Our bullpen may need counseling

I don't understand pulling Miley...just let him get to 100 pitches then pull him

Game was over in the first inning, no need to waste bullpen arms.

Miley has to be livid at his performance lately...he had a great season up until his last start...not good going into free agency

The only good thing about going to tonight's game was getting tickets without paying the ridiculous online fees for what should be Verlander's 3rd start from now (Sept 22) where there's a good chance he'll reach 3,000 strike outs. Plus potentially having a ticket stub for that game too!

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AggiEE said:

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I don't understand pulling Miley...just let him get to 100 pitches then pull him

Game was over in the first inning, no need to waste bullpen arms.

Miley has to be livid at his performance lately...he had a great season up until his last start...not good going into free agency

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Umm... we literally had the same scenario his last start and we won

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Well clearly that strat didn't work this time..

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AggiEE said:

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willjohnathan said:

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AggiEE said:

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I don't understand pulling Miley...just let him get to 100 pitches then pull him

Game was over in the first inning, no need to waste bullpen arms.

Miley has to be livid at his performance lately...he had a great season up until his last start...not good going into free agency

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Umm... we literally had the same scenario his last start and we won

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Well clearly that strat didn't work this time..

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Do you make all decisions knowing the outcome after the fact?

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No, but in both situations Miley could settle down and spare the bullpen.

Just saw that urquidy is is pitching tonight. Oh boy....

Man, Biagini really really stinks.

Can't be worse than Miley??

Who do you feel better about right now? Urkeeding or MIley?

I have to say Urkeeding.

When they're hitting against the shift, stop shifting.

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No, but in both situations Miley could settle down and spare the bullpen.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if a pitcher gives up 5 runs recording 0 outs and 7 runs with only recording 1 out in either situation he ain't settling down.

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Maybe not, main point isn't to prevent runs at that point but get some outs.

A lot of those singles were bad luck and could have been outs.

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Ag_07 said:

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No, but in both situations Miley could settle down and spare the bullpen.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if a pitcher gives up 5 runs recording 0 outs and 7 runs with only recording 1 out in either situation he ain't settling down.

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Maybe not, main point isn't to prevent runs at that point but get some outs.

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Exactly. So how is leaving a guy in there who can't get outs and giving up runs a good idea? He wasn't doing wither of those things.

The right move was to yank Miley and throw your spares which is what Hinch did.

Honestly losing by 1 run after pitching Harris, Rondon, and Osuna for full workloads would have been worse.

Anybody else find it odd that Mengden picked up a save for last night's blowout?

Miley's ERA jumped from 3.06 to 3.74. He's throwna grand total of 59 pitches in his last 2 starts.

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Anybody else find it odd that Mengden picked up a save for last night's blowout?

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He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;

He is not the winning pitcher;

He is credited with at least of an inning pitched; and

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He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning

He enters the game with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck

He pitches for at least three innings.

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Just another reason why it is a pointless stat.

The 3-inning save rule in effect.

The biggest blowout in MLB modern history (Rangers over Orioles 30-3 in 2007) features a save.

Yeah, that does seem kind of silly. To get a save, you would think the game would at least have to be within 5 runs. Hell, Tyler White could have "saved" that game.

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Miley's ERA jumped from 3.06 to 3.74. He's throwna grand total of 59 pitches in his last 2 starts.

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If we need anyone to eat innings in another blowout loss he should be available and called on.

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Miley's ERA jumped from 3.06 to 3.74. He's throwna grand total of 59 pitches in his last 2 starts.

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Does Justice read this thread?

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"All these games matter to all these guys," Hinch said. "It's not an exhibition game. I have great respect for the guys who are doing it on teams not in contention. You shouldn't punish Mike Trout. At the same time, I think it's a notch in the favor of guys that are doing it with playoff pressure or playoff-chase pressure."

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Well its better than in in the 240''s over his last two

Morning radio pointed out Miley has a career history of noodle arm late in the season past a certain amount of innings. This is par for the course

It's likely he can't be relied upon moving forward unless they shut him down till playoffs and roll the dice which is doubtful.

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Morning radio pointed out Miley has a career history of noodle arm late in the season past a certain amount of innings. This is par for the course

It's likely he can't be relied upon moving forward unless they shut him down till playoffs and roll the dice which is doubtful.

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Not sure how we do that when we already have one TBD in our rotation; although it is almost a given that TBD will pitch better than Miley at this point. Hopefully he is just tipping his pitches and it is something that can be corrected. Really need someone to step up, Peacock maybe (once he returns)???

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I'm making fun of myself as much as anyone when I write this, but one of the most entertaining elements of this thread is watching people double down on awful takes because they are too stubborn to see they are wrong and too proud to just let it go.

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To be fair, we could have really used him last night... out of the pen.

Miley didn't think he was tipping pitches after looking at the video from last night based on the A's hitter's swings. He also thinks he was throwing the cutter well, they just came in with a game plan to stay inside his cutter and hitting it the other way.

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"I think the other team has a really good approach against me right now and I'm not making the adjustment," Miley said. "Again I felt like, it's crazy, I located pitches pretty well for the nine batters I was in there. I got singled to death tonight. But at the same time, I've got to make better pitches."

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As for Peacock, he won't be coming back in a starter role. If he returns before the end of the regular season, it will be with only days to spare. He's too important for the playoffs against righties.

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2. Yordan Alvarez - 179
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He's too important for the playoffs against righties.

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He is?

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Miley didn't think he was tipping pitches after looking at the video from last night based on the A's hitter's swings. He also thinks he was throwing the cutter well, they just came in with a game plan to stay inside his cutter and hitting it the other way.

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I thought his cutter looked pretty good as well, at least early on. I think he got a little dejected by the time he got to the last few hitters and started flattening out. It deffinietly looked like they were just sitting on the cutter though and had a good approach to it.

I hope Miley turns it around, but if not then who do we have. I know Peacock is pretty much relegated to the pen now, but that was before Miley's implosion. We have about four other unknowns (well we kind of know, but we are rejecting that for now): Urquidy, Valdez, Perez, Sneed. If Miley doesn't turn it around, I really don't see any of those guys stepping with less than three weeks left, then I could see Peacock get a short leash start for a game 4, Maybe also just turn it back over to JV on short rest as well.

Edit: Just looked up Peacocks progress, and yeah no way he gets back in time to get a playoff start.