***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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8:42a, 6/30/23
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Quick JP France appreciation post. Big time unsung hero of the first half.

After losing LMJ, Urquidy, Garcia and Whitley to injury and Blanco wasn't quite ready to be stretched out, things could have gone downhill quickly.

France hasn't been exceptional and I'm not sure what his upside is going forward, but he's been a rock-solid innings eater. He's now gotten through 6 innings in each of his last 6 starts. Saved us alot of bullpen bullets.

I feel like he's learning and getting better each start too. Really like his demeanor and competitive level.
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In reply to Deluxe • 8:44a, 6/30/23
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Yeah, I was thinking about this last night. I just keep waiting for regression but he seems to be getting better and better. He's going to take his lumps at some point like any rookie but he's been so damn impressive.

He's fearless and goes right at these guys. You gotta respect that. He's been incredibly valuable for us so far and I hope he can keep it up.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 8:46a, 6/30/23
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Yep, I don't know if he can keep this up all year, but he's buying us time til Urquidy gets back and we can potentially make an acquisition. Huge.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 8:46a, 6/30/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
Not to be a tease… but I had a very interesting name mentioned to me tonight that the Astros have inquired on. I want to get more clarification before throwing a name out there but I was a little surprised considering how much I think he would cost. It's a bat and he has multiple years of club control.
first name luis?
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8:52a, 6/30/23
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I actually saw his name mentioned on Twitter so I guess it's already being speculated. I'll just go ahead and say yeah Luis Robert is the name. I'm trying to find out if it was just an inquiry or if there's been multiple conversations.
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8:54a, 6/30/23
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Thru May 14th
1498 PA
88 wRC+
.238 BA
.307 OBP
.365 SLG
.672 OPS
8.0% BB%
21.6% K%

Since May 15th
1572 PA
117 wRC+
.259 BA
.331 OBP
.449 SLG
.781 OPS
9.1% BB%
20.4% K%

Altuve came back May 19th. Even with Yordan out since June 8th, the offense is back to where it needs to be. Now, obviously, it's not all due to Tuve. Breggy, Diaz, & Tucker have gotten hot. Chas, Julks, Dubon, Meyers, & Abreu have been solid. The little man seems to stir the drink. He's the spark plug. He's the heart.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 8:55a, 6/30/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
I actually saw his name mentioned on Twitter so I guess it's already being speculated. I'll just go ahead and say yeah Luis Robert is the name. I'm trying to find out if it was just an inquiry or if there's been multiple conversations.
I think someone, maybe Farmer, threw out an example of what it would take to get him. It would mean a package that would most likely include Gilbert (plus 2,3 or 4 more prospects). Worth it? Maybe because Robert is under control through 2027.
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8:56a, 6/30/23
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If Abreu stays like this it might be the biggest acquisition we could hope for
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8:58a, 6/30/23
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Robert is one of the few guys I'd be willing to give up Gilbert for. He instantly makes us a much better team and controlled through 2027.

1) Altuve 2B
2) Bregman 3B
3) Yordan DH
4) Robert CF
5) Tucker RF
6) Abreu 1B
7) Diaz C
8) Pena SS
9) Whoever isn't traded between Chas/Jake in LF (or Brantley)

Yes please.
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In reply to Wabs • 8:58a, 6/30/23
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Wabs said:
texasaggie2015 said:
I actually saw his name mentioned on Twitter so I guess it's already being speculated. I'll just go ahead and say yeah Luis Robert is the name. I'm trying to find out if it was just an inquiry or if there's been multiple conversations.
I think someone, maybe Farmer, threw out an example of what it would take to get him. It would mean a package that would most likely include Gilbert (plus 2,3 or 4 more prospects). Worth it? Maybe because Robert is under control through 2027.
That was for Cease & Gravemen too in whatever hypothetical we were talking.

Think whatever you would want to get Tucker then add to it for Robert since he's got 4.5 years of control (2 team options for 20 M ea at the end of his deal)

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:59a, 6/30/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Altuve came back May 19th. Even with Yordan out since June 8th, the offense is back to where it needs to be. Now, obviously, it's not all due to Tuve. Breggy, Diaz, & Tucker have gotten hot. Chas, Julks, Dubon, Meyers, & Abreu have been solid. The little man seems to stir the drink. He's the spark plug. He's the heart.
Yep. Yordan might be our best player, but the offense goes as Altuve goes. When he's getting on base and setting the tone, we're a much different team.
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In reply to Deluxe • 9:00a, 6/30/23
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Deluxe said:
Quick JP France appreciation post. Big time unsung hero of the first half.

After losing LMJ, Urquidy, Garcia and Whitley to injury and Blanco wasn't quite ready to be stretched out, things could have gone downhill quickly.

France hasn't been exceptional and I'm not sure what his upside is going forward, but he's been a rock-solid innings eater. He's now gotten through 6 innings in each of his last 6 starts. Saved us alot of bullpen bullets.

I feel like he's learning and getting better each start too. Really like his demeanor and competitive level.


He has a 3.13 ERA, that's better than solid in my book
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:00a, 6/30/23
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Yes, now I remember Cease and Graveman were in that package. Adding those two plus Robert would be absolutely huge. It would strip our farm but man would it ever open the window wide for the next 2-3 years. Robert would be a HUGE impact bat.
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9:02a, 6/30/23
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https://theathletic.com/4654392/2023/06/30/mlb-mets-trade-deadline-options/


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Astros open to trading outfielder
The potential lack of sellers in the trade market is prompting executives to explore alternative solutions. Astros general manager Dana Brown, for example, is looking into exchanges of major-league players that would help both his club and a fellow contender fill respective needs.

The Astros, under previous GM James Click, made such a deal at the 2021 deadline, sending outfielder Myles Straw to Cleveland for reliever Phil Maton and catcher Yainer Diaz, who was then a minor leaguer. Brown is open about again trading an outfielder. The Astros have three who bat right-handed, Chas McCormick, Jake Meyers and Corey Julks.

"We're exploring trading major-league player for major-league player with teams that are contending that make sense," Brown said. "We have a lot of outfielders right now. If we could move an outfield piece for something that could fill another need, we probably would be interested in doing that. Player for player? Yeah. We have to get creative to open up the market. We're definitely exploring that."

The Yankees had previous interest in McCormick, according to major-league sources who were granted anonymity so they could speak candidly. McCormick's opposite-field power would appear ideal for the short right-field porch at Yankee Stadium. The teams, however, never got close on a deal.

Brown, comfortable with the performances of his young starting pitchers, identified "a bat" as the Astros' biggest need. Michael Brantley, recovering from right shoulder surgery, is expected back around the All-Star break. The same goes for Yordan Alvarez, who is dealing with a right oblique strain.

The Astros, five games back in the AL West but only a half-game out in the wild-card race, begin what could prove a telling four-game series against the Rangers in Arlington on Friday night. Brown, who was the Braves' scouting director before joining the Astros in January, dismissed any notion of bolstering his thin farm system by trading off veteran parts.

"I can't see any scenario where we sell," Brown said. "The thing I keep remembering is last year in Atlanta, we were 10 back and we ran the Mets down. I have no interest in selling, zero.

My takeaways
  • backs up what 2015 told us about Jake/Chas being traded
  • I would die a little inside if we get the Yankees Chazzyfizz
  • Bat is the bigger target, not arm
  • 5 games back June 30th ain't *****
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    9:13a, 6/30/23
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    Looking at any Luis Robert talk on twitter.





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    In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:16a, 6/30/23
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    Oh I am not challenging the thought that the front office is not counting on anything from Brantley at all. As I said he may not ever come back, but I personally do not think it will have anything to do with the amount of time it has been since he has seen big league pitching. It will be entirely due to his ability to recover from the injury adequately to return to his former form.

    Brantley is the consummate pro, it's his mental approach to hitting and that is not going to change. He is very disciplined, he stays in great shape. So, IMHO, Brantley's return is entirely related to the injury and zero to do with working out the rust.

    If it was someone other than MB, I would maybe agree with you on the time off, rust aspect, but not Brantley. He's the exception in that regard. Time will catch up but not yet. It's all about whether the injury changes his swing or slows it or if keeps flaring up. And that is the issue that cannot be counted on.

    His value in the club house, IMHO, is tremendous.
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    In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:26a, 6/30/23
    The White Sox need to do a true rebuild in my opinion. The haul they could get for Robert and Cease…
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    9:28a, 6/30/23
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    Haven't the WhiteSox had issues with effort from Robert (not running out ground balls, slow in the field)? Yea he's great offensively, but we don't want another Carlos Gomez situation.
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    In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 9:31a, 6/30/23
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    EastCoastAgNc said:
    Haven't the WhiteSox had issues with effort from Robert (not running out ground balls, slow in the field)? Yea he's great offensively, but we don't want another Carlos Gomez situation.
    Yeah, they've had issues with a couple of their young guys- Robert included. He's been benched a couple times if I recall correctly. Maybe a change of scenery and a new clubhouse would help. Or maybe this would bring his value down just a tad. I'm not buying that he's untouchable from what I've heard. They probably made that statement to try to increase his value.
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    In reply to texasaggie2015 • 9:37a, 6/30/23
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    I would love to buy low on Tim Anderson. I think a change in scenery will fix him. There isn't exactly a spot for him here.
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    9:49a, 6/30/23
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    IIRC the issues with Roberts were happening when LaRussa was there and there were all kinds of issues in that locker room.
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    In reply to Ag_07 • 9:51a, 6/30/23
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    This year too.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36324619/white-sox-bench-luis-robert-not-running-grounder



    Quote:
    White Sox bench OF Luis Robert for not running out grounder

    CHICAGO -- After jogging lightly to first base on a ground ball back to the pitcher, White Sox center fielder Luis Robert Jr was pulled from the team's 12-3 loss to the Tampa Bay Rays on Saturday.
    But I think his explanation is fair.


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    "What happened was, last [Friday] night, I hustled a lot down the line," Robert said through the team interpreter after the Chicago's 10th consecutive loss. "Today my legs were a little tired. My right hamstring was a little tight. Then I decided just to play conservative today. ... I think my mistake was that I didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell the manager because I knew if I said something to him, he probably wouldn't let me play."
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    10:05a, 6/30/23
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    Bieber and Soler? Or Cease and Robert? Yes please and thank you.
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    In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:12a, 6/30/23
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    Farmer1906 said:
    I would love to buy low on Tim Anderson. I think a change in scenery will fix him. There isn't exactly a spot for him here.

    I LOVE Tim Anderson. But agree I don't know where you plug him in here.
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    In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:14a, 6/30/23
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    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    All I do is Nguyen said:
    Jake is starting to look more like he did pre-injury. Which is what I've been wanting to see happen because I had high hopes for him back in '21.

    We truly have an abundance of riches with Chas, Jake
    good. we need them to keep producing and one be ready to be traded.

    Why would you want to trade either?
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    10:15a, 6/30/23
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    I've been saying for a while on this board that either Jake or Chas will be traded away before or at the deadline. This is still true.
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    In reply to gigemJTH12 • 10:17a, 6/30/23
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    gigemJTH12 said:
    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    All I do is Nguyen said:
    Jake is starting to look more like he did pre-injury. Which is what I've been wanting to see happen because I had high hopes for him back in '21.

    We truly have an abundance of riches with Chas, Jake
    good. we need them to keep producing and one be ready to be traded.

    Why would you want to trade either?
    Did you just bump a 6 week old post with an article I already posted?

    I get that has been an idea for a while (see 2015), but I still don't agree. I would roll with Chas & Jake unless we can reasonably add an upgrade that isn't a short-term rental.
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    In reply to texasaggie2015 • 10:19a, 6/30/23
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    texasaggie2015 said:
    I've been saying for a while on this board that either Jake or Chas will be traded away before or at the deadline. This is still true.
    If that's the case, who has more value? If I have to pick between those two, I'm trading Chas. My feeling is the organization feels the same.
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    10:19a, 6/30/23
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    Chas should be begging for a trade
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    In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:33a, 6/30/23
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    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    All I do is Nguyen said:
    Jake is starting to look more like he did pre-injury. Which is what I've been wanting to see happen because I had high hopes for him back in '21.

    We truly have an abundance of riches with Chas, Jake
    good. we need them to keep producing and one be ready to be traded.

    Why would you want to trade either?
    Did you just bump a 6 week old post with an article I already posted?

    I get that has been an idea for a while (see 2015), but I still don't agree. I would roll with Chas & Jake unless we can reasonably add an upgrade that isn't a short-term rental.

    Farmer: You guys know I don't read through every post.

    Farmer: Did you just post something I already posted?

    (haha, just messing with you)
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    In reply to Marvin • 10:40a, 6/30/23
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    Marvin said:
    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    Farmer1906 said:
    gigemJTH12 said:
    All I do is Nguyen said:
    Jake is starting to look more like he did pre-injury. Which is what I've been wanting to see happen because I had high hopes for him back in '21.

    We truly have an abundance of riches with Chas, Jake
    good. we need them to keep producing and one be ready to be traded.

    Why would you want to trade either?
    Did you just bump a 6 week old post with an article I already posted?

    I get that has been an idea for a while (see 2015), but I still don't agree. I would roll with Chas & Jake unless we can reasonably add an upgrade that isn't a short-term rental.

    Farmer: You guys know I don't read through every post.

    Farmer: Did you just post something I already posted?

    (haha, just messing with you)


    I was proud someone bumped a take. I have plenty of bad ones. I'm not immune to being called out. But there has been a lot of discourse on this potential trade for weeks now. The article is just a few posts up too.
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    10:45a, 6/30/23
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    So what did we decide a Robert trade would require? I really like the idea, but it would probably put an expiration date on this era of Astros baseball.
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    In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:46a, 6/30/23
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    Quote:
    "What happened was, last [Friday] night, I hustled a lot down the line," Robert said through the team interpreter after the Chicago's 10th consecutive loss.
    If we did somehow acquire Robert we would definitely lead the majors in guys that need an interpreter (if we don't already).
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    10:49a, 6/30/23
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    In reply to Prosperdick • 10:50a, 6/30/23
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    Yup



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