but would be hard to blame him if he didn't.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 12:53p, 10/20/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
it had a 95% catch probability. yea, he blew that.
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12:57p, 10/20/23
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Rangers with a big change in the lineup order today
Semien
Seager
Carter
Garcia
Taveras
Jung
Lowe
Garver
Heim
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12:58p, 10/20/23
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How we feeling about Verlander today?
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 12:58p, 10/20/23
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He's built for this
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 12:59p, 10/20/23
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6 innings of 2 run ball..followed by Neris-Abreu-Pressly

6-2 win. Tucker goes deep today
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 1:00p, 10/20/23
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Ghost of Bisbee said:
How we feeling about Verlander today?


Throw strikes and pound the top of the zone with heat. Mix it up with curves and sliders low and below. He'll give us 6 innings if he can do that.
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