***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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11:58a, 4/19/23
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So tired of the played out 'Learn the pitching staff' excuse.

I used to buy into that BS then Vasquez came in last year at the deadline and had a lower ERA then Maldy and caught a no hitter in the WS.

Diaz was in ST the entire time including when Maldy was in the WBC...Did he not catch any of those guys for 2 months?

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In reply to agproducer • 12:03p, 4/19/23
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There's a reason Maldy was re-signed. Just saying...
Could that reason be that we had no GM and Dusty was allowed a lot of input?

edit: I think I'm off by a year, here. Maldy re-signed in 2021?
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12:11p, 4/19/23
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In reply to linkdude • 12:14p, 4/19/23
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Considering how hurt Maldy was, Vasquez was much needed insurance. I'm just surprised he didn't play much.
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12:19p, 4/19/23
would have love to have been able to keep Vasquez for 3/30. He's playing well this year, 800 OPS.
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In reply to redline248 • 12:23p, 4/19/23
redline248 said:
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There's a reason Maldy was re-signed. Just saying...
Could that reason be that we had no GM and Dusty was allowed a lot of input?

edit: I think I'm off by a year, here. Maldy re-signed in 2021?
The Astros may have re-singed Maldy anyway, but his option vested last year because of how much he ended up playing.

I personally think if his option wouldn't have vested, the Astros would have re-signed Vazquez.
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In reply to tjack16 • 12:43p, 4/19/23
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tjack16 said:
I feel like Dusty is that guy in the group project who is unreliable, doesn't know what's going on, but then on the day of the presentation he comes in and nails it out of nowhere.

The regular season he's horribly frustrating, inept at times… but when the postseason hits he has been absolute nails with his decisions.
Almost like he knows what the "right" decision is but likes giving different players a variety of chances over the course of the season (for a multitude of reasons) because every game isn't a must win like the playoffs.....
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12:59p, 4/19/23
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Our buddy Chandler has heard our discussion.

https://theathletic.com/4426381/2023/04/19/yainer-diaz-prospect-astros-at-bats?source=user-shared-article

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In reply to htxag09 • 1:17p, 4/19/23
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htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
I feel like Dusty is that guy in the group project who is unreliable, doesn't know what's going on, but then on the day of the presentation he comes in and nails it out of nowhere.

The regular season he's horribly frustrating, inept at times… but when the postseason hits he has been absolute nails with his decisions.
Almost like he knows what the "right" decision is but likes giving different players a variety of chances over the course of the season (for a multitude of reasons) because every game isn't a must win like the playoffs.....


Exactly. It isn't a "must win" which is why it's important to develop players like Diaz.
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1:20p, 4/19/23
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There is no defense to pinch-hitting Salazar with the game on the line. None.
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In reply to W • 1:24p, 4/19/23
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looking for Big Luis to deliver a series win tonight
I'd just like to see him go 6 while only giving up 3 for the first time this season.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:27p, 4/19/23
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Eh, every time it's brought up from now on I'll remember Niko and the outrage everyone had over Dusty continuing to play him.
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It's so bad, he's either incompetent or purposely throwing games!!!!
Guess who was cut and didn't take up a spot on our World Series Championship roster......
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In reply to htxag09 • 1:35p, 4/19/23
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htxag09 said:
Eh, every time it's brought up from now on I'll remember Niko and the outrage everyone had over Dusty continuing to play him.
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It's so bad, he's either incompetent or purposely throwing games!!!!
Guess who was cut and didn't take up a spot on our World Series Championship roster......


Funny you bring him up. He was a obvious platoon player that rarely got played vs LHP. Career .816 OPS. Dusty gave him 8 PA vs LHP.
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In reply to agproducer • 1:55p, 4/19/23
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agproducer said:
Our buddy Chandler has heard our discussion.

https://theathletic.com/4426381/2023/04/19/yainer-diaz-prospect-astros-at-bats?source=user-shared-article



Read between the lines:


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"I think he's getting some valuable at-bats here," Dana Brown said before the game. "At some point, we may be able to give him a few more at-bats. Dusty can get a little more creative, whether it's DH or potentially left field. I don't think he's losing development time. I think, at some point, he'll get over the 300 at-bats that I think we need him to get. I don't think his development will be hindered at all, but sooner he'll get in more games, hopefully."
He's on pace for 162 ABs.

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2:07p, 4/19/23
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My last comment on this dead horse conversation... until the lineup is posted and I ***** 1 more time.

This is from Harry in the 2021 thread:


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The catcher position hit .228 with an OPS of .695 - Maldonado hit .172 with an OPS of .573.

He's a good defender, but 56 points of BA and 122 of OPS is a huge amount. As far as I can tell, he's the 2nd worst hitting catcher in baseball this season behind Austin Hedges and there is a significant gap between them and the middle of the pack (.730ish OPS)

The average SS hits .257 and has a .729 OPS. Would you be OK with a SS that hit .201 and had a .607 OPS? How good of a fielder would he have to be to make that OK?

Just for perspective the worst hitting season Adam Everett ever had as a regular was .239 with a .642 OPS...and he had a 4.1 defensive WAR that year which led baseball and was the 15th best defensive WAR of all time, so basically the best defender in baseball that year.
We have been having this conversation about Maldonado for 3 seasons now.

Castro, Vazquez, and now Diaz cannot overthrow the king behind the plate.



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2:16p, 4/19/23
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:30p, 4/19/23
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Farmer1906 said:
agproducer said:
Our buddy Chandler has heard our discussion.

https://theathletic.com/4426381/2023/04/19/yainer-diaz-prospect-astros-at-bats?source=user-shared-article



Read between the lines:


Quote:
"I think he's getting some valuable at-bats here," Dana Brown said before the game. "At some point, we may be able to give him a few more at-bats. Dusty can get a little more creative, whether it's DH or potentially left field. I don't think he's losing development time. I think, at some point, he'll get over the 300 at-bats that I think we need him to get. I don't think his development will be hindered at all, but sooner he'll get in more games, hopefully."
He's on pace for 162 ABs.



We'll, in fairness to Dana, he didn't state how many seasons it would take to get those 300 ABs .
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:32p, 4/19/23
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Farmer1906 said:
My last comment on this dead horse conversation... until the lineup is posted and I ***** 1 more time.

This is from Harry in the 2021 thread:


Quote:
The catcher position hit .228 with an OPS of .695 - Maldonado hit .172 with an OPS of .573.

He's a good defender, but 56 points of BA and 122 of OPS is a huge amount. As far as I can tell, he's the 2nd worst hitting catcher in baseball this season behind Austin Hedges and there is a significant gap between them and the middle of the pack (.730ish OPS)

The average SS hits .257 and has a .729 OPS. Would you be OK with a SS that hit .201 and had a .607 OPS? How good of a fielder would he have to be to make that OK?

Just for perspective the worst hitting season Adam Everett ever had as a regular was .239 with a .642 OPS...and he had a 4.1 defensive WAR that year which led baseball and was the 15th best defensive WAR of all time, so basically the best defender in baseball that year.
We have been having this conversation about Maldonado for 3 seasons now.

Castro, Vazquez, and now Diaz cannot overthrow the king behind the plate.



The Astros and everyone know it, and Dusty doesn't care
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:42p, 4/19/23
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That is exactly my point. They are seeing what they have in Salazar and the Diaz ABs will come.
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2:57p, 4/19/23
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Update. Diaz projected ABs down to 153. Maldy has now started 5 of the last 6. Diaz has started 5 total starts (4 catcher, 1 DH). If the rotation turns over before the next start, pitchers will tie him in # of starts soon.
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In reply to linkdude • 3:01p, 4/19/23
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Dusty can get a little more creative, whether it's DH or potentially left field.
Hensley 7
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In reply to agproducer • 3:01p, 4/19/23
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agproducer said:
That is exactly my point. They are seeing what they have in Salazar and the Diaz ABs will come.


Do you think fewer at bats will be available or more when Brantley & Altuve get back?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:03p, 4/19/23
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It doesn't matter as long as the Astros find out what they have in Salazar


/sarcasm
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3:04p, 4/19/23
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What's going on here?



Also, we thought the Oxy patch was hideous.

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In reply to htxag09 • 3:05p, 4/19/23
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htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
I feel like Dusty is that guy in the group project who is unreliable, doesn't know what's going on, but then on the day of the presentation he comes in and nails it out of nowhere.

The regular season he's horribly frustrating, inept at times… but when the postseason hits he has been absolute nails with his decisions.
Almost like he knows what the "right" decision is but likes giving different players a variety of chances over the course of the season (for a multitude of reasons) because every game isn't a must win like the playoffs.....

This isn't a rhetorical question nor a leading one. Just a legitimately curious one after reading "every game isn't a must win" in this context. What is the cut off before the manager should be expected to at least attempt to win games? May? June? How many games back do you have to be before it qualifies?

Salazar has no spot on this roster once it's healthy and Lee or Diaz is ready to be the full-time backup. The team's GM has been very transparent about this. There is no meaningful "finding out what you have" in the context in which you send him out to face Jordan Romano while your hit-first catching prospect is languishing in the dugout.
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3:11p, 4/19/23
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So now we have two different NY pitchers who appear to have been found with something on their hands or in their glove that should not be there and both were allowed to clean up.

Nothing to see boys. Nothing to see here at all.
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3:13p, 4/19/23
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Wait, He got caught, got told to clean up and was dumb enough to still keep doing it?

Here is your sign Max.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:13p, 4/19/23
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No, because I think Salazar will be sent down when LMJ or Altuve is activated. Diaz will take Salazar's ABs and he will serve as primary backup catcher.

I think the transactions will be:

Julks sent down when Brantley is back (because of options/not performance).
Salazar down when Altuve is back.

Edited to correct idiocy.

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In reply to agproducer • 3:16p, 4/19/23
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agproducer said:
No, because I think Salazar will be sent down when LMJ or Altuve is activated. Diaz will take Salazar's ABs and he will serve as primary backup catcher.

I think the transactions will be:

Julks sent down when Brantley is back (because of options/not performance).
Salazar down when Altuve is back.
Meyers or Hensley down when LMJ is back.


You expect to keep 14 pitchers when Lance comes back? He will replace a different pitcher
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 3:17p, 4/19/23
Mathguy64 said:
Wait, He got caught, got told to clean up and was dumb enough to still keep doing it?

Here is your sign Max.
Must be a New York thing
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 3:17p, 4/19/23
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Nope. You're right. Martinez or Blanco will go down when LMJ is back.
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