I gave up last night in the 6th when Guduan came in. I wake up to see he gave up the 3 run triple, officially is credited with 7 pitches, 1 hit, no runs, one out and a win. That's freaking hilarious.

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I gave up last night in the 6th when Guduan came in. I wake up to see he gave up the 3 run triple, officially is credited with 7 pitches, 1 hit, no runs, one out and a win. That's freaking hilarious.

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That's why I love the win stat so much. It didn't seem like Guduan pitched good last night, but the win stat doesn't lie.

I'm afraid to say this because I don't want ti to sound like I'm bashing on Luhnow, but this is what happens when you draft well then horde prospects and don't move minor league guys. I'm also not saying he should just be giving guys away but you just can't keep everyone.

Now we've got 4 guys with no options you can't do anything with and a group of young guys who are outperforming 2 of them on the big league club and oh yeah...2 studs absolutely raking in AAA.

Good problem to have but it is a problem and the only solution is trading a few nice pieces for a legit contributor (hopefully in the form of a #3 starter).

The real winners in all this: the good citizens of Round Rock. Imagine the giant leap in quality baseball they are now privileged to witness this year as opposed to the garbage that was inflicted upon them by their previous parent club from South Oklahoma.

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I'm afraid to say this because I don't want ti to sound like I'm bashing on Luhnow, but this is what happens when you draft well then horde prospects and don't move minor league guys. I'm also not saying he should just be giving guys away but you just can't keep everyone.

Now we've got 4 guys with no options you can't do anything with and a group of young guys who are outperforming 2 of them on the big league club and oh yeah...2 studs absolutely raking in AAA.

Good problem to have but it is a problem and the only solution is trading a few nice pieces for a legit contributor (hopefully in the form of a #3 starter).

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I disagree with most of this.

First of all, he has traded a bunch of prospects and guys early in their career with a bunch of potential. Teoscar Hernandez, Domingo Santana, Josh Hader, Brett Phillips who hasn't quite panned out but was highly regarded, Ramon Laureano, all the guys in the Cole trade (Feliz, Musgrove, Moran, Martin) and JD Davis. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

Secondly, Luhnow has made some great trades but he's stronger at building from within. It makes sense that he'd value his pieces over someone else's. You can't second guess the Fiers or Liriano trades because they helped us win a WS...but you've got to feel like we would have won one anyway. Fiers held it down when others were injured, but those guys didn't do much in the postseason. In 2019 it would be nice to have the guys we traded for them. That's got to give Luhnow some pause.

Lastly Fisher was untouchable, then he was slow to get going, last week everyone was saying he sucks and calling him up is a sure sign we are valuing money and cheap contracts over winning. Now he has "earned his spot" after a few good ABs. Everyone said JD Davis sucked. Now he's pretty solid for the Mets. We'd be playing him every day if we had him. Everyone says Tyler White sucks...and we do need to trade him because he's the odd man out, but he will also be productive for someone and we may even regret it.

Trust in Luhnow.

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I do. You'd be crazy not to. He's proven himself over and over again.

Just an observation that holding on to guys especially to the point where they have no options has it's complications. Like we're seeing now it kinda handcuff you to the point where you don't have room for guys like Fisher and Straw (and to an extent Tucker and Alvarez) who may be outperforming the guys with no options (Kemp and White).

Someone is gonna have to go one way of the other either via a DFA or a trade.

Derek Fisher is trade bait IMO. He could help land another SP.

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Trust in Luhnow.

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I do. You'd be crazy not to. He's proven himself over and over again.

Just an observation that holding on to guys especially to the point where they have no options has it's complications. Like we're seeing now it kinda handcuff you to the point where you don't have room for guys like Fisher and Straw (and to an extent Tucker and Alvarez) who may be outperforming the guys with no options (Kemp and White).

Someone is gonna have to go one way of the other either via a DFA or a trade.

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No, not really. The only complication I see is a 10-game lead and a bunch of trash teams chasing us. No need to make hard decisions today.

I'm excited about Fisher and Straw too, but Fisher only has 32 ABs this season and just got his career average over the Mendoza line. Straw is a weapon, but he has a grand total of 22 career ABs. For sure let's keep running them out there while we can and see what we've got, but let's not get the anointing oil out just yet.

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The trade I wouldn't mind seeing is being able to flip any combo of White, Kemp, Fisher, and Straw for Madison Bumgarner. Giants might require one higher ranked prospect in that deal. But could you imagine Bumgarner being your number 3 in the playoffs? I know he hasn't been lights out this year, but the dude is the best postseason pitcher of all-time.

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Actually depending on who had home field advantage in the World Series, he would be either your #2 or #3 starter so he can hit.

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In the spirit of calling Kyle Tucker "Ted", should we come up with premature super star nicknames for all our prospects?

Alvarez - Papi
Whitley - Rocket
Straw - Rickie (Rickie Henderson)
Mayfield - The Captain

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TexAgs gonna TexAgs. This never ceases to amaze me.

Luhnow on 790 just a little while ago:

- Straw is exciting! Showing fans why we were so happy about having him up. Teams have called about his availability in trade talks but we have kept him out for now. Think teams believe we don't value him as much as we do.
- What makes guys untouchable? Nobody is. But obviously the high profile guys will require an extraordinary return. Mentioned some recent examples like Kyle Tucker rumors.
- Straw was in AA 2 years ago and we talked about calling him up for his speed in the playoffs for the ALCS and WS. Mentioned Fisher filling that role instead, scoring on Bregmans hit FTW.
- Very happy with how the draft played out, mentioned a few players and their tools
- Asked about disappointment with Correa situation: Reality is that players are always trying to be their best, even when it comes to getting treatment off the field. It is unfortunate, but nice to have a 10 game lead so you dont have to rush guys back. More important to have everyone healthy for stretch run.
- Really appreciating that Derek Fisher is getting an opportunity. Something different this time around. He feels like he belongs in the majors, which is why we see him playing so well. When Springer and the rest come back we are going to have to push some guys down, but later in the year with expanded rosters it will be great that these guys are getting big league exerience.
- On Corbin Martin: he will be back. The stuff is elite. How to sequence pitches and not fall behind is something to learn in AAA. Has all the weapons. Just focus on getting ahead instead of trying to nibble. Learning curve. Next time he comes up he will be even better. Mentioned DK's path in relation to Corbin, going through ebbs and flows.
- Every night he gets a notification about Alavarez mashing, but people need to realize even Tucker is playing well down there. Want to bring Alvarez up but have him STAY up, and not flip back and forth.
- Gonna continue to evaluate what we have in trades/acquisitions but will likely be active in the market as the season goes on. Mentions potential to obviously add rotation piece.