You can't not include the years he was injured and pitched very little.
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That's the whole point. He was a workhorse. Now he's been injured. The point about only having 3 200 innings seasons in his first 6 isn't a knock on him. That's actually good.
EastCoastAgNc said:
JV to the Mets. Calling it now. Uncle Stevie pulls out the checkbook.
Stephen Matz shunned them last year, then Stevo went and got Scherzer...Mets aren't going with Verlander. It's going to be Senga and Rodon.
When you fall to your knees and ask God for help, don’t forget to fall back on your knees and say ‘thank you’ when He answers.- Steve Torrence
redline248 said:
Wow, was anyone else gonna give him that?
Is someone going to look at that and say JV is worth more per year.
Mets number was around 3/120
When you fall to your knees and ask God for help, don’t forget to fall back on your knees and say ‘thank you’ when He answers.- Steve Torrence
Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
Lunhow now has a second career as a motivational speaker?
Crane must not answer his texts, anymore
Robbie Ray led the AL in 2021 with 193 IP.agproducer said:
DeGrom pitched fewer than 160 innings over the last two seasons.
He's only had seasons of 200+ innings 3 times in his 9 year MLB career.
EastCoastAgNc said:Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
The greatest path to decline is cheating your ass off and getting caught.EastCoastAgNc said:Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
EastCoastAgNc said:Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
And the astros got a lot better too.
That's a good pickup for the Rangers. Pretty crazy that he got less per year than what JV wants. 5 years isn't crazy long either.
Signing Abreau and canning Click shows there is no sense of complacency in Astros management
Great signing for rangers yesterday. So of course the discussion on their thread is how city of Houston doesn't like them. It's a bizarre obsession with making sure everyone knows you really really don't care about something. Very Tsip like.
Great signing for rangers yesterday. So of course the discussion on their thread is how city of Houston doesn't like them. It's a bizarre obsession with making sure everyone knows you really really don't care about something. Very Tsip like.
Ranger fans are a silly bunch
Harry Dunne said:The greatest path to decline is cheating your ass off and getting caught.EastCoastAgNc said:Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
I know right of all the teams caught cheating the Astros are the only ones to reach the WS 4 times and win in 2 since 2017. Really makes you wonder what the Red Sox, Dodgers and Yanks really were doing.
5 years is very long for a 34 year old with significant recent injury history.Cynic said:
That's a good pickup for the Rangers. Pretty crazy that he got less per year than what JV wants. 5 years isn't crazy long either.
If he plays consistently it's a great signing, but it's a huge risk. You never know how each individual is going to age, either. Especially a power pitcher. Very few pitchers maintain velocity that late in their career.
Just look at Greinke. He was never as fast as DeGrom (I remember him as a mid to upper 90s), but by the end of his time here he could barely hit 90 on a 4-seamer.
The Padres have had two in-person meetings with Trea Turner, sources tell me and @Ken_Rosenthal. San Diego appears to have legitimate interest in signing the star shortstop. https://t.co/cr5ndYmYug
— Dennis Lin (@dennistlin) December 3, 2022
Wait. Are they going to potentially stick Tatis, Jr. in the outfield or are they somehow moving on without him? How would they get out of his massive contract?
Would put him in LF I would think. Neither Turner nor Tatis is an amazing fielder, but Turner is definitely better than Tatis.OKCAg2002 said:
Wait. Are they going to potentially stick Tatis, Jr. in the outfield or are they somehow moving on without him? How would they get out of his massive contract?
IIRC Tatis is an awful SS
Ag_07 said:
IIRC Tatis is an awful SS
With a bad barber. Or unclean house.
Hard to tell really.
MAROON said:
Funny Twitter post
DeGrom got a taste of the playoffs this season and decided he had seen enough
5 years, $185mm AND Octobers off
the strange thing with Trea Turner...that none of the national baseball media wants to discuss...
why are the Dodgers okay with letting him walk?
why are the Dodgers okay with letting him walk?
W said:
the strange thing with Trea Turner...that none of the national baseball media wants to discuss...
why are the Dodgers okay with letting him walk?
Turner isn't asking for enough $$. The Dodgers are hell bent on only buying the most expensive players.
W said:
the strange thing with Trea Turner...that none of the national baseball media wants to discuss...
why are the Dodgers okay with letting him walk?
Same thing I was thinking. I don't know them well enough to have an idea if they have a prospect they want to bring up and spend the money elsewhere. But even more strange if they let him walk to go-to a division rival that's trying to build up a contender.
Gig em Stros
W said:
the strange thing with Trea Turner...that none of the national baseball media wants to discuss...
why are the Dodgers okay with letting him walk?
Good question. They seem to be playing things close to the vest. I think they're something like 120M under what they were last year. They might go nuts and get Verlander, Correa, & Nimmo.
Harry Dunne said:Robbie Ray led the AL in 2021 with 193 IP.agproducer said:
DeGrom pitched fewer than 160 innings over the last two seasons.
He's only had seasons of 200+ innings 3 times in his 9 year MLB career.
That's almost 200. Attendance matters. For that kind of money, he needs to be able to throw at least 160 a year. I don't think we will see that from him.
For that cash, I'd want a real workhorse. Framber did it this year. LMJ has done it.
It's not my money. I think it is a bad investment for the Rangers with the length of the contract. 2 years for 80 I could see.
Jon Heyman sucks. No Wagner??
Props to RoFlo for being nice and continuing to rep the Astros.
Props to RoFlo for being nice and continuing to rep the Astros.
Good stuff. I think Billy Wagner should have been a hall of famer a while ago.
— Robert Flores (@RoFlo) December 3, 2022
agproducer said:
Jon Heyman sucks. No Wagner??
Props to RoFlo for being nice and continuing to rep the Astros.Good stuff. I think Billy Wagner should have been a hall of famer a while ago.
— Robert Flores (@RoFlo) December 3, 2022
And Lance Berkman should still on the ballot. Its funny how long looking down in Astros players and the team as a whole gas been going on.
Absolutely Berkman should still be on the ballot.
Better numbers than Edgar Martinez with a shorter career. More HRs, more triples, higher OPS, better postseason numbers. And Martinez got in.
https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=martied01&type=b&player_id1=berkmla01&sum=0&request=1
Better numbers than Edgar Martinez with a shorter career. More HRs, more triples, higher OPS, better postseason numbers. And Martinez got in.
https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=martied01&type=b&player_id1=berkmla01&sum=0&request=1
I think DeGrom obviously makes the rangers better if he's healthy. But he's not enough to put them in the playoffs. To me it's comparable to putting JV on the 2014 Astros.
Now if they get another dependable starter… then they might challenge for a WC in 2023 or 2024
Now if they get another dependable starter… then they might challenge for a WC in 2023 or 2024
Completely agree with you.
agproducer said:Harry Dunne said:Robbie Ray led the AL in 2021 with 193 IP.agproducer said:
DeGrom pitched fewer than 160 innings over the last two seasons.
He's only had seasons of 200+ innings 3 times in his 9 year MLB career.
That's almost 200. Attendance matters. For that kind of money, he needs to be able to throw at least 160 a year. I don't think we will see that from him.
For that cash, if want a real workhorse. Framber did it this year. LMJ has done it.
It's not my money. I think it is a bad investment for the Rangers with the length of the contract. 2 years for 80 I could see.
For clarity, he has pitched 156 innings the last 2 seasons combined. It's not realistic to think he even approaches that number this coming season. Should a team be willing to spend that kind of money on what is essentially a 5 inning pitcher? The richest owner in the sport didn't think so.
When you fall to your knees and ask God for help, don’t forget to fall back on your knees and say ‘thank you’ when He answers.- Steve Torrence
Over the past two season, the Rangers have added
— Baseball Quotes (@BaseballQuotes1) December 3, 2022
-Corey Seager
-Marcus Semien
-Jon Gray
-Jake Odorizzi
…and now Jacob deGrom pic.twitter.com/LAyvpc5tDv
Harry Dunne said:The greatest path to decline is cheating your ass off and getting caught.EastCoastAgNc said:Complacency and arrogance are the two quickest paths to decline. A sense of urgency is always needed! No matter the sport or the business!
— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) December 3, 2022
Apparently not
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