Pretty obvious the Rangers did not want to help the Astros. Going to be an interesting series now. And it will be fascinating to hear the announcers and how it is covered by the national media.

LOL, I am sure he will still be able to sleep at night.

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dermdoc said:

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Pretty obvious the Rangers did not want to help the Astros.

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The Red and Blue glasses are thick with this one.

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It is not about being "fair". It is about going above and beyond in a bad situation.

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Texas Rangers: Houston, come up here where it is somewhat dry and fairly close to your families, take our gate, concession profits, be the home team.

Houston: F that, we'll go to Tampa Bay.

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They can have dry, home team, ticket and concessions, and be as helpful and accessible to anyone they hold close in Houston just as well in Tampa as Arlington. Obviously as far as the money issue, the Astros franchise isn't trying to ensure they make the most money off of this series.

The primary difference is the Rangers get to play at home in Arlington and in Tampa have to go on the road in some semblance of a fair and equitable schedule.

Now, you didn't say close to Astros fans but that's an OK reason. (I don't think too many evacuees are interested in finding a way to get to arlington for a game) If that's your goal, then you set a tone of trying to get (a) game(s) played in Houston at some point and you give that city a chance to come together and watch baseball in their home ballpark as a show that Houston is going to keep on keeping on.

(And I'm of the opinion that one game should have been delayed to the end of the season to be played in Houston if necessary or otherwise desired to be played.)

Give everyone another day to focus and get settled down emotionally.

AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Pretty obvious the Rangers did not want to help the Astros. Going to be an interesting series now. And it will be fascinating to hear the announcers and how it is covered by the national media.

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I wouldn't say they didn't want to help the Astros, I would say they didn't want to put themselves at a competitive disadvantage down the road.

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Yes, their priority was not putting themselves at a potential disadvantage down the road. Secondary was doing what Texans do, helping when people need help.

And put it over here!

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Take notes, Arlington

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AccidentProne said:

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And put it over here!

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Take notes, Arlington

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Good grief.

Go look at the other half of this post in the Astros thread. I amuse myself

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Go look at the other half of this post in the Astros thread. I amuse myself

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I meant my comment of "good grief" to the tweet and the comment of "Take notes, Arlington."

Just a funny situation since that was exactly what Arlington offered.

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Schrute said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Pretty obvious the Rangers did not want to help the Astros. Going to be an interesting series now. And it will be fascinating to hear the announcers and how it is covered by the national media.

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I wouldn't say they didn't want to help the Astros, I would say they didn't want to put themselves at a competitive disadvantage down the road.

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Yes, their priority was not putting themselves at a potential disadvantage down the road. Secondary was doing what Texans do, helping when people need help.

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How does swapping help in recovery relief efforts? It'd be a nice thing to do, sure, but has no bearing on what's really important. The city isn't in need of three baseball games next month, it's in need of money, supplies, etc. JD isn't doing anything anti-Humanitarian.

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At least you agree with the bottom line - first priority for the Rangers was to make sure they weren't put at a disadvantage. That, and to make sure their ticket holders weren't inconvenienced in any way. Any other considerations are secondary to those.

Schrute said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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Schrute said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Pretty obvious the Rangers did not want to help the Astros. Going to be an interesting series now. And it will be fascinating to hear the announcers and how it is covered by the national media.

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I wouldn't say they didn't want to help the Astros, I would say they didn't want to put themselves at a competitive disadvantage down the road.

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Yes, their priority was not putting themselves at a potential disadvantage down the road. Secondary was doing what Texans do, helping when people need help.

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How does swapping help in recovery relief efforts? It'd be a nice thing to do, sure, but has no bearing on what's really important. The city isn't in need of three baseball games next month, it's in need of money, supplies, etc. JD isn't doing anything anti-Humanitarian.

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At least you agree with the bottom line - first priority for the Rangers was to make sure they weren't put at a disadvantage. That, and to make sure their ticket holders weren't inconvenienced in any way. Any other considerations are secondary to those.

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If I can make a decision that is better for my ball club - one that has no bearing on the cities recovery efforts one way or another, why would JD not make that call?

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I'll ask this again since we have some different participants right now than we did last night. The Astros got put at a scheduling disadvantage due to Harvey. Why do they think the Rangers should then put themselves at a scheduling disadvantage also. Not trying to sound crass, but it's not the Rangers' venue that is unplayable. And since the location of three games a month from now has nothing to do with helping the city recover, I don't see the fault in making a decision in the best interest of where you're team is at in the standings. I don't think the Rangers will make the playoffs, but there's more than a zero percent chance, so you have to play it like you have a shot.

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And this post shows exactly why some of y'all do not get it. Thanks.

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I'll ask this again since we have some different participants right now than we did last night. The Astros got put at a scheduling disadvantage due to Harvey. Why do they think the Rangers should then put themselves at a scheduling disadvantage also? Not trying to sound crass, but it's not the Rangers' venue that is unplayable. And since the location of three games a month from now has nothing to do with helping the city recover, I don't see the fault in making a decision in the best interest of where you're team is at in the standings. I don't think the Rangers will make the playoffs, but there's more than a zero percent chance, so you have to play it like you have a shot.

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And this post shows exactly why some of y'all do not get it. Thanks.

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Well are you going to at least answer the question?

Astros got everything they wanted, in playing in Tampa.

Why are you all so upset?

It's a baseball game, guys.

Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

Did not the Astros ask to switch series? At least be honest.

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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And when you get right down to the brass tax, how was that not the exact priority of the Astros?

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Maybe so. Do you think the Astros and Rangers were in the exact same position here? Do you understand being decent just because of some one else's misfortune?

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/28/robert-kraft-and-new-england-patriots-pledge-match-1-million-donations-american-red

Your move.

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AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/28/robert-kraft-and-new-england-patriots-pledge-match-1-million-donations-american-red

Your move.

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Good on the Patriots. So that's one sports team out of about ~120, and from a league with a much bigger revenue stream.

Not that this is all that important, but all I have seen from the Rangers are the 50/50 raffle donations (which are already earmarked for charity)... How much else have they supposedly given?

Also: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/28/hurricane-harvey-houston-texans-relief-donation-dallas-cowboys

And several individuals that aren't from Houston or even really that related to it have given 6 figures... Still waiting on that Rangers response.

These are truly just donations - good will and empathy for others. No donation should be expected at all. But the PR is definitely an aspect to consider.

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Not that this is all that important, but all I have seen from the Rangers are the 50/50 raffle donations (which are already earmarked for charity)... How much else have they supposedly given?

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I'm not sure. But taking thousands of dollars from your own charity and giving it to flood relief is a good thing, no?

IMO there is a baseball side to this and a humanitarian side. It's possible to do the right thing on the humanitarian side (donations, supplies, ect.), while still doing what's best for the team on the baseball side.

AllThings12thMan said:

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Buck Compton said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/28/robert-kraft-and-new-england-patriots-pledge-match-1-million-donations-american-red

Your move.

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Good on the Patriots. So that's one sports team out of about ~120, and from a league with a much bigger revenue stream.

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In 3 minutes of looking.

The Jets and Pats both sent $1MM to the Red Cross fund. The owner of the Titans send JJ Watt's fund $1MM which was matched by the NFL Foundation. Jim Crane donated $4MM. Les Alexander started at $4MM. He's now at $10MM.

You might quit while you are ahead.

mathguy86 said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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Buck Compton said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/28/robert-kraft-and-new-england-patriots-pledge-match-1-million-donations-american-red

Your move.

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Good on the Patriots. So that's one sports team out of about ~120, and from a league with a much bigger revenue stream.

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In 3 minutes of looking.

The Jets and Pats both sent $1MM to the Red Cross fund. The owner of the Titans send JJ Watt's fund $1MM which was matched by the NFL Foundation. Jim Crane donated $4MM. Les Alexander started at $4MM. He's now at $10MM.

You might quit while you are ahead.

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Good on them again. Why don't you go through and see how many teams haven't done anything yet? My goal wasn't to see the rankings in the donation race. I didn't expect that the Rangers would be the largest givers. The intended point is that it's possible, and okay even, for the Rangers to assist with humanitarian efforts, and make the best decision for your baseball team, a decision which has nothing to do with humanitarian or rescue efforts.

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mathguy86 said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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Buck Compton said:

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AllThings12thMan said:

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Because sometimes decent people do things just because they are decent.

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How many sports teams do you think will donate more to Houston flood relief than the Rangers?

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http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/08/28/robert-kraft-and-new-england-patriots-pledge-match-1-million-donations-american-red

Your move.

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Good on the Patriots. So that's one sports team out of about ~120, and from a league with a much bigger revenue stream.

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In 3 minutes of looking.

The Jets and Pats both sent $1MM to the Red Cross fund. The owner of the Titans send JJ Watt's fund $1MM which was matched by the NFL Foundation. Jim Crane donated $4MM. Les Alexander started at $4MM. He's now at $10MM.

You might quit while you are ahead.

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Jerry Jones donated a million. Zeke and Dak have each donated $21K and challenged other Cowboys to do the same.

The Cowboys are going to do a donation telethon during the game Thursday night too so fans in Dallas can call in and donate.

Meanwhile, the Rangers front office are standing there like a pack of idiots. And I say that as a Rangers fan.

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but..but...raffle money! Take our raffle money, Houston!

Good thing the Rays swept them Aug 1-3 and no one has an appropriately apportioned DeLorean...