*****Official Texas Rangers Offseason Thread*****

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I'm not one to defend Tom Hicks but I don't understand how he is responsible for the relationship you had with your nearby beer stand.

And I don't see how his "development" at the ballpark alienated the existing fan base in favor of a new one. Whatever the "old fanbase" was...it was never coming to the old Turnpike Stadium or the Ballpark because either one was directly surrounded by a bunch of bars and restaurants.

They were always surrounded by a bunch of parking lots.


Tom Hicks alienated people by poorly managing his money, which negatively impacted the performance of both the Dallas Stars and Texas Rangers.
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Hicks alienated his base Rangers fans, in an attempt to attract NYYankee/Boston Red Sock/ChicagoCubs/Dallas Stars/NHL type fans and destroyed the atmosphere of games, by allowing Jim Lites to turn it into a hockey atmosphere. Hicks jacked up the premium seats transitioning the demographics of loyal STH from baseball fans to corporate sponsors, whom he was intent on gouging and exploiting. That changed the fan development is attracting from loyal fans with a routine... to people who drop in for games. You want loyal fans who immerse themselves in game... or do you want business meetings where sales people invite customers to formal expensive dinners and then drop into the game, where the game is more of a distraction to what is going on.
See... once upon a time, the Rangers had baseball loyalist fans.

When Hicks appointed Jim Lites, Lites tried to recreate a hockey environment. Music was blarring. It was changed from a traditional baseball sound... to grinding hockey blaring music. No longer could you have conversations, because the music was too loud and too often.

Premium Seats, between 1st and 3rd on the lower level... went from like $24/seat (about $2000 per) to like $60/seat ($5000 per). This infuriated many long-time STHs who refused to renew. Corporations were courted and they picked up the tickets. Good for Hicks... he got more revenue, however, many of those seats go unused when the team doesn't perform. I had the privilege of using a Corporate Suite 17 times in 2005, because the Corporation couldn't find anyone to use it for customers. The company soon didn't renew, because it was no longer seen as a customer event. Hicks felt he no longer needed to invest in the team on the field, payroll decreased and Hicks complained.

Regarding attendance... just a look back on history...

Arlington Stadium
1992: 27,139 Avg, 2.20M (2.27M AL Avg)
1993: 27,711 Avg, 2.50M (2.38M AL Avg)
RBiA
1994: 43,916 Avg, 2.50M (1.73M AL Avg)
1995: 27,582 Avg, 1.99M (1.81M AL Avg)
1996: 35,448 Avg, 2.89M (2.12M AL Avg)
... Enter Jim Lites Era (2001-2005) ...
2001: 34,952 Avg, 2.83M (2.35M AL Avg)
2002: 29,043 Avg, 2.35M (2.21M AL Avg)
2003: 25,856 Avg, 2.10M (2.19M AL Avg)
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2008: 24,320 Avg, 1.95M (2.46M AL Avg)
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2017: 30,960 Avg, 2.51M (2.29M AL Avg)

15 years after of attendance and your net increase is 3,500 Avg with the population growth of DFW... is terrible.

Jim Lites took attendance down below the levels even at Old Arlington Stadium.

Regarding the parking lots... you missed the point again. SURPRISE. Taking possession of land around where they were building the new stadium, was supposed to be part of the overall economic development, where you were supposed to have what is being proposed for this new stadium. The Dev never happened and it remained parking lots, just like Arlington stadium. The question is... why will it be different for the Cowboys... or the new Ballpark? Consider parking for 2.5M guests. Pretend an average of 3 people per car, that 833K cars per game. X$20 per car= $16M. Hicks put the parking lots into a separate Corporation to hide the revenue, in order to pretend the team couldn't spend money. When the team was sold into bankruptcy, it was recognized what he had done.
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Worth viewing...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/196689/revenue-of-the-texas-rangers-since-2006/
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... Enter Jim Lites Era (2001-2005) ...
2001: 34,952 Avg, 2.83M (2.35M AL Avg)
2002: 29,043 Avg, 2.35M (2.21M AL Avg)
2003: 25,856 Avg, 2.10M (2.19M AL Avg)
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2008: 24,320 Avg, 1.95M (2.46M AL Avg)
Fill in the gap and attendance is 2.5 million (2004), 2.5 million (2005), 2.4 million (2006), and 2.35 million (2007).

What happened was 2008 was the Rangers' 4th straight losing season and 8th in 9 seasons.

I believe Jim Lites was with the Rangers from 1999 to 2002, but either way, he wouldn't be responsible for whatever about the ballpark music changed and caused an attendance to drop 400,000 between 2007 and 2008.



You missed my point about parking lots. "Surprise."
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It was designed as cheaply as possible, for the most amount of revenue, without regard for fan experience.
The idea that the $420 million, in 2001, AAC was in any way designed or built on the cheap is outrageous.
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After Cuban bought the Mavs 3 months after ground broke on AAC, he ended up driving quite a few upgrades to the original plans for it. It wasn't like they scrapped what they were doing and I would not describe it as cheap, but he definitely drove it further than it was originally planned.
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No doubt he drove some upgrades, especially in the technology side, after he bought them.

The idea is that it was a $420 million arena when it opened. Whatever negative fan experience someone had wasn't because he was going into a cheap arena.
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I don't care the cost. I've spent over 200 NHL games in the AAC and it is nothing special. If there is something you find unique or that brings the prominence up... I'm open.

By cheap... it doesn't necessarily mean inexpensive. You spent $60K on a Kia... it is still a cheap Kia. The only thing that makes the AAC not "look" cheap... is the fact Cuban paid to have brick, instead of siding.

Perot owned Mavericks
Perot owns Hillwood Development.
City of Dallas condemns almost all of that land, gifts it to Hillwood to develop new stadium.
City pays for portion of construction. Hillwood gets money from City and adds some level of additional money to reach a reported $420M in cost.

Do you really think Perot ponied up money? I lived through his '90s Mavs, where he had the lowest payroll in the NBA and was the most profitable.

Now look at this:
From Page 12 of this Brookings pdf:

Stadium (NBA Team): Year build; Reported cost for arena/parking/surround - Tax Money provided.
AAA (Heat): 2000; $293M - NA
AAC (Mavs): 2001; $561M - $152M
ATT (San A): 2002; $245M, $169M
CLF (OKC): 2002; $117M - NA
FEF (Memp): 2002; $313M - $296
TC (Hous): 2003; $302M - $304M
TWC (Char): 2005; $321M - $229M
Outlyer, but included:
AmWay (Orlando): 2010; $521M, $342M

Those numbers may be PDV.

From this article, the AAC is the #4th most expensive stadium:

1. MSGarden ($1.1B) - NY Knicks / Rangers
2. Barclay's Center ($1B - 2012) - Brooklyn Nets
3. Amway Center ($480M - 2010) - Orlando Magic
4. AAC ($420M - 2001) - Mavs/Stars
5. Staples ($375M - 1999) - Lakers/Clippers/Kings
6. Rose garden ($267M - 2005) - Trailblazers.

Dallas got ripped off. And it wasn't like we were in an economic boom, with the DotCom bust underway.


Perot bilked money out of that project. There is nothing special about the AAC.



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On to more pleasant conversations.

Our future Cy Young SP - Matt Bush gets the nod today against the Reds. Mike Minor is on the hill, tomorrow against the A's.

Opening Day - March 29th, can't get here fast enough.

Less than 3 weeks.
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Just a couple tune-ups.

Bush and YoMen... getting in some work, nothing more... nothing less.
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Minor: 4.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
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Anyone headed to Opening Day? Year 22 in a row for me.
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TXAggie2011 said:

DannyDuberstein said:

I understand the goal of developing around it, but at the end of the day, it's Arlington. That development didnt happen in 25 years with TBIA. Hasn't happened in 10 years with Cowboys Stadium. There's a reason for that. Maybe the special event venue will change that, but I'm skeptical.
Well, lacking a real, coherent plan and any intent to actually follow through is always a problem. Downtown St. Louis was dead for years until they actually showed commitment to a real plan.

Texas Live, or whatever, is coming---its not just a conceptual plan anymore. The money is committed, the construction crews are working, they've got commitments from restaurants, breweries, etc.

The question is really "will it stick over time" now, not "will they ever build anything."

The stuff with a real plan in Arlington has mostly worked. The Highlands, the stuff around UTA/downtown, and Champions Park or whatever over on Collins has been getting up on its feet alright.
There was a lot planned around the Death Star to also tie in with the ballpark. Then the economy collapsed.
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I really want Colon to make the team . He's actually looked pretty good so far.
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I'd like to see Colon make the team just to listen to Grieve's commentary every start.
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FYI... game is on FoxSW today. Just got in from mowing yard.

Damn, Colon is fat ">

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Colon is a boss.

4.0 IP, 0 ER, 2H 3K, 0 BB

We're going to have the best rotation in the AL!
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Arrieta to Philly $75m/3years.
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KT 90 said:

FYI... game is on FoxSW today. Just got in from mowing yard.

Damn, Colon is fat ">
Thanks. Catching the end.
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Is this about right?

Projecting Rotation:
Hamels (LHP)
Perez (LHP)
Moore (LHP)
Fister (RHP)
Minor (LHP)

RP: Leclerc (R), Kela(DL), Bush (R), Diekman (L), Barnette (R), Claudio (L), Chavez (R), LIncecum (R)

AAA
Colon (RHP) <- might he be a long-releiver?
ABD (RHP)
YoMen (LHP)
Jurado (RHP)
Blackburn (RHP)

Ultimately, I think we'll go with a 5 man rotation. If 6?! Either Bush or Colon for the #6, the other long-reliever.

I'm expecting Kela to start on the DL.

I think Minor or Bush will get the 5th SP position... the other will be the long-reliever. Colon likely starts in the minors, because he is signed to a minor league deal. Him starting on the 25, would require them to clear/release him if they wnanted to send him down, once he gets on the 25?!

Look about right?
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Ag2012 said:


That answers that...
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What is the story on Kela and the DL? Sorry, haven't been following all the daily updates, guess I missed whatever happened to him.

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Bush to the pen is the correct move. I'm glad they realized it before the season.
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KT 90 said:

What is the story on Kela and the DL? Sorry, haven't been following all the daily updates, guess I missed whatever happened to him.
Shoulder soreness. Sent back to Arlington, IIRC.

Likely fine, I'm just being pessimistic. He has that 'you just don't know what to expect' feel.
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AFAIK, Perez has not pitched in a game, yet. He likely pitches today. Blackburn and Chavez start split squad games, today.

Hamels on for tomorrow.

If Perez is making his first appearance today... it makes me wonder if he'll be ready for Opening Day.

Rangers open with 14 straight games before a day off.
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Game 1 today:
Blackburn left game with elbow tightness
Leclerc - 2.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 K, 0BB
ABD - 3.0 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 K, 1BB
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I thought Perez was supposed to pitch, yesterday. Nothing. Good or bad? With some of the guys appearing to be having a decent time, maybe they are taking it slow. Anyone know?

Lots of good results in Game 2.

Diekman (1.0 IP, 0H, 0K, 0BB, 0ER), Claudio (1.0 IP, 0H, 2K, 0BB, 0ER) and YoMen (2.0 IP, 0H, 1K, 0BB, 0ER) all with pretty clean outings.

It will be interesting to see what happens with YoMen. He hasn't had the long outings, yet... so, I wonder if he'll be a BP candidate?!
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Perez threw four innings in a minor league game.
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They say they were happy with the outing, but the numbers weren't all that great. And it was against a Class A minor league team. But he got 4 innings in.....

https://www.mlb.com/news/martin-perez-makes-spring-training-debut/c-268551432

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Thanks, guys.
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Bush to the pen is the correct move. I'm glad they realized it before the season.
Back to throwing waist high fastballs ahead in the count, and hanging breakers on the inside corner to lefties.
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Calhoun optioned. "Has work to do on Defense"

FUCC that. Gonna platoon Rua and Robinson in LF.
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Huell Babineaux said:

Calhoun optioned. "Has work to do on Defense"

FUCC that. Gonna platoon Rua and Robinson in LF.

I think he was slumping at the plate as well. Remember seeing something a day or two ago that he was 0 for his last 15 (or something in that range).

 
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