***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to Dies Irae • 9:02a, 7/19/23
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Dies Irae said:
Luis Robert Jr is very good, but I don't think he's that much better than Chas that warrants giving so much up. Chas may be an 850+ OPS guy and the CF of the future, we haven't given him enough time to prove that he isn't.



I agree with this
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In reply to Dies Irae • 9:06a, 7/19/23
Robert is definitely better than Chas and by a wide margin, specifically when considering defense and baserunning. That said, Chicago isn't going to trade him anyway. The only real question is whether Chas should be playing everyday for this team, even when Yordan is back, and the answer is clearly yes.
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9:06a, 7/19/23
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I truly believe trading Chas would be a huge mistake. He's demonstrated that he is a productive player when he's in the lineup.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 9:07a, 7/19/23
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Mr.Bond said:
Dies Irae said:
Luis Robert Jr is very good, but I don't think he's that much better than Chas that warrants giving so much up. Chas may be an 850+ OPS guy and the CF of the future, we haven't given him enough time to prove that he isn't.



I agree with this


I disagree with this. I think we are seeing peak Chas at the moment and he will not be able to stay this good over a full season.

Robert is a different animal. Better athletically. Better power. Brighter ceiling. True annual All Star type talent.
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In reply to SpaceCityAg05 • 9:08a, 7/19/23
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SpaceCityAg05 said:
Cease for Garcia, Arrighetti, Ullola, Lee

Robert for Chas, Gilbert, Leon/Meyers, Davis

That is 8 for 2 including controllable ML replacements plus prospects for each.

And again, at that point I would work to include Graveman.

So basically my trade but you switched Garcia for Urquidy ( you need league approval for that, which is why I didn't say Garcia)

You removed Julks
Valued Myers the same as Leon…weird.
and switched Barber out for Davis (who?)
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9:09a, 7/19/23
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A lot of you are caught up in recency bias with Chas.

I love the guy. He's a nice player. But there's some regression to the mean coming. He's not a 850+ OPS player.

In no world is he comparable to Luis Robert.
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9:15a, 7/19/23
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Chas is great but Robert is way better. When both are at their mean…. Robert is still a .850+ OPS guy, and Chas is likely .775ish

Robert also hits ALOT of homeruns, which we need right now.

However … if there's a chance to keep Chas I'd do that. An outfield of Tucker, Robert, and Chas with Yordan at DH would be incredible
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9:26a, 7/19/23
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Fun day in baseball... I count three starting pitchers on the bump today who I've been told the Astros have checked in on
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9:28a, 7/19/23
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I hate to call a game in the middle of July a "must win", but it feels like one today
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In reply to tjack16 • 9:29a, 7/19/23
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tjack16 said:
I hate to call a game in the middle of July a "must win", but it feels like one today
They may not be "must win," but you can't keep losing to teams like the Rockies when you're chasing the division leader.
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9:30a, 7/19/23
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Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman
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In reply to Wabs • 9:32a, 7/19/23
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Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:34a, 7/19/23
texasaggie2015 said:
Fun day in baseball... I count three starting pitchers on the bump today who I've been told the Astros have checked in on
So we maybe should look for a pitcher that is replaced in the lineup today?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:35a, 7/19/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.
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In reply to Wabs • 9:37a, 7/19/23
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Wabs said:
Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.


I'm of the opinion that I have no problem giving up Gilbert or Melton for Robert. He's proven, they aren't. He has 2.5 years minimum left on a deal giving you time to replace Gilbert or Melton. I'd give them away in a heartbeat for Robert.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:39a, 7/19/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Fun day in baseball... I count three starting pitchers on the bump today who I've been told the Astros have checked in on


You miscounted. It's 4.

Eduardo Rodriguez
Aaron Civale
Kyle Hendricks
Dakota Hudson

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In reply to superaggie73 • 9:40a, 7/19/23
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superaggie73 said:
Wabs said:
Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.


I'm of the opinion that I have no problem giving up Gilbert or Melton for Robert. He's proven, they aren't. He has 2.5 years minimum left on a deal giving you time to replace Gilbert or Melton. I'd give them away in a heartbeat for Robert.
You'd give both of them up? Who else would you include in the package?
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In reply to superaggie73 • 9:42a, 7/19/23
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superaggie73 said:
Wabs said:
Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.


I'm of the opinion that I have no problem giving up Gilbert or Melton for Robert. He's proven, they aren't. He has 2.5 years minimum left on a deal giving you time to replace Gilbert or Melton. I'd give them away in a heartbeat for Robert.


I know you said 2.5 min. But it's more like 4.5 with the club options. Unless he falls off there is no reason why you wouldn't pick up those options.

In 2022 Fangraphs had Robert at the 8th most valuable player via trade. That factors in skills level, contract length, age, & contract amount. Yordan was 5th. Whatever you think it costs to get Yordan then the Robert trade would need to be similar.

I think the package being put on here need to be much larger.
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9:43a, 7/19/23
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 9:45a, 7/19/23
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EastCoastAgNc said:
Well, since everything has gone to plan this year...
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9:46a, 7/19/23
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My son said yordan is beginning his stint in sugar land. Where is this?
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In reply to JYDog90 • 9:47a, 7/19/23
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Willy Wonka said:
My son said yordan is beginning his stint in sugar land. Where is this?
Was posted last night
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In reply to JYDog90 • 9:48a, 7/19/23
Constellation field just outside of Houston.
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In reply to Wabs • 9:49a, 7/19/23
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Wabs said:
superaggie73 said:
Wabs said:
Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.


I'm of the opinion that I have no problem giving up Gilbert or Melton for Robert. He's proven, they aren't. He has 2.5 years minimum left on a deal giving you time to replace Gilbert or Melton. I'd give them away in a heartbeat for Robert.
You'd give both of them up? Who else would you include in the package?


Peña
Meyers/Julks
Arreghetti
Lee
Leon
Garcia
Gilbert and/or Melton

For

Cease
Robert
Anderson (if they will throw him in)

And if they prefer McCormick it's not a deal breaker and I don't blink an eye. He's a bench player anyway with an Alvarez-Robert-Tucker OF.
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In reply to JYDog90 • 9:49a, 7/19/23
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Willy Wonka said:
My son said yordan is beginning his stint in sugar land. Where is this?

Sugar Land

Just a quick ~30 min trip down 59S
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In reply to n_touch • 9:53a, 7/19/23
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n_touch said:
Constellation field just outside of Houston.


No, sorry. Where was it reported?
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In reply to JYDog90 • 9:55a, 7/19/23
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Willy Wonka said:
n_touch said:
Constellation field just outside of Houston.


No, sorry. Where was it reported?
On this thread last night. Where were you?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:55a, 7/19/23
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Farmer1906 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
Fun day in baseball... I count three starting pitchers on the bump today who I've been told the Astros have checked in on


You miscounted. It's 4.

Eduardo Rodriguez
Aaron Civale
Kyle Hendricks
Dakota Hudson

Verlander, Rodriguez, Civale.

Actually haven't heard Hendricks and Hudson specifically but that doesn't mean anything of course.
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In reply to JYDog90 • 10:03a, 7/19/23
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Willy Wonka said:
n_touch said:
Constellation field just outside of Houston.


No, sorry. Where was it reported?
Sugarland Space Cowboys social media is promoting the heck out it - Yordan and Altuve in the same line-up.

11:05 start today - afternoon baseball in Sugarland!

At first, I was thinking that was crazy to pay a day game, but it might actually be cooler from 11:00a-2:00p than it is from 7:00p-10:00p
What do you boys want for breakfast BBQ ?.....OK Chili.
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10:03a, 7/19/23
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Sent from one of my guys down in the DR right now. No scouting report available yet.
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10:03a, 7/19/23
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https://www.facebook.com/reel/772112978043495?mibextid=9drbnH&s=yWDuG2&fs=e
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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In reply to superaggie73 • 10:06a, 7/19/23
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superaggie73 said:
Wabs said:
superaggie73 said:
Wabs said:
Farmer1906 said:
Wabs said:
Pena, Chas, Meyers, Arrighetti, Leon, Barber

for

Cease, Robert, Anderson, Graveman


I don't see a path where we're not giving Gilbert & likely Melton too.
I'm with you. Just trying to figure out some package that gets Cease and Robert here w/o giving up Gilbert or Melton.


I'm of the opinion that I have no problem giving up Gilbert or Melton for Robert. He's proven, they aren't. He has 2.5 years minimum left on a deal giving you time to replace Gilbert or Melton. I'd give them away in a heartbeat for Robert.
You'd give both of them up? Who else would you include in the package?


Peña
Meyers/Julks
Arreghetti
Lee
Leon
Garcia
Gilbert and/or Melton

For

Cease
Robert
Anderson (if they will throw him in)

And if they prefer McCormick it's not a deal breaker and I don't blink an eye. He's a bench player anyway with an Alvarez-Robert-Tucker OF.





Or....... yordan is the DH for health concerns, Diaz is your catcher and Chas stays in OF
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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