I don't necessarily look at what a player has done, I tend to look at what a player can do and has done this season. We've played roughly 40 games and we're starting to get an idea of who is having a good season and whose not. Odor has looked atrocious so far this year, he's gotta be in the bottom 3 statistically for a full time position player up to this point.DallasAg 94 said:I'm not saying it it time to celebrate.Grapesoda2525 said:That's funny, but realistically it's a stretch.DallasAg 94 said:I snuck into your head:Grapesoda2525 said:
Dave Raymond and company are preparing a huge segment tomorrow dedicated to the big stink. They will say that his home run in the 9th inning off a position player is where he officially busted out of his slump and we should ALL expect nothing, but great things out of him the rest of the way.
I snuck into the rangers front office and this is how they evaluate the current group of position players.
odor strikes out = front office ignores it like it didn't happen.
Odor makes contact = it's the equivalent of backup Santana, forsythe, or pence getting a single
Odor gets a single = equal to a Santana, forsythe, or Calhoun extra base hit
Odor gets a double = equal to a Santana, forsythe, or Calhoun home run
Odor gets a triple = we might have the next mike trout on our hands.
Odor gets a home run = slump is over. Previous negative at bats completely forgotten about and forgiven. Leash is extended by another 2 weeks.
Odor gets a hit = Terrible pitcher everyone gets hits off him.
Nobody gets a hit = Odor is terrible.
Odor gets only hit for team = The other players faced a really good pitcher and Odor got luck.
Is odor's performance today really worth celebrating when the team scored over 15 runs? All of the hits In the 9th off a royals position player count on the stat sheet, but they don't mean anything regarding the trajectory of a player.
The pitching they faced today was awful. Most major league teams probably would've put up 10 runs.
As for your second point, we haven't been no hit yet so that's just not true or relevant to the discussion.
I don't recall any games this year where odor got the only hit for us, but I could be wrong there. I know I'm not wrong about us not getting no hit tho.
The point was... when he does well, and the other players do well, you want to point out that he only did well because the pitcher sucked. Fair enough... but Willie faced the same pitchers. Which is why I asked... are we sold on him, or was it just poor KC pitching.
When Odor struggles... some times it is the pitcher and the entire team struggles. You like to call out Odor, but fail to mention the other players struggled as well, because it was a great pitcher.
It is worth nothing Willie is 9 months younger than Odor. Willie has a career 50Gs and a .255 BA and 5 HR, mostly against poor KC pitching, and is most likely a DH. Odor has 703G, .244, 111 HR... and plays a skill position.
I love what Danny Santana is doing. He is 3 year older than Odor and has played 389G with a career .251 BA, 16 HR, 54 SB.
Forsythe (32) is having a great season (.320)... well, for him. A career .250 hitter. 66 HRs. He has 639G (887) at 2B. So, at age 32, 7 years older than Odor, this mostly 2B (72% of G) has fewer games at 2B than Odor.
We can do this all day long...
"Outside the 5 HRs, he only has 13 other hits, 10 BBs, and 1 HBO in 120 PAs, and of the 24 times he's reached base without homering, he's been caught stealing a league-leading 4 times"
Odor hasn't really helped the team in a meaningful way all season. I can tell you that 3 of his 5 home runs came in blow out games which we won by close to 15 runs. We would've been fine if he wasn't in the lineup those days. As you can see above, about 17% of the time he actually gets on base, he does something stupid and offs himself on the bases. As of right now, yeah his defense at second base is really good, but the players we have around him who are mashing the ball and are capable of at least average defense at the position, don't warrant him being up here.
He should go down to Nashville and fix himself.
If you want me to say it, yeah..... Odor is held to a higher standard because of the contract. Fans expect him to be a productive player after the front office showed their faith in him. Odor also has been the most frustrating player in the league to watch over the last 3 seasons. It's feast or famine with the guy, and if you were a betting man putting money on it, he'd usually be in famine mode.
The front office and management make odors situation worse by giving the guy every tool and advantage to succeed while not affording other players the same luxuries or similar treatment. Santana and forsythe have no idea which position they will be playing on a given day and how many days they will play in a week. The big stink is always in the lineup, every single day, no matter what, and he usually strikes out at least once per game.
Forsythe and Santana have versatility. Versatility should be seen as a valuable commodity in today's game. Odor only plays one position. Forsythe can play pretty much every position in the infield. Santana is a switch hitter who has played every position except pitcher / catcher. Santana might actually be our best base runner / fastest guy. Both players don't have a reputation for bone headed plays on offense and defense. You can actually trust that they will play like a normal major league player when you put them in the lineup.