Beau Holder said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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W said:

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ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now

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Why? The movement of people is going the opposite direction.

The Braves built theirs a million miles from the center of Atlanta with no serviceable public transport to get you there, you have to drive, have a DD, park across the highway, walk 15 minutes, and hang there all day just to enjoy the Battery.

The Royals are seeking to put one in downtown KC which would be far superior to Kauffman being in an ocean of parking lots eight miles from any sort of entertainment scene.

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Because movement of residential preferences change.

The old thinking of paying over the top to build a ballpark near a known entity or location is cost prohibitive. And the examples you said represent the new thinking that it doesn't matter where the ballpark as long as they create an experience around it. And if the organization builds that experience around the stadium they also own and control that revenue as well. So they aren't leveraged by someone else.

Ballparks don't make as much off of concert and events as one might think. But if by going this route they are driving new revenue with those events to the bars, restaurants, shops, and multifamily around the stadium it now does put enough money in their pocket to make it worth operating year round. And if you're out in the burbs there's less properties with pull around you to make that difficult.

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I'm confused by this part. Every team considering a new stadium (Rays, Royals, A's in Vegas) wants to move closer to the heart of where people and things to do are, not further.

The A's traded building next to the Raider's stadium for no property taxes on their stadium property and $380M in public funding towards the build. There's also already a very nice minor league stadium in the burbs (Red Rock). The city wanted it on the strip to try and achor the dying south end. It was a much bigger deal that focus as much (if not more) on the Tropicana ownership to leverage this to get rid of the old Tropicana and partner with this for a new hotel, casino, and resort, ballpark complex. So only a third of this was driven by the A's (Las Vegas and Tropicana)

I used the Braves example from experience to say it was actually terribly done. The Battery and ballpark are great but the location and the involvement of NIMBYs in how it came together actually made it a ridiculous chore to attend unless you happen to live in Cobb County. At face value you are correct. From a fiscal point, it's a screaming success.

https://www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/cobb-county-annual-report-highlights-the-financial-success-of-truist-park-and-the-battery-atlanta#:~:text=The%20overall%20project%20is%20producing,and%20are%20a%20huge%20success.

"Simply put, Truist Park and The Battery Atlanta are considerably outpacing past projections and are a huge success."

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Jackal99 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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W said:

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ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now

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No thanks

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Yeah, **** that. I ain't driving to Spring or Kingwood for an Astros game.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Houston is in a thriving economic city (large and fast growing MSA), but our payroll is still quite a bit smaller compared to LAD, SD, NYY, NYM.

We've been pretty smart with balancing the need to stay competitive without jacking prices to a level we drop the fans

Very well run organization on that side of things

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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CoachAg19 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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I've been to Wrigleyville, and it's great. Unfortunately never made it to a game at Wrigley though. I'm going to Chicago next summer when the Astros play the White Sox and then making a stop for a Cubs game the next day.
MMP definitely needs more pre-and-post game attractions surrounding it.

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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n_touch said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC

— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023

Well at least we can count on the Orioles owner wrecking their long term chances of contention. This guy is a moron

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What is he saying that is wrong? If they have to raise prices, they may be pricing their fans out of being able to attend which causes even more issues.

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Monday was the ninth time this season Yordan Alvarez, Yainer Diaz, Jake Meyers and Chas McCormick were all in the lineup. The Astros are now 7-2 in those games. They've scored seven or more runs in five of them -https://t.co/ZWBR5aVmOQ

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) August 22, 2023

AgLA06 said:

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n_touch said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC

— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023

Well at least we can count on the Orioles owner wrecking their long term chances of contention. This guy is a moron

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What is he saying that is wrong? If they have to raise prices, they may be pricing their fans out of being able to attend which causes even more issues.

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Yep. It's why the Astros have been very particular on who they've extended and who they've cut loose in favor of young talent or free agency. It would be great to keep every up and coming star. But as long as dumb owners like the Mets and Padres will overpay for talent and over inflate the market, that isn't feasible.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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Agree Coors ballpark neighborhood is great. T-Mobile has a solid street of brewpubs next to it. Wrigleyville is obviously a platonic ideal.

Pre and postgame in EaDo is a lot of fun and honestly not even that far of a walk to/from the stadium, but it would be nice to have something on the MMP side of 59.

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This area needs to be developed into something awesome.



Eado is fine.

West of the ballpark is solid enough with V&A, Irma's, & Osso & Kristalla's are some nice places to eat.

A little farther south is fine too - Biggio's, Grotto, Saltgrass, Grove.

We need home plate & BUS to be replaced with something 10x better. Not just a parking lot.

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Yeah but could we make any improvements to the downtown area with Maldy in the lineup???

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linkdude said:

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Correlation or causation?

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redline248 said:

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linkdude said:

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Correlation or causation?

Monday was the ninth time this season Yordan Alvarez, Yainer Diaz, Jake Meyers and Chas McCormick were all in the lineup. The Astros are now 7-2 in those games. They've scored seven or more runs in five of them -https://t.co/ZWBR5aVmOQ

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) August 22, 2023

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I love how he throws Jake in there

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