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Earth Rider said:

I wish the Nuggets would go for that, for us to trade Barnes and Keldon for MPJ. To me MPJ is a higher level player than Barnes and Keldon.

Looking back on it, really glad the Rockets took Shepard and not Castle. I can understand Sarr and Risacher, they both can be good players. And even Shepard may be ok once he plays more, but we have so much more in Castle.

I guess in a redraft Castle would go 1, Sarr maybe 2 he still has a high ceiling. Matas could go 3 in a redraft, and he might end up being the best player in the 24 class. Rissacher may go 4. McCain had a good season pre injury, but i don't believe in him yet. To me he kind of had a jeremy Lin type season. But dang, its crazy how little talent is coming out of last years class, which I know was a weak draft class. Just really glad we got Castle out of that class.


How Matas developed last year is why I am still kind of pissed we traded 8 last year for the Wolves swap. For the stage we're still at in the rebuild, you can't turn down lottery tickets like that when you have a chance to grab and develop a kid.

We're in here talking circles around how to get a 6'10" shooter on the team and Matas is that guy, we decided not to draft him though.
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AggieEP said:

Earth Rider said:

I wish the Nuggets would go for that, for us to trade Barnes and Keldon for MPJ. To me MPJ is a higher level player than Barnes and Keldon.

Looking back on it, really glad the Rockets took Shepard and not Castle. I can understand Sarr and Risacher, they both can be good players. And even Shepard may be ok once he plays more, but we have so much more in Castle.

I guess in a redraft Castle would go 1, Sarr maybe 2 he still has a high ceiling. Matas could go 3 in a redraft, and he might end up being the best player in the 24 class. Rissacher may go 4. McCain had a good season pre injury, but i don't believe in him yet. To me he kind of had a jeremy Lin type season. But dang, its crazy how little talent is coming out of last years class, which I know was a weak draft class. Just really glad we got Castle out of that class.


How Matas developed last year is why I am still kind of pissed we traded 8 last year for the Wolves swap. For the stage we're still at in the rebuild, you can't turn down lottery tickets like that when you have a chance to grab and develop a kid.

We're in here talking circles around how to get a 6'10" shooter on the team and Matas is that guy, we decided not to draft him though.

Nah, trading 8 was the right pick.

* 2030 Wolves unprotected Swap
* 2031 Wolves unprotected pick - traded for DeAaron Fox
* opened up the cap space to accept Harrison Barnes for free
* 2031 Kings swap for taking Barnes' salary

That's pretty insane value for the 8th pick.

And I think the unprotected swaps from two ****ty franchises when Wemby, Harper, and Castle are on extensions are going to be insanely valuable.
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Not an MPJ fan.
He all but disappeared against OKC in the playoffs.
Yes he can shoot but he's not going to solve the rebounding problem. He's used to guarding smaller players as a SF. Not sure he's going to be as effective against bigger players at PF.
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jteagle said:

Not an MPJ fan.
He all but disappeared against OKC in the playoffs.
Yes he can shoot but he's not going to solve the rebounding problem. He's used to guarding smaller players as a SF. Not sure he's going to be as effective against bigger players at PF.


He's playing with a sprained left shoulder and probably shouldn't have been playing, but they also had so many other injuries that he gutted through it.

I think regardless of trading for him or not, we sign or draft a big guy and can play the double big lineups that are becoming popular again.

But if it only cost Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson, MPJ is going to be significantly better than both on defense.
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Spurs mock trades keep coming up on my feed. The best part is Bucks, Suns, Celtics and Nets fans acting like they have any leverage. Spurs are probably content to sit there and do nothing, but Celtics and Suns are ticking salary cap bombs, Nets whiffed in the lottery and are scrambling to rebuild, and the Giannis is entertaining leaving the team after failing to build a sustainable and formidable team around him….this offseason has been awesome and we haven't really started yet
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jteagle said:

Not an MPJ fan.
He all but disappeared against OKC in the playoffs.
Yes he can shoot but he's not going to solve the rebounding problem. He's used to guarding smaller players as a SF. Not sure he's going to be as effective against bigger players at PF.
Porter has been pretty consistently a 50/40/80 guy shooting, and we'd be asking him to stand behind the line and fire. It's true that Barnes gives us some of that value, but Porter is an elite shooter, a definite upgrade. He also has the ability to get off contested shots, and still shoots a pretty good percentage.

This might actually be one of those trades that's a win/win, Denver gets a bit of depth bringing in 2 players in Keldon and Barnes that can give them solid if not spectacular minutes, plus 14 to take whoever they want to add depth (likely at PG).

For us, we get a high upside guy in MPJ who is better than Barnes, and also clear a bit of a logjam of 6'5'' guys by shipping out Keldon.

Wemby
MPJ
Castle
Harper
Fox

Is a lineup I like a lot, it might not win immediately as guys figure out their roles and Harper adjusts to playing in the NBA, but I think by year 2, this is one of the best lineups in the league. Assuming that Harper's ability to hit catch and shoot 3's translates from college to the NBA, that means we've now got the shooting around Wemby we've wanted with MPJ, Fox and Harper all competent shooters. Castle is your slasher and defends the other teams top option. Wemby has room to operate and be himself.

Your second unit hopefully looks like

Kornet
Sochan
Julian
Vassell
Jones

Nothing super exciting, but hilariously pretty much what our starting lineup was 2 years ago.
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I wouldn't add 14 to Barnes and Keldon. 38 this year and maybe a second next year.

They don't have a first or second this year, they have their first next year but no second. They don't own a second until 2032.

Keldon+Barnes+38 and a second in the year of their choice for MPJ and Saric (to clear Saric's salary of 1y5.4M.

That gets them below the first apron with some breathing room to bring back Brodie. We take on their millstone contact, not getting the first is the cost.

Agree with the rest.
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AggieEP said:

Your second unit hopefully looks like

Kornet
Sochan
Julian
Vassell
Jones

Nothing super exciting, but hilariously pretty much what our starting lineup was 2 years ago.


Why would we resign Tre Jones?
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Obi Wan Ginobili
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I think MPJ would be a menace on a team with Fox and Wemby
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West Texan said:

AggieEP said:

Your second unit hopefully looks like

Kornet
Sochan
Julian
Vassell
Jones

Nothing super exciting, but hilariously pretty much what our starting lineup was 2 years ago.


Why would we resign Tre Jones?
I'll shuffle it a bit.

2 on
14 on Carter Bryant
38 goes to Denver with Keldon and Barnes for MPJ and Saric.

MLE for Kornet.
BAE for Taurean Prince or Yabusele (or BPA)
Vet Min for best center that will accept. DeAndre Jordan, Thomas Bryant, Bismack or best available (Undrafted Amari Williams from Kentucky?)

Wemby
MPJ
Castle
Harper
Fox

2nd team will stagger Harper and Fox so one is always on the floor.

Kornet
Prince
Sochan
Vassell
Harper

Depth

Thomas Bryant
Saric
Julian
Carter Bryant
Branham
Wesley
Earth Rider
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Guitarsoup said:

AggieEP said:

Earth Rider said:

I wish the Nuggets would go for that, for us to trade Barnes and Keldon for MPJ. To me MPJ is a higher level player than Barnes and Keldon.

Looking back on it, really glad the Rockets took Shepard and not Castle. I can understand Sarr and Risacher, they both can be good players. And even Shepard may be ok once he plays more, but we have so much more in Castle.

I guess in a redraft Castle would go 1, Sarr maybe 2 he still has a high ceiling. Matas could go 3 in a redraft, and he might end up being the best player in the 24 class. Rissacher may go 4. McCain had a good season pre injury, but i don't believe in him yet. To me he kind of had a jeremy Lin type season. But dang, its crazy how little talent is coming out of last years class, which I know was a weak draft class. Just really glad we got Castle out of that class.


How Matas developed last year is why I am still kind of pissed we traded 8 last year for the Wolves swap. For the stage we're still at in the rebuild, you can't turn down lottery tickets like that when you have a chance to grab and develop a kid.

We're in here talking circles around how to get a 6'10" shooter on the team and Matas is that guy, we decided not to draft him though.

Nah, trading 8 was the right pick.

* 2030 Wolves unprotected Swap
* 2031 Wolves unprotected pick - traded for DeAaron Fox
* opened up the cap space to accept Harrison Barnes for free
* 2031 Kings swap for taking Barnes' salary

That's pretty insane value for the 8th pick.

And I think the unprotected swaps from two ****ty franchises when Wemby, Harper, and Castle are on extensions are going to be insanely valuable.
I can't fault the Spurs for getting Fox, an all star and a third team All NBA point guard.

We also lost this year's Chicago's 12 pick in the trade, but without Matas its likely Chicago pick would have been in the top 10 and then not transferred.

Matas is so freaking athletic, and he has a really good handle for a 6'10. he'd much rather drive than shoot from the arc. How he beats the one-on-one to get to the basket for somebody his size is really impressive. He reminds me of Ginobli in that way. He's already a great defender. His shooting is his weakness but not that bad for a rookie as he shot 36% from the 3. And he is a solid rim protector already.

I know this sounds like irritating told you so 20/20 hindsight, but I really liked Matas in the 24 draft. Not enough to draft him over Castle, I thought there was a clear top 4 last year. But Buzelis will only get better each year, and I think he surpassed everybody's expectations as a rookie. You watch his highlights as a rookie, and its surprising how good he is.

I think Buzelis has the highest ceiling in the 24 class, but between him and Sarr and Castle I know is debatable. We know what Castle is, and if he develops a shot then he is an All NBA player. Sarr is so fast for a big guy and athletic and a strong rim protector. I don't think he has near the handle or versatility of Buzelis or just overall BBIQ that Matas has. I think it will end up as Castle or Matas as the top player from the 24 class.

But Fox is a really good player, and he wanted to be a Spur. Again, I can't fault the Spurs for getting Fox. Plus the Wolves 2030 pick swap and the 2031 Kings swap. I think Kings will start to tank around 27 or 28, its hard to say how good they will be by 2031. But I don't value future picks that far out as much as some, too much hope and glass half full IMO.
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Earth Rider said:

Guitarsoup said:

AggieEP said:

Earth Rider said:

I wish the Nuggets would go for that, for us to trade Barnes and Keldon for MPJ. To me MPJ is a higher level player than Barnes and Keldon.

Looking back on it, really glad the Rockets took Shepard and not Castle. I can understand Sarr and Risacher, they both can be good players. And even Shepard may be ok once he plays more, but we have so much more in Castle.

I guess in a redraft Castle would go 1, Sarr maybe 2 he still has a high ceiling. Matas could go 3 in a redraft, and he might end up being the best player in the 24 class. Rissacher may go 4. McCain had a good season pre injury, but i don't believe in him yet. To me he kind of had a jeremy Lin type season. But dang, its crazy how little talent is coming out of last years class, which I know was a weak draft class. Just really glad we got Castle out of that class.


How Matas developed last year is why I am still kind of pissed we traded 8 last year for the Wolves swap. For the stage we're still at in the rebuild, you can't turn down lottery tickets like that when you have a chance to grab and develop a kid.

We're in here talking circles around how to get a 6'10" shooter on the team and Matas is that guy, we decided not to draft him though.

Nah, trading 8 was the right pick.

* 2030 Wolves unprotected Swap
* 2031 Wolves unprotected pick - traded for DeAaron Fox
* opened up the cap space to accept Harrison Barnes for free
* 2031 Kings swap for taking Barnes' salary

That's pretty insane value for the 8th pick.

And I think the unprotected swaps from two ****ty franchises when Wemby, Harper, and Castle are on extensions are going to be insanely valuable.
I can't fault the Spurs for getting Fox, an all star and a third team All NBA point guard.

We also lost this year's Chicago's 12 pick in the trade, but without Matas its likely Chicago pick would have been in the top 10 and then not transferred.

Matas is so freaking athletic, and he has a really good handle for a 6'10. he'd much rather drive than shoot from the arc. How he beats the one-on-one to get to the basket for somebody his size is really impressive. He reminds me of Ginobli in that way. He's already a great defender. His shooting is his weakness but not that bad for a rookie as he shot 36% from the 3. And he is a solid rim protector already.

I know this sounds like irritating told you so 20/20 hindsight, but I really liked Matas in the 24 draft. Not enough to draft him over Castle, I thought there was a clear top 4 last year. But Buzelis will only get better each year, and I think he surpassed everybody's expectations as a rookie. You watch his highlights as a rookie, and its surprising how good he is.

I think Buzelis has the highest ceiling in the 24 class, but between him and Sarr and Castle I know is debatable. We know what Castle is, and if he develops a shot then he is an All NBA player. Sarr is so fast for a big guy and athletic and a strong rim protector. I don't think he has near the handle or versatility of Buzelis or just overall BBIQ that Matas has. I think it will end up as Castle or Matas as the top player from the 24 class.

But Fox is a really good player, and he wanted to be a Spur. Again, I can't fault the Spurs for getting Fox. Plus the Wolves 2030 pick swap and the 2031 Kings swap. I think Kings will start to tank around 27 or 28, its hard to say how good they will be by 2031. But I don't value future picks that far out as much as some, too much hope and glass half full IMO.
Matas played better than I expected at the end of the season, but his best stuff was there at the end in somewhat meaningless games against bad opponents. His month splits were all over the place. He certainly looked better to me than I expected, but he is super inconsistent. And I wonder if Chicago is the right long term place for him to really develop into a winning player. I think the big issue with Matas will be his offensive feel. Will he learn to play in a team system and create? I think that is a lot harder to learn than what is holding back Steph - his shooting.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/buzelma01/splits/2025

I don't think Sarr will have the creation to really be a great player. I think he will be a more athletic Brook Lopez. Good stretch center role player, but not really a star.

I think Castle has the highest ceiling. He's already a better defender and creator than either one, the only thing that is holding him back from breaking out as a full fledged star is having an average shot. I dont see anything in his shot or work ethic that would make me hesitant to believe he could be a 35-38% C&S shooter within the period of his rookie deal.
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Yea. I'm pumping the breaks the Matas what could have been. He had a nice second half of the season but I would still make the trade we did. Ignite still doesn't have the best track record. Not to say he won't hit, but I'm not losing sleep over not taking him.
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Im fine either way honestly. I really liked Matas predraft based mostly on one interview I listened to. Plus he challenged Richochet to a one on one game.
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Don't forget that Josh Giddey put up 21/11/9 on 5-/46/81 shooting post-ASB for the Bulls, too. I don't think he is Luka.
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Fox averages 21 points and 6 assists for his career, is in the middle of his prime, and we're upset we passed on a kid that couldn't even get 20 minutes per game for the Bulls?

Buzellis may turn out to be a really good player, but I'm taking that trade every time that ended up landing us an all star level PG plus future picks.
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West Texan said:

Fox averages 21 points and 6 assists for his career, is in the middle of his prime, and we're upset we passed on a kid that couldn't even get 20 minutes per game for the Bulls?

Buzellis may turn out to be a really good player, but I'm taking that trade every time that ended up landing us an all star level PG plus future picks.
Fox has been a top 20 scorer in the NBA each of the last 6 years. Top 15 in 4 of the last 5.

Top 20 in FTA/game in each of the last 6 years and top 15 in 4 of those years.

Pretty excited about what he does the next ~5 years.
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What about trading the 2nd pick, to Utah, draft knueppel with the 5th pick, and get Laurie markinen for the 4 that can shoot.

We would have to trade another one or two players for some salary filler to get markinen


For the record, i am for keeping the pick and drafting Harper. But with that trade we help to fill two of our biggest needs
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Earth Rider said:

What about trading the 2nd pick, to Utah, draft knueppel with the 5th pick, and get Laurie markinen for the 4 that can shoot.

We would have to trade another one or two players for some salary filler to get markinen


For the record, i am for keeping the pick and drafting Harper. But with that trade we help to fill two of our biggest needs


I am on record as being a huge Markanen guy, but with his new contract and 2 straight down years, I'm not sure he's still what I want.

Also, Kon is 100% not what I want. I see his ceiling as Grayson Allen. And that's not 5th pick in the draft value.
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AggieEP said:

Earth Rider said:

What about trading the 2nd pick, to Utah, draft knueppel with the 5th pick, and get Laurie markinen for the 4 that can shoot.

We would have to trade another one or two players for some salary filler to get markinen


For the record, i am for keeping the pick and drafting Harper. But with that trade we help to fill two of our biggest needs


I am on record as being a huge Markanen guy, but with his new contract and 2 straight down years, I'm not sure he's still what I want.

Also, Kon is 100% not what I want. I see his ceiling as Grayson Allen. And that's not 5th pick in the draft value.
I never was on the Kon bandwagon either to be honest. But He is the best shooter in the draft.

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Lauri is way overpaid and one dimensional. His fit is great but he's never healthy, had no big game experience and that contract is awful.
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He is a good rebounder as well but I don't like how many games he has missed.
It's weird to me that so many players that are in trade rumors for the Spurs are injury prone.
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Lauri had just 5.9 rpg last year in 31mpg. His previous two years were at 8, but he was below 6 before that.

MPJ is cheaper, more consistent, played well on a championship team, and has just 2y left.
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Good players on acceptable contracts that aren't injury prone don't usually end up in trade rumors, to be fair. Not unless they specifically ask out.

I am cool with the idea of MPJ, especially if we can get away with mostly just sending them a consolidation of our forwards and not having to toss in first rounders. If we have to add the 14 it gets a little too rich for my blood. Having a 6'10 elite movement shooter with championship experience would be a really nice tool to add around our 3 playmakers. We have been lacking size and shooting and he gives us both, and while he won't scare anyone on the boards he is adequate there considering he has primarily been playing the 3. Plus he's only 26 and his deal expires before Wemby/Castle extensions. Could start Castle or Sochan depending on need.

Fox-Dev-Castle-MPJ-Wemby

Harper-?-Julian-Sochan-?

Fill those question marks with a combination of the MLE, pick 14, and the BAE.
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Also if you trade for Porter and Harper shows that he can shoot well as a two, you can go bigger with Castle coming off the bench and have have Jeremy next to Porter.

Send out keldon and Barnes.

I also think that if you take Porter you think about maybe taking the upswing with Essengue rather than maybe Carter Bryant or Fleming.

MLE on Adams or Kornet

BAE on Prince or Yabusale.

Wemby/Adams
Porter/Sochan
Castle/Prince
Harper/Vassell
Fox/Harper

And you so have Julian and Essengue
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Wemby not playing in Euro to focus on recovery.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45367517/2025-nba-draft-withdrawal-deadline-winners-losers-college-basketball-florida-danny-wolf


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Givony: Not only did we see the lowest number of early-entrant candidates (106) in a decade, but another dozen or so draftable prospects withdrew at the deadline, making this one of the shallowest second rounds we've seen in a few years.

NBA teams have expressed surprise and concerns about this development, wondering how effectively they will be able to assemble summer league and G League rosters relative to years past, but most believe this is a temporary bottleneck (one caused by the abnormal amount of money) that will clear in the next year or two as the players who elected to return to school this year exhaust their NCAA eligibility.
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Guitarsoup said:



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45367517/2025-nba-draft-withdrawal-deadline-winners-losers-college-basketball-florida-danny-wolf


Quote:

Givony: Not only did we see the lowest number of early-entrant candidates (106) in a decade, but another dozen or so draftable prospects withdrew at the deadline, making this one of the shallowest second rounds we've seen in a few years.

NBA teams have expressed surprise and concerns about this development, wondering how effectively they will be able to assemble summer league and G League rosters relative to years past, but most believe this is a temporary bottleneck (one caused by the abnormal amount of money) that will clear in the next year or two as the players who elected to return to school this year exhaust their NCAA eligibility.



NBA execs concerned about assembling GLeague and Summer League teams is absurd. If anything, they should be happey that they don't always have to project onto 19 year olds all the time and instead get to draft guys with a little more seasoning.
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Some names on there that should interest us. Harper is soooo good at the rim, it's pretty incredible.
Enzo The Baker
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As a freaking guard!

Edit: is efg% at the rin different than fg% at the rim? I don't quite understand that.
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Ag Natural said:

Guitarsoup said:



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45367517/2025-nba-draft-withdrawal-deadline-winners-losers-college-basketball-florida-danny-wolf


Quote:

Givony: Not only did we see the lowest number of early-entrant candidates (106) in a decade, but another dozen or so draftable prospects withdrew at the deadline, making this one of the shallowest second rounds we've seen in a few years.

NBA teams have expressed surprise and concerns about this development, wondering how effectively they will be able to assemble summer league and G League rosters relative to years past, but most believe this is a temporary bottleneck (one caused by the abnormal amount of money) that will clear in the next year or two as the players who elected to return to school this year exhaust their NCAA eligibility.



NBA execs concerned about assembling GLeague and Summer League teams is absurd. If anything, they should be happey that they don't always have to project onto 19 year olds all the time and instead get to draft guys with a little more seasoning.
I think it is more about them sad they are missing out at talent at the end of the 1st and in the 2nd round. This draft will be solid in the first 20 picks, then drop off is the guess.
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Supposedly Orlando and Cleveland are talking about a Garland for Suggs deal.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.
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Enzo The Baker said:

As a freaking guard!

Edit: is efg% at the rin different than fg% at the rim? I don't quite understand that.


eFG% is one of those new metrics that claims to provide a more accurate measure of fg efficiency. Basically makes a 3pt shot worth 1.5 times the value of a 2pter.
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