redline248 said:

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You guys don't really believe that story, do you?

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it's the same story that has been posted on TexAgs and other intrawebz forums. Insert name of scape goat athlete, rinse, and repeat

I've never seen the story, but I knew it was fake. Others apparently haven't seen it before, either.

Well the Yankees just completed their internal half of the E trade. They were maxxed on the 40 man, so someone had to go down. They just sent down Clint Frazier. 11 HRs and 34 RBI, .283/.330/.513 in 53 games. That's a big bat going down.

This trade may mess up their clubhouse. Wait until Judge and Stanton come back and 2 more guys go. Some speculation that Brett Gardner may get cut.

No one in the Yankees gives a **** about Clint Frazier unless they were getting custom Nike cleats.

mathguy86 said:

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Well the Yankees just completed their internal half of the E trade. They were maxxed on the 40 man, so someone had to go down. They just sent down Clint Frazier. 11 HRs and 34 RBI, .283/.330/.513 in 53 games. That's a big bat going down.

This trade may mess up their clubhouse. Wait until Judge and Stanton come back and 2 more guys go. Some speculation that Brett Gardner may get cut.

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Chirinos up to 3rd in AL all star voting

the Reds starter tonight is their best:

Luis Castillo...6-1 with 2.20 ERA in 14 starts

Chirinos is going to be victim to being on a team full of all-stars. The only way he gets in, IMO, is in the initial vote and no way he beats out Sanchez there. There's too many roster spots to fill with spares from the Orioles, etc. since every team has to get represented.

His only other chance is someone like Altuve or Springer passing based on injury and they take the extra catcher instead of another position player.

Buck Compton said:

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Chirinos is going to be victim to being on a team full of all-stars. The only way he gets in, IMO, is in the initial vote and no way he beats out Sanchez there. There's too many roster spots to fill with spares from the Orioles, etc. since every team has to get represented.

His only other chance is someone like Altuve or Springer passing based on injury and they take the extra catcher instead of another position player.

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That and catchers have been awesome so far.


He's probably the 3rd most deserving at this point.

Do Garver and Castro even qualify with so few ABs?

bullard21k said:

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Deluxe said:

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cpsencik04 said:

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Personally I think Fisher needs to be trade bait #1 right now. Add in a young Arm, if someone is interested Kemp and throw in White (not because he's worth the plane ticket but just to say you traded him instead of cut him)

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Agreed. I think we need to be looking to move Fisher, Reed, White, Kemp, Deetz and Rodgers at the deadline. They've kinda proven everything they can prove at AAA, but they don't really fit into our long term plan. They're just kinda wasting space on our 40 currently and we've got guys like Whitley, Beer, JBB, Toro, etc who will need protection in the next year or two.

If we can include them in a package for a stud starting pitcher, great. But I think there's other options as well...

-Flip them for younger, higher upside prospects (kinda like we did in trading JD Davis for Luis Santana)
-Package a few of them with Yuli and see if we can get a team to take his $8.4 million off our hands next year
-Grab a vet lefty bullpen option or vet backup catcher

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I think kemp has more viable long term productivity than any of those other guys imo.

I think if he gets 350 ABs and consistent playing time he's a player that would be in the .265 range and put up consistent numbers and a good OBP

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I agree, but those are only good numbers @ 2b, not as a poor defensive corner OF. I think he has trade value for a team that can use him primarily as a 2b and I think he would start there for a lot of teams...but will be stuck behind Altuve and Diaz here.

Harry Dunne said:

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bullard21k said:

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Deluxe said:

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cpsencik04 said:

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Personally I think Fisher needs to be trade bait #1 right now. Add in a young Arm, if someone is interested Kemp and throw in White (not because he's worth the plane ticket but just to say you traded him instead of cut him)

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Agreed. I think we need to be looking to move Fisher, Reed, White, Kemp, Deetz and Rodgers at the deadline. They've kinda proven everything they can prove at AAA, but they don't really fit into our long term plan. They're just kinda wasting space on our 40 currently and we've got guys like Whitley, Beer, JBB, Toro, etc who will need protection in the next year or two.

If we can include them in a package for a stud starting pitcher, great. But I think there's other options as well...

-Flip them for younger, higher upside prospects (kinda like we did in trading JD Davis for Luis Santana)
-Package a few of them with Yuli and see if we can get a team to take his $8.4 million off our hands next year
-Grab a vet lefty bullpen option or vet backup.catcher

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I think kemp has more viable long term productivity than any of those other guys imo.

I think if he gets 350 ABs and consistent playing time he's a player that would be in the .265 range and put up consistent numbers and a good OBP

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I agree, but those are only good numbers @ 2b, not as a poor defensive corner OF. I think he has trade value for a team that can use him primarily as a 2b and I think he would start there for a lot of teams...but will be stuck behind Altuve and Diaz here.

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Agreed but I'm simply indicating I think of all those players Kemp is most big league capable guy. And his versatility makes him the best bench option as well bc he can both infield and OF (although weak arm but decent range ). I think he's our best bench player of that group and is a left handed stick.

Well this would suck. Was hoping Houston would be able to land him.

bearkatag15 said:

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Well this would suck. Was hoping Houston would be able to land him.

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He's fine, but I don't think he'd be anything special. Would probably cost too much.

Eh...I just don't like rentals.

Give me someone like Cole and JV who we'd get a couple more years out of.

AND just reminder to everyone tonight's start is 6:10 CST

Agree I want someone with at least 2 more years. Max Scherzer fits that, but I'd prefer a lefty that could be our number 4 starter and move to the pen for the playoffs.

Agnzona said:

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Agree I want someone with at least 2 more years. Max Scherzer first that, but I'd prefer a lefty that could be our number 4 starter and move to the pen for the playoffs.

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Who's our #3?

Right now, it has to be Miley, no?

redline248 said:

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Right now, it has to be Miley, no?

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Yes, but do we feel good about him being the #3 in the postseason. I would love to add another high end arm.

Farmer1906 said:

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redline248 said:

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Right now, it has to be Miley, no?

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Yes, but do we feel good about him being the #3 in the postseason. I would love to add another high end arm.

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I suppose one might compare that against the #3s we had the last 2 years. How would you compare Miley to McCullers?

edit: This is just me running with a topic and not advocating for or against making a move for another pitcher. I'd be happy to add a high quality pitcher.

The only reason Miley scares me in the postseason is he just doesn't go deep into games and I can't imagine that's gonna get solved after a full season's worth of pitching.

We need a #3 starter not only for postseason but for the 2nd half to give this BP a rest and let them get healthy/rested for the stretch playoff run. We're putting too many innings on those guys as it is now.

Get a solid, controllable #3 who could slide to #2 next year if Cole walks.

I'm not buying that Schezer is actually available but if he is that's obviously someone who moves to the top of the list.

Definitely don't like Minnesota getting Bumgarner.

Seems like every year our opponents add people like crazy while we take a quieter approach. So far it's generally turned out well for us.

I wouldn't mind seeing us make a play for Matt Boyd. Controllable thru 2022. Seems to be coming into his own as a starter.

redline248 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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redline248 said:

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Right now, it has to be Miley, no?

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Yes, but do we feel good about him being the #3 in the postseason. I would love to add another high end arm.

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I suppose one might compare that against the #3s we had the last 2 years. How would you compare Miley to McCullers?

edit: This is just me running with a topic and not advocating for or against making a move for another pitcher. I'd be happy to add a high quality pitcher.

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2018 Dallas
3.74 ERA
3.69 FIP
3.84 xFIP

2017 Peacock/Morton/McCullers (each started a game 3)
3.00
3.07
3.73
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3.62
3.46
3.58
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4.25
3.10
3.17

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2019 Miley
3.14
4.33
4.19

Its not all that different from our previous #3 types. I'm not sure Miley is going to continue to do what he's doing with his xFIP looking a little high. However, Wade did have one hell of a postseason last year. To me, its probably one of the most reasonable spots to try and improve come the playoffs.

Frok said:

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Definitely don't like Minnesota getting Bumgarner.

Seems like every year our opponents add people like crazy while we take a quieter approach. So far it's generally turned out well for us.

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How does one get Justin Verlander quietly?

We made some pretty big moves in 15 and 17. We tried to get Harper last year and were damn close. We've also been down to the wire for Britton and made a big effort for Hamels & Lucroy.

While we are throwing out names, how about Stroman. Young, good, controllable and should be available.

Great data. Oriole rockstar

I see this name "Tommy La Stella"...look up his career numbers...

and wow, something magical happened on the flight from Chicago to Los Angeles

a good series to keep an eye on this week:

Red Sox at Twins

3 games starting tonight