***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to Marvin • 9:21p, 6/22/23
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Was Bregman's MVP caliber 2019 his prime? Cuz that was a pretty good year
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In reply to Marvin • 9:23p, 6/22/23
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Marvin said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
Can Bregman hold Caminiti's bong with respect to defense? I say no.



Caminiti: .946% fielding

Bregman: .967% fielding


Lies, damn lies, and stats. Or something like that. No way anyone that watched these two in person in their primes would take Bregman over Cam. No way.

I'll die on this hill.


Well I was one years old during Caminiti's final season in Houston… so all I have to go by are stats
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9:25p, 6/22/23
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1B Bagwell
2B Altuve
SS Dickie Thon
3B Cammy
LF Berkman
CF Cedeno
RF Wynn
DH Yordan
C Biggio

Bench
Cruz (it pains me not to start him)


SP
JRR
Roy O
JV
Framber (roll the dice and I need a lefty)
DK

RP
Joe Sambito
Dave Smith
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In reply to Marvin • 9:26p, 6/22/23
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Marvin said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
Can Bregman hold Caminiti's bong with respect to defense? I say no.



Caminiti: .946% fielding

Bregman: .967% fielding


Lies, damn lies, and stats. Or something like that. No way anyone that watched these two in person in their primes would take Bregman over Cam. No way.

I'll die on this hill.


Cammy pre dope and steroids or post?

And I agree by the way.
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9:29p, 6/22/23
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I think Doug Rader was the Astro's best third baseman ever, 5 gold gloves.

And he had that Red Rooster in the dome's upper deck, two seats over from the Toy Cannon.
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9:40p, 6/22/23
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Underrated Astros

Billy Doran
Dave Smith
Ken Forsch
Wade Miller
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 9:43p, 6/22/23
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Phil Garner gets a nod for being both a pretty good player and the manager to finally get us to a World Series.
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9:44p, 6/22/23
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the Mariners did the 'stros a solid in the Bronx tonight

Astros would be the 5-seed or 6-seed if the season ended today
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In reply to Marvin • 9:47p, 6/22/23
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I loved watching Cammy play, but Bregman is a better player than ASTROS Cammy was. Padres Cammy was MVP caliber for obvious reasons, but Cammy was not a consistent bat in Houston, and the dWAR metrics favor Bregman as well.
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In reply to tjack16 • 9:55p, 6/22/23
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tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
Can Bregman hold Caminiti's bong with respect to defense? I say no.



Caminiti: .946% fielding

Bregman: .967% fielding


Lies, damn lies, and stats. Or something like that. No way anyone that watched these two in person in their primes would take Bregman over Cam. No way.

I'll die on this hill.


Well I was one years old during Caminiti's final season in Houston… so all I have to go by are stats


Ouch.
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In reply to Ag4life80 • 10:02p, 6/22/23
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Ag4life80 said:
Underrated Astros

Billy Doran
Dave Smith
Ken Forsch
Wade Miller



Completely forgot about wade. Wow
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Marvin • 10:09p, 6/22/23
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Marvin said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
Can Bregman hold Caminiti's bong with respect to defense? I say no.



Caminiti: .946% fielding

Bregman: .967% fielding


Lies, damn lies, and stats. Or something like that. No way anyone that watched these two in person in their primes would take Bregman over Cam. No way.

I'll die on this hill.


And even worse… bad stats.

It's been a long long time since I've seen Cami. I remember him being more of a Chapman type. Able to play deep and rely on his arm. Bregman probably has more range and makes that play running in as well as anyone.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:18p, 6/22/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Marvin said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
Can Bregman hold Caminiti's bong with respect to defense? I say no.



Caminiti: .946% fielding

Bregman: .967% fielding


Lies, damn lies, and stats. Or something like that. No way anyone that watched these two in person in their primes would take Bregman over Cam. No way.

I'll die on this hill.


And even worse… bad stats.

It's been a long long time since I've seen Cami. I remember him being more of a Chapman type. Able to play deep and rely on his arm. Bregman probably has more range and makes that play running in as well as anyone.


Catlike reflexes and a cannon. That charging in play didn't happen much on the dome carpet. But the ball did come at you fast.
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10:23p, 6/22/23
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10:56p, 6/22/23
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Back in the 80's Charlie Kerfeld was a somewhat underrated pitcher.
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In reply to Marvin • 11:04p, 6/22/23
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Marvin said:
So the mods just quietly delete Rangers posts on this thread with no commentary, no warnings, and no bans?

I'll say it. That's a blatant double standard. Some might call it chicken***** Be better, staff.
I still can't believe the mods gave me three ****ing days in the hole for just posting an umpire's scorecard with ZERO commentary and yet rangerettes can post here with full immunity. What absolute double standard ******bags.

It's obvious where their rooting allegiances lie.
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11:29p, 6/22/23
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I remember watching Dave Smith close out some games when I was young, but I have to ask. Would you guys a little more up there in years really take him over Wagner?
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In reply to redline248 • 11:54p, 6/22/23
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The starters I chose are all throwing complete games so they won't need Wagner.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 6:30a, 6/23/23
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It has always been this way, whoever moderates this board lives in Euless or Grand Prairie for sure
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6:31a, 6/23/23
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Curious to see who you guys Mount Rushmore of the Astros is. Just in general


But more fun might be the Mount Rushmore of worst/most hated of all time.


All time great Mount Rushmore
Altuve
Biggio
Ryan
Last spot: will be Yordan will all said and done

All time worst/hated (recency bias incoming)
Mike Fiers
2016 Carlos Gomez
2023 Montero
Tyler White
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In reply to redline248 • 6:41a, 6/23/23
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redline248 said:
I remember watching Dave Smith close out some games when I was young, but I have to ask. Would you guys a little more up there in years really take him over Wagner?


No, I was at Game 6 vs the Mets in 1986 and watched Smith blow yet another save against them. Smith never had the gas on his fastball.
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In reply to tjack16 • 7:14a, 6/23/23
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tjack16 said:

Tyler White


No argument here
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8:10a, 6/23/23
Lots of names and no mention of Jose Lima
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In reply to Prosperdick • 8:15a, 6/23/23
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Prosperdick said:
Marvin said:
So the mods just quietly delete Rangers posts on this thread with no commentary, no warnings, and no bans?

I'll say it. That's a blatant double standard. Some might call it chicken***** Be better, staff.
I still can't believe the mods gave me three ****ing days in the hole for just posting an umpire's scorecard with ZERO commentary and yet rangerettes can post here with full immunity. What absolute double standard ******bags.

It's obvious where they're rooting allegiances lie.

Do we actually know our uninvited guest wasn't banned, or are we just assuming because it wasn't announced?
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In reply to DVC2010 • 8:31a, 6/23/23
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DVC2010 said:
Prosperdick said:
Marvin said:
So the mods just quietly delete Rangers posts on this thread with no commentary, no warnings, and no bans?

I'll say it. That's a blatant double standard. Some might call it chicken***** Be better, staff.
I still can't believe the mods gave me three ****ing days in the hole for just posting an umpire's scorecard with ZERO commentary and yet rangerettes can post here with full immunity. What absolute double standard ******bags.

It's obvious where they're rooting allegiances lie.

Do we actually know our uninvited guest wasn't banned, or are we just assuming because it wasn't announced?


He/She posted something this morning, so yeah we know.
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In reply to tjack16 • 8:47a, 6/23/23
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tjack16 said:

...But more fun might be the Mount Rushmore of worst/most hated of all time.

Mike Fiers
Ken Giles
Carlos Gomez
edited: Jake Odorizzi
(dis)honorable mention: World Series postgame Garrit Cole
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In reply to spadilly • 8:57a, 6/23/23
Huff was here half a season and was pretty solid. Why do you think he warrants that level of hate? Too redass?
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In reply to MaxPower • 9:01a, 6/23/23
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MaxPower said:
Huff was here half a season and was pretty solid. Why do you think he warrants that level of hate? Too redass?
That's fair. His play here was good. I just hate the personality and person he has become after his career. I'll go back and edit mine to just playing career only.
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In reply to Cooter00 • 9:47a, 6/23/23
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Cooter00 said:
Lots of names and no mention of Jose Lima


As long as it was Lima in the dome.
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In reply to tjack16 • 9:49a, 6/23/23
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tjack16 said:
Curious to see who you guys Mount Rushmore of the Astros is. Just in general


But more fun might be the Mount Rushmore of worst/most hated of all time.


All time great Mount Rushmore
Altuve
Biggio
Ryan
Last spot: will be Yordan will all said and done

All time worst/hated (recency bias incoming)
Mike Fiers
2016 Carlos Gomez
2023 Montero
Tyler White


Watching Carlos Lee waddle around the outfield making 100 mil at the end of his time here was pretty annoying.
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In reply to MosesHallRAB04 • 10:17a, 6/23/23
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MosesHallRAB04 said:
tjack16 said:
Curious to see who you guys Mount Rushmore of the Astros is. Just in general


But more fun might be the Mount Rushmore of worst/most hated of all time.


All time great Mount Rushmore
Altuve
Biggio
Ryan
Last spot: will be Yordan will all said and done

All time worst/hated (recency bias incoming)
Mike Fiers
2016 Carlos Gomez
2023 Montero
Tyler White


Watching Carlos Lee waddle around the outfield making 100 mil at the end of his time here was pretty annoying.
And to think, now we have Jose Abreu, the Tyler White of Carlos Lee's.
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10:22a, 6/23/23
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My Mt Rushmore of hated players.







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10:24a, 6/23/23
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My Mt Rushmore of most hated Astros

Dusty Baker
johnny Baker
Johnny B. Baker
johnny B. Baker, Jr
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10:27a, 6/23/23
Do Woody Williams or Kaz Matsui have a spot, or is the hatred not that high for them? Maybe Tim Pupura should be on to represent those two?
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10:31a, 6/23/23
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If we are talking Mt Rushmore of non players it's

Tim Purpura
Ed Wade
The Carpetbagger
Uncle Drayton after 2005 when he started pulling cash out.
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