Beau Holder said:

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I get that, and I'm afraid by even posting this that things are going to go sideways, but I don't want to just ignore you. Isn't that the tradeoff as old as modernity? With density in cities comes things to do all around you at the cost of space and some amenities. With suburbs comes nice yards and lots and school districts at the cost of the things characteristic of a city.

I live two miles from MMP. As a huge Astros fan, being able to bike down the bayou to go to as many games as I want was a minor factor in that decision. Along with food options and three music venues within 10 minutes of me and lots of other considerations. I didn't want to live in a burb, but if I did, I wouldn't have done it with the expectation of a major sports franchise setting up shop there.

EDIT: I should also say, you're right about the experience in this regard: I love this city, but public transpo is 100% one area in which it needs to get its crap together. No reason there can't be routes of some kind from the Beltway-ish neighborhoods toward downtown.

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let me be honest. I'm not talking about Astros. I love MMP and I make the effort to go. reliant sucks to get to which means the rodeo sucks to get to but they do a good job with the busses for that. I would never go to Toyota center though. Parking while not even that far from MMP, is horrible.

I didn't move to a suburb hoping a team would follow although I did get my hopes up when they discussed moving a minor league affiliate to the Woodlands area.

I just think the areas I mentioned would be well served if they put a Hockey stadium and I guess relocated the Rockets to the North side. It would still be on the beltway so easy enough to get to for south siders and those inside the loop. And reasonable to get to for cypress/spring/Tomball/woodlands etc.

Also many areas around there which could be aught up and demolished for the stadium followed by areas to add in bars/restaurants etc. also great proximity to the airport

I couldn't get through that, those 3 dudes are terrible

Fair points and thanks for explaining. And you're very right about Toyota Center.

Since July 1...Jake is a little better


In August, Dubon has the advantage.


Jake strikes out way too much no matter what, but does have more pop.


edit: and I don't think that's an accurate measure of defense since Dubon is going to have some infield time

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Since July 1...Jake is a little better


In August, Dubon has the advantage.


Jake strikes out way too much no matter what, but does have more pop.


edit: and I don't think that's an accurate measure of defense since Dubon is going to have some infield time

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I always find some of these stats interesting.

Dubon's July is better in runs scored and RBIs and similar in everything else. Jake just has one more HR and a lot more strike outs. Looks like that HR really skews the stats.

As painful as he was at times, Dubon has played above expectations the last month and looks to be rounding back into form. Doesn't change that CF makes absolutely no sense.

Farmer1906 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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This area needs to be developed into something awesome.



Eado is fine.

West of the ballpark is solid enough with V&A, Irma's, & Osso & Kristalla's are some nice places to eat.

A little farther south is fine too - Biggio's, Grotto, Saltgrass, Grove.

We need home plate & BUS to be replaced with something 10x better. Not just a parking lot.

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We need to tear down the Beacon and replace it with something 10X better.

There is probably some quality of contact in there, idk? Or maybe b/c Dubon had so many more ABs over that stretch?

Oh, and that's not just July. It's July through yesterday. Second photo is just Aug

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There is probably some quality of contact in there, idk? Or maybe b/c Dubon had so many more ABs over that stretch?

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No idea. I was just looking at what was posted.

At face value it's interesting that more RBIs, Runs Scored, and striking out less is overcome by one more HR. I'm sure there's things that make up the fancy new stats not seen in the clip.

I'm sure Dubon hit's a weaker ball, but there's a lot more contact there. Maybe he's hitting into twice the double plays than Jake even though Jake strikes out twice as much. It should also mean he's moving runners more. Who knows.

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Dubon's July was actually friggin terrible.

.200/.234/.267, 36 wRC+. His Performance so far in August is pulling him waaay up in that very first photo I posted.

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I'm sorry my rounding from memory included the last week of July in my comment.

I think you're over analyzing my statement that the last 3-4 weeks has been light and day different. Because it has. That was the point. He was playing like crap before that.

I'm not even arguing with you. I was just adding more context to the very first post I made on the topic.

Gotha. I was like Jesus, I was only off by like 4 days!

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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I've been to Wrigleyville, and it's great. Unfortunately never made it to a game at Wrigley though. I'm going to Chicago next summer when the Astros play the White Sox and then making a stop for a Cubs game the next day.
MMP definitely needs more pre-and-post game attractions surrounding it.

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Maybe I'm misreading but you do know the Astros play at Wrigley next April, right?

They do, but I'm going with a group, and we can't all go on those particular dates.

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They do, but I'm going with a group, and we can't all go on those particular dates.

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Ah. Gotcha.

I plan to make a trip to Wrigley in April and then San Diego in September

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There is nothing south of downtown Atlanta really. The baseball attending population was well north of downtown for the vast majority. It made sense.

Our population is everywhere. Downtown is all that makes sense.

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Yeah, people will easily travel from Sugar Land, Pearland, etc. for games in downtown.

I'd wager a fraction of those people would travel to Spring or The Woodlands.

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No one lives downtown.

You aren't speaking of realities.

Yeah I'm super confused haha

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bigjag19 said:

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There is nothing south of downtown Atlanta really. The baseball attending population was well north of downtown for the vast majority. It made sense.

Our population is everywhere. Downtown is all that makes sense.

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Yeah, people will easily travel from Sugar Land, Pearland, etc. for games in downtown.

I'd wager a fraction of those people would travel to Spring or The Woodlands.

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No one lives downtown.

You aren't speaking of realities.

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Plenty of people live Downtown actually. Probably more soon with two brand new high rises having just gone up. And tons more live in the inner-loop neighborhoods immediately surrounding it. And several others still live south of it and aren't going to The Woodlands for a sporting event, which was htxag's point.

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I was part of the first residential project in downtown Houston in 40 years. Compared to anywhere else, very few live downtown. It's 90%+ office space.

Adding those 2 only adds less than 700 units. 2000 people won't swing the metrics.

The argument was people would drive downtown instead of across town. You don't need people to drive across town if the ballpark in located in closer proximity to homes. See all the actual facts presented of other projects. The average person doesn't understand urban planning like they think.

I'm not really sure why it matters anyway. Crane has a lease through 2050ish for the Juicebox and in re-investing around it. And Houston isn't a town to move sporting events to the burbs anyway as has been discussed.

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bigjag19 said:

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There is nothing south of downtown Atlanta really. The baseball attending population was well north of downtown for the vast majority. It made sense.

Our population is everywhere. Downtown is all that makes sense.

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Yeah, people will easily travel from Sugar Land, Pearland, etc. for games in downtown.

I'd wager a fraction of those people would travel to Spring or The Woodlands.

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No one lives downtown.

You aren't speaking of realities.

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Plenty of people live Downtown actually. Probably more soon with two brand new high rises having just gone up. And tons more live in the inner-loop neighborhoods immediately surrounding it. And several others still live south of it and aren't going to The Woodlands for a sporting event, which was htxag's point.

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Over 7 million people live in the Houston area and burbs. Between 10k-12K downtown. It would be one of the smallest, if not the smallest population of all the named suburbs of Houston.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Greater_Houston

I don't like to be pedantic for its own sake but 10-12K and "no one," which is what you said, are substantively different things as a matter of course. The poster you were responding to was making a point that isn't in disagreement here (and which I don't even think you're really arguing with based on your other post?): simply that central location makes sense and is already achieved in Houston. Whereas moving north was achieving that for Atlanta.

Htxag wasn't even talking about Downtown but rather the Pearland area and adjacent.

"Ballpark in closer proximity to homes" = whose homes? The ones who opted to move to Tomball? No thanks. If you wanted to try and put one in the Heights I'd be down though.

I'm waiting to hate it but it isn't out yet.

Yeah well Dusty is making it so I'm sure it's going to suck