txjortsagent said:

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Hearing we put a 25 year old flamethrower who is 19 for 19 in saves and controllable through 2021 on the market makes me physically ill

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Why? Maybe if the Rangers were just a few pieces away from contending, but they're not, it's rebuild mode and holding on to a bullpen piece isn't going to help them be a contender by 2020.

DallasAg 94 said:

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txjortsagent said:

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Hearing we put a 25 year old flamethrower who is 19 for 19 in saves and controllable through 2021 on the market makes me physically ill

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Yeah... but he has several negatives.

First, he has 3.34 ERA. Event at 19-for-19... that's pretty lofty. I know he is only 25, but still concerning.

Second... he has had a few clubhouse issues. His name has been tossed out frequently when it comes to trading, which gives me an indication things might go south quickly with him.

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He's also been a little injury prone in previous seasons. We'd be selling high, but I have no qualms keeping him. He's young and we need to keep some young arms. Diekman is a free agent to be, I'd rather sell him off. He's been pretty effective lately as well.

But he is 19 for 19. Plus he seems to have his issues under control

_lefraud_ said:

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txjortsagent said:

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Hearing we put a 25 year old flamethrower who is 19 for 19 in saves and controllable through 2021 on the market makes me physically ill

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Why? Maybe if the Rangers were just a few pieces away from contending, but they're not, it's rebuild mode and holding on to a bullpen piece isn't going to help them be a contender by 2020.

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So trade a 25 year old arm we already developed who is under control until 2021 at a low salary for a 22 year old undeveloped arm?

Too young and too good to trade. Costs nothing.

I don't think anyone is off limits except Mazara and Elvis at this point.

As already stated, he's had major issues, and also the injuries. Do the Rangers project him to be a SP? If so, then yea, hold on to him. But if he's just a career BP guy, and the Rangers get a really good offer for him, they absolutely have to sell high.

It's similar to my thoughts on Mazara, the guy is a career DH, so he'd better be Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz, or the franchise could become handicapped when it's time to pay him...

etxag18 said:

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But he is 19 for 19. Plus he seems to have his issues under control

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Oh... I didn't realize that.

Sure... seems like his maturity has improved.

I would think the Rangers have a number of guys they could roll out there.

Leclerc, for instance.

Other news.

YoMen pitched for DEWDs tonight: 6.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 9 SO. Message sent?

Martin Perez went tonight for Hickory: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 SO.

It was later disclosed that both Martin Perez and Tocci were out with Odor and YoMen. They were both fined an undlsclosed amount.

Perez was apparently sent all the way down to A ball, because it had been so long since he had pitched, they wanted him to get about 3.0 IP, but pitched well enough to go 59 PC in 5.0 IP.

Long way to go...

Regarding Mazara, Pudge indicated he thought Mazara might have just gotten dehydrated.

One thing that is wonderful about a W... is that Astros fans like grapesoda, disappear. Astros lost, so double bonus!

We're still 13.5 GB Seattle since we both won, but we'll soon pass Detroit, et al AL teams. Gotta jump them all.

One last post, before bed time...

Dease (19-RHP, 6'3", 175) pitched tonight for Spokane.

7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 SO.

In his 3 GS: 17.0 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 11 SO, 1.06 ERA. One of those was with A-Hickory.

He was 4th Rounder in 2017.

It looks like odor is improving, I still like Profar a lot better tho.

Early word today is Mazara being taken out was precautionary. However, Guzman is in concussion protocol.

DallasAg 94 said:

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One last post, before bed time...

Dease (19-RHP, 6'3", 175) pitched tonight for Spokane.

7.0 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 SO.

In his 3 GS: 17.0 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 11 SO, 1.06 ERA. One of those was with A-Hickory.

He was 4th Rounder in 2017.

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Dease is kinda getting me excited.

Like a good Astros fan, you show up to protect your virtue.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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It looks like odor is improving, I still like Profar a lot better tho.

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Genuinely curious as to what you base this opinion on? Odor has a much higher ceiling and has better career numbers all the way around. Not to mention Odor's defense has improved while profar's has regressed.

wbt5845 said:

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Dease is kinda getting me excited.

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I love following the Rangers minor league SPs.

I read a clip that the Rangers have made some changes on young pitchers.

They sent their HS pitchers from the 2018 draft to Arizona, but none of them will pitch in a game, until they've evaluated their strength and conditioning. They won't like pitching in a game for the Az Rookie league and will wait until the Instructional league in the Fall.

Some guys to mention:
Arizona Rk: Yerry Rodriguez (20, 2016 DR Intl ) - 2 G, 11.1 IP, 15 SO, 1 ER

Spokane has a few others to watch. Latz... obviously Crouse, but if his cut had him miss a GS, I don't know that I'd look for them to rush him.

I think in 2-3 years, we'll have a swell of ptichers to get excited about like when we had a ton of SPs back in 2012... 2013.

gigem1223 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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It looks like odor is improving, I still like Profar a lot better tho.

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Genuinely curious as to what you base this opinion on? Odor has a much higher ceiling and has better career numbers all the way around. Not to mention Odor's defense has improved while profar's has regressed.

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Profar has a better approach at the plate, Better batting average, draws more walks, works the count better, if he played one position everyday his defense would be good. His baseball IQ is much higher.

The only advantage I give Odor is power ( historically......not this year)

Grapesoda2525 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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It looks like odor is improving, I still like Profar a lot better tho.

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Genuinely curious as to what you base this opinion on? Odor has a much higher ceiling and has better career numbers all the way around. Not to mention Odor's defense has improved while profar's has regressed.

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Profar has a better approach at the plate, Better batting average, draws more walks, works the count better, if he played one position everyday his defense would be good. His baseball IQ is much higher.

The only advantage I give Odor is power ( historically......not this year)

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That is just more schtick.

Career Minor Leagues:
Odor: .284 BA, .342 OBP, 34 HRs in 364 GP
Profar: .279 BA, .367 OBP, 47 HRs in 482 GP


Odor played:
A Short at 17 (58 GP): .262, 2 HR
A at 18 (109 GP): .259, 10 HR
A+ at 19 (100 GP): .305, 5 HR
AA at 19 (30 GP): .306, 6 HR
MLB at 20 (114 GP): .259, 9 HR

Profar played:
A Short at 17 (63 GP): .250, 4 HR
A at 18 (115 GP): .286, 12 HR
AA at 19 (30 GP): .281, 14 HR
MLB at 20 (85 GP): .234, 6 HR

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

They are about 3 weeks away from being exactly 1 year difference in age (Profar is older).

They played at about the same number of games at the same level at the same ages.

What you find is...

Odor actually has a better average almost every year and for their minor-league career.
Profar actually has more power at almost every stop.

And yet... YOU want us to believe that Profar hits better for average while Odor has more power.

Up until 2018, there was almost no Rangers fan on this forum who would have taken Profar over Odor. In fact, the general mindset was to get whatever we could out of Profar even if we dumped him pennies-on-the-dollar.

The general scouting reports between Odor and Profar was that they were very much the same player, except Profar had more flare and brought more flash, while Odor seemed more hard-nose/gritty type approach.

I wish you'd go back to your Astros thread and leave us alone.

Now that we've established similar GP at similar levels at similar ages...

Let's look at Defense, based on Baseball-Reference.

Odor has 54 Errs in 287 GS minor league games (at 2B). 5.3 GS/E........ RF/9 4.94, RF/G 4.69
Profar has 82 Errs in 409 GS minor league games (at SS). 5.00 GS/E RF/9 4.60 RF/G 4.45

I've used Profar as SS only in minors, because that was the position he came up playing. He has 39 GS at 2B, 9 of which occurred after his MLB debut.

If Odor has a terrible Baseball IQ and worse than Profar's, there must be something amazingly impressive about Odor that he can overcome such a deficit, in order to have better Defense, as well.

Must be a special player.

I'm not arguing that Odor is a BETTER player than Profar. I believe they are very similar and would support either one to be long-term starters... or trade bait.

What I like better about Odor, is the success he has had at an early age.

So taking my youngest kid to the Ranger game Wednesday night. He wants to get there early to hopefully get a batting practice home run ball or an autograph or two.

We actually grabbed some nice tickets up close (row 1, third base side) from stubhub, which are surely somebodies season tickets that they sold on stubhub. Anybody know the process for allowing season ticket holders in 2.5 early? Just show them the ticket, or do season ticket holders have an id card of some sort that we would have to provide?

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From the Rangers website:

Gates Open

All gates will open two hours prior to game time for night games and one and a half hours prior to game time for afternoon games. The season ticket holder entrance at Home Plate Gate will open two and a half hours prior to game time for night games. All gates will open three hours prior to first pitch on Opening Night. Guests are encouraged to arrive early to watch batting practice, infield workouts, and pre-game ceremonies. Gate openings are subject to change.

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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It looks like odor is improving, I still like Profar a lot better tho.

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Genuinely curious as to what you base this opinion on? Odor has a much higher ceiling and has better career numbers all the way around. Not to mention Odor's defense has improved while profar's has regressed.

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Profar has a better approach at the plate, Better batting average, draws more walks, works the count better, if he played one position everyday his defense would be good. His baseball IQ is much higher.

The only advantage I give Odor is power ( historically......not this year)

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Yea you're wrong on just about every level here. The stats prove it. Profar's average may be better this season but Rougie is quickly catching him. I'd bet Rougie finishes with a higher BA by the end of the season.

WAR
Odor - 3.9
Profar - 1.0

wRC+
Odor - 88
Profar - 81

KT 90 said:

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So taking my youngest kid to the Ranger game Wednesday night. He wants to get there early to hopefully get a batting practice home run ball or an autograph or two.

We actually grabbed some nice tickets up close (row 1, third base side) from stubhub, which are surely somebodies season tickets that they sold on stubhub. Anybody know the process for allowing season ticket holders in 2.5 early? Just show them the ticket, or do season ticket holders have an id card of some sort that we would have to provide?

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From the Rangers website:

Gates Open

All gates will open two hours prior to game time for night games and one and a half hours prior to game time for afternoon games. The season ticket holder entrance at Home Plate Gate will open two and a half hours prior to game time for night games. All gates will open three hours prior to first pitch on Opening Night. Guests are encouraged to arrive early to watch batting practice, infield workouts, and pre-game ceremonies. Gate openings are subject to change.

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I have season tickets and have never been asked for my season ticket card for early entry. But then again, my tickets are on the card stock, and my app clearly say, I'm a season ticket holder.

If you bought your tickets on StubHub, they probably look like any old generic tickets. I know my Season Ticket privileges are generally NOT transferable, so not sure if you'll get in early.

So what I'm hearing you say is... KT 90 buys you a couple drinks after y'all walk in together.

KT 90 said:

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So taking my youngest kid to the Ranger game Wednesday night. He wants to get there early to hopefully get a batting practice home run ball or an autograph or two.

We actually grabbed some nice tickets up close (row 1, third base side) from stubhub, which are surely somebodies season tickets that they sold on stubhub. Anybody know the process for allowing season ticket holders in 2.5 early? Just show them the ticket, or do season ticket holders have an id card of some sort that we would have to provide?

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From the Rangers website:

Gates Open

All gates will open two hours prior to game time for night games and one and a half hours prior to game time for afternoon games. The season ticket holder entrance at Home Plate Gate will open two and a half hours prior to game time for night games. All gates will open three hours prior to first pitch on Opening Night. Guests are encouraged to arrive early to watch batting practice, infield workouts, and pre-game ceremonies. Gate openings are subject to change.

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Just go early and go through the season ticket holder entrance. They don't care.

wbt5845 said:

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KT 90 said:

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So taking my youngest kid to the Ranger game Wednesday night. He wants to get there early to hopefully get a batting practice home run ball or an autograph or two.

We actually grabbed some nice tickets up close (row 1, third base side) from stubhub, which are surely somebodies season tickets that they sold on stubhub. Anybody know the process for allowing season ticket holders in 2.5 early? Just show them the ticket, or do season ticket holders have an id card of some sort that we would have to provide?

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From the Rangers website:

Gates Open

All gates will open two hours prior to game time for night games and one and a half hours prior to game time for afternoon games. The season ticket holder entrance at Home Plate Gate will open two and a half hours prior to game time for night games. All gates will open three hours prior to first pitch on Opening Night. Guests are encouraged to arrive early to watch batting practice, infield workouts, and pre-game ceremonies. Gate openings are subject to change.

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I have season tickets and have never been asked for my season ticket card for early entry. But then again, my tickets are on the card stock, and my app clearly say, I'm a season ticket holder.

If you bought your tickets on StubHub, they probably look like any old generic tickets. I know my Season Ticket privileges are generally NOT transferable, so not sure if you'll get in early.

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Thanks. They definitely are not on card stock. I can either print the pdf version or show them to the attendant through the stubhub app. We'll probably get there around 2.5 hours early and worse case they make us stand there for 30 minutes until the 2 hour pregame mark.

Heading in from out of town with the kid, he wants to get there early, so we will figure it out.

DallasAg 94 said:

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So what I'm hearing you say is... KT 90 buys you a couple drinks after y'all walk in together.

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That might could be arranged, but doubt there are many takers for getting there early for a hot game against the Padres. We'll figure it out, even if we don't get in until the 2 hour mark.

free_mhayden said:

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KT 90 said:

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So taking my youngest kid to the Ranger game Wednesday night. He wants to get there early to hopefully get a batting practice home run ball or an autograph or two.

We actually grabbed some nice tickets up close (row 1, third base side) from stubhub, which are surely somebodies season tickets that they sold on stubhub. Anybody know the process for allowing season ticket holders in 2.5 early? Just show them the ticket, or do season ticket holders have an id card of some sort that we would have to provide?

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From the Rangers website:

Gates Open

All gates will open two hours prior to game time for night games and one and a half hours prior to game time for afternoon games. The season ticket holder entrance at Home Plate Gate will open two and a half hours prior to game time for night games. All gates will open three hours prior to first pitch on Opening Night. Guests are encouraged to arrive early to watch batting practice, infield workouts, and pre-game ceremonies. Gate openings are subject to change.

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Just go early and go through the season ticket holder entrance. They don't care.

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Good to know! that is what we are going to try. Thanks for the info.

If you go back and read the scouting blurbs on Profar and Odor, Profar was the higher rated prospect with a higher ceiling.

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If you go back and read the scouting blurbs on Profar and Odor, Profar was the higher rated prospect with a higher ceiling.

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Profar has yet to even come close to living up to the hype he garnered several years ago. Odor has at least proven he has a much higher ceiling in the big league.

I've always seen Profar ranked higher than Odor, but I don't recall seeing anything that compares their ceilings.

Without Profar getting injured, it is hard to see Odor supplanting him.

This was a pretty good projection:

Plays right into grapes' vision.

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With "elite baseball instincts" Odor projects to be at least above average with the stick, with a chance for plus-plus potential. At a listed 5-foot-11 and 170 lbs., Odor has some surprising pop in his stick and can drive the ball into the gaps with ease. The over-the-fence power isn't quite there yet, but at physical maturity it could play to league average.

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Includes his low baseball IQ, his lack of batting average and the great power he had shown.

What does "elite baseball instincts" mean?

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At times, the game can slip away from him and he can be a little careless. His speed is only about league average (which is fast) but that speed plays up due to his sheer desire to succeed. Even in spring training games, the desire was palpable.

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Careless? Ok... let's call it "careless."

TXAggie2011 said:

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PatAg said:

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If you go back and read the scouting blurbs on Profar and Odor, Profar was the higher rated prospect with a higher ceiling.

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Profar was the widely agreed #1 prospect in baseball for a bit.

And if it wasn't a certain poster who made that comment, or it didn't implicate Odor somehow, then another certain poster would be vigoursly defending Profar as young, dealing with injury, and having high HBP totals.

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One certain poster has already defended Profar as being shuffled around, for his poor defense.

IHIOGA... one certain poster really like Profar as much as Odor and believes if Profar had not been injured, would have never given up the position, assuming the Rangers still signed Andrus.