The score disparity in games over the past week and a half has been strange. Win big. Lose big. Only one game in the past 7 decided by less than 5 runs, and I think it was a 4 run game
KT 90 said:
LeClerc and Chavez combine for four scoreless innings in relief. Both looked good today (and also for the past week or so).
PDEMDHC said:KT 90 said:
LeClerc and Chavez combine for four scoreless innings in relief. Both looked good today (and also for the past week or so).
Good to see our closer starting a game for 11 pitches and pitching two scoreless innings in a setup role.
Oh wait I can't wrap my head around that...
Yes... 'cause that's what I did.TXAggie2011 said:
Poking holes in the rest of the roster to fend off Odor criticism is an odd hill to plant your flag upon
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Forsythe and Santana have versatility. Versatility should be seen as a valuable commodity in today's game. Odor only plays one position. Forsythe can play pretty much every position in the infield. Santana is a switch hitter who has played every position except pitcher / catcher.
They're still playing circles around odor tho. Not even close when you look at the stats objectively.DallasAg 94 said:Yes... 'cause that's what I did.TXAggie2011 said:
Poking holes in the rest of the roster to fend off Odor criticism is an odd hill to plant your flag upon
What I didn't do, was poke holes in the "Forsythe and Santana"
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Forsythe and Santana have versatility. Versatility should be seen as a valuable commodity in today's game. Odor only plays one position. Forsythe can play pretty much every position in the infield. Santana is a switch hitter who has played every position except pitcher / catcher.
I've repeatedly said Forsythe and Santana were breat pickups. I commented about Santana from Day1... immediately after he PH his first AB, when they had him on the post-game. I was enamored with his post-game interview.
I've also commented that Forsythe was a "Woody guy," and part of him being on the roster was that Woody liked him. That is good enough for me.
My comments about them are a response to things grape says like, "Forsythe and Santana are better because they don't make bone headed plays like Odor."
So, to dig deeper into them as a comparison is quite reasonable.
You also won't hear me root against either of them. This last inning with Odor, Santana and Calhoun working to tie up the game is actually something I really like. I would LOVE for them to all be successful.
I need to be careful, because if I mention Santana has 4 Es in 121 chance for 23 GP (0.967 FP) and Odor has only 3 E in 133 TC in 30 G (0.977 FP), TXAggie2011 might get upset that I'm poking holes at players.Grapesoda2525 said:
They're still playing circles around odor tho. Not even close when you look at the stats objectively.
We just have to assume that he watches Ranger games through odor colored glasses. He probably thinks odor is the main catalyst for our victory today because he got a single in the 10th inning, then came around to score. The reality is that Odor wouldn't even have come up to bat if it wasn't for Santana's home run in the 8th inning. Odor was 1-4 with a single, Santana was 1-1 with a home run and a walk, forsythe was 1 for 4 with single and a walk. Odor consistently gets outplayed by both of the other 2 when he's out there.Doorbell said:
TXAggie2011 is the only one on this board who notices that you go way out of your way to vouch for a player who - more often than not - is a major liability.
Take all those stats you like to inundate is with and put them into a ratio with the salary of the respective players. I'll take value and clear as day production over piles of meaningless metrics.
What a weird statement about baseball.Doorbell said:
TXAggie2011 isn't the only one on this board who notices that you go way out of your way to vouch for a player who - more often than not - is a major liability.
Take all those stats you like to inundate us with and put them into a ratio with the salary of the respective players. I'll take value and clear-as-day production over piles of meaningless metrics.
Not to get involved in this discussion, but I see what DA did thereDallasAg 94 said:
I get it... just more meaningless facts. But, I'll take more meaningful statistics over the smell test everyday.
The funny thing is you might actually be right about this, but not in the way you'd expect or hope. You know as well as I do that forsythe and Santana might be traded to contenders who would use them as bench pieces. Forsythe is old and it would make sense, but I think Santana should be kept because the rangers would have cheap control over him for a few more years.DallasAg 94 said:Doorbell said:
TXAggie2011 isn't the only one on this board who notices that you go way out of your way to vouch for a player who - more often than not - is a major liability.
Take all those stats you like to inundate us with and put them into a ratio with the salary of the respective players. I'll take value and clear-as-day production over piles of meaningless metrics.
Odor is under-performing. By the end of the season... Odor will have more GPs and produced more Runs, RBIs, and HRs than both Santana and Forsythe.
I get it... just more meaningless facts. But, I'll take more meaningful statistics over the smell test everyday.
Danny Vermin said:
When I watch games, I follow certain players from the field to the dugout and how they interact with teammates. Odor seems to be a very good teammate who has a special bond with each and every one of them. I hope he turns it around as he really seems like a very good guy .
It's hard to compare Nomar with Odor, given that the expectations for those positions aren't going to be the same. Better to compare Nomar vs other RF and Odor vs other 2B around the league. But if we are going to compare them, I think you could make a case for either being the "better" of the two.Doorbell said:
In my opinion, everyone should be treated equally. So, yes, it it appropriate to evaluate Mazara, as well.
That said, while Nomar has struggled so far, his average this year (.243) is pretty much identical to Odor's career average (.244). So, it's not as nearly bad in my opinion.
toucan82 said:
You guys want to talk about Mazara for a bit?