HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Enzo The Baker said:

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As a freaking guard!

Edit: is efg% at the rin different than fg% at the rim? I don't quite understand that.

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eFG% is one of those new metrics that claims to provide a more accurate measure of fg efficiency. Basically makes a 3pt shot worth 1.5 times the value of a 2pter.

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Right, but when you are only talking about rim attempts.... there are no three pointers.

Right. I get it when 3 pointers are involved but it seems to me that efg% and fg% would be the same in the paint.

Looking at Orlando's cap: They are at 200M with 15 players under contract and two firsts, which is over the first apron. They can clear the two roster spots by cutting Gary Harris and Cojo, which saves ~10M, but brings in 8M in rookie deals. So still over 1st apron.

They are supposedly trying to work out a deal with Cleveland that is based around Garland for Jalen Suggs.

What if we send them some seconds to accept Goga into the MLE? 8.3M would leave 5.8M in MLE left. Gives them some breathing room to work out a deal.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Right. I get it when 3 pointers are involved but it seems to me that efg% and fg% would be the same in the paint.

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Yes, they're the same when you're talking about strictly at the rim.

Guitarsoup said:

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.

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That's an unusual mock with the run on wings before our pick. Drake Powelll? I know he has moved up a lot but mid lottery?

I'd be happy with Maluach but I don't see that nock being accurate

It's interesting but there have only been three centers go in the top ten picks in the last 10 years. Wemby Chet and Aaton.

Fleming has been mocked low recently in several I've seen. Doesn't make sense. I would still take him at 14.

Earth Rider said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.

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That's an unusual mock with the run on wings before our pick. Drake Powelll? I know he has moved up a lot but mid lottery?

I'd be happy with Maluach but I don't see that nock being accurate

It's interesting but there have only been three centers go in the top ten picks in the last 10 years. Wemby Chet and Aaton.

Fleming has been mocked low recently in several I've seen. Doesn't make sense. I would still take him at 14.

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I think Fleming is going low because front offices don't believe in his ability to be part of an offense. That doesn't work in most offenses. I think he can set screens and sit in the corner and be effective for us, but that's because we have 4 good creators. That doesn't work on a team like Houston or Orlando where they don't have a good creator let alone multiple.

Fleming would be super scary on OKC. They could always keep two of Fleming ,Chet, and Hart on the floor. And maybe go big with all three plus SGA and JDub.

Guitarsoup said:

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.

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I really think we trade 14 for help on the wing.

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.

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I really think we trade 14 for help on the wing.

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Depends what is there. If PHX will take 14, Devin and Keldon for KD, maybe.

I would be shocked if the Spurs weren't interested in one of the defense oriented forwards in the draft - Bryant, Coward, Essengue, or Fleming.


Also:

Earth Rider said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/

KOC's new mock draft has Toronto taking Coward and Malauch falling to us at 14.

I don't hate it, but I don't know how we upgrade our forward positions.

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That's an unusual mock with the run on wings before our pick. Drake Powelll? I know he has moved up a lot but mid lottery?

I'd be happy with Maluach but I don't see that nock being accurate

It's interesting but there have only been three centers go in the top ten picks in the last 10 years. Wemby Chet and Aaton.

Fleming has been mocked low recently in several I've seen. Doesn't make sense. I would still take him at 14.

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Just off the top of my head I recall Poeltl, Wiseman, and Zach Collins. Maybe Zach isn't a center in the NBA. KAT and Porzingis were in the same draft. Maybe that was more than 10 years ago. But then just last draft we had Sarr, Clingan, and Edey all in the top 10. Maybe Sarr won't be a center but those other two definitely are.

LaRavia and I discussed upcoming free agency, which should have quite a few potential suitors chasing his services.

He enjoyed his time in Sacramento and would be happy to return there, but mentioned Orlando, Detroit, San Antonio and Denver as other fits he’s targeting. https://t.co/YzNe7KIHWN pic.twitter.com/yqt79YzEEr

— ben pfeifer (@bjpf_) May 29, 2025

I like Laravia and he would fit our roster off the bench.

LaRavia would be a great use for the BAE after we get Kornet or Adams with the MLE. Alternatively, use the MLE to accept Goga from Orlando for 2nds so they can cut salary then we have about 5.8M left from the MLE plus the BAE.

BAE Options:

LaRavia
Taurean Prince (SA Native, Warren HS)
Yabusele

Also, maybe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is available.
From Yahoo:

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There are no untouchables in New Orleans. League sources say the Pelicans are gauging the market for everyone on their roster. They very well could end up keeping their core pieces, namely Zion Williamson, but it appears the Pelicans are looking into taking different paths this summer depending on what opportunities become available.

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Guitarsoup said:

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LaRavia would be a great use for the BAE after we get Kornet or Adams with the MLE. Alternatively, use the MLE to accept Goga from Orlando for 2nds so they can cut salary then we have about 5.8M left from the MLE plus the BAE.

BAE Options:

LaRavia
Taurean Prince (SA Native, Warren HS)
Yabusele

Also, maybe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is available.
From Yahoo:

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There are no untouchables in New Orleans. League sources say the Pelicans are gauging the market for everyone on their roster. They very well could end up keeping their core pieces, namely Zion Williamson, but it appears the Pelicans are looking into taking different paths this summer depending on what opportunities become available.

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Spurs get: KD, Trey Murphy
Suns get: Harrison Barnes, Keldon, #14 this year
Pelicans get: Vassell, Sochan, future first, as many 2nds as they want

Sign Laravia and Kornet.

Tell okc the Spurs are coming, and hells coming with em!

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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LaRavia would be a great use for the BAE after we get Kornet or Adams with the MLE. Alternatively, use the MLE to accept Goga from Orlando for 2nds so they can cut salary then we have about 5.8M left from the MLE plus the BAE.

BAE Options:

LaRavia
Taurean Prince (SA Native, Warren HS)
Yabusele

Also, maybe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is available.
From Yahoo:

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There are no untouchables in New Orleans. League sources say the Pelicans are gauging the market for everyone on their roster. They very well could end up keeping their core pieces, namely Zion Williamson, but it appears the Pelicans are looking into taking different paths this summer depending on what opportunities become available.

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Spurs get: KD, Trey Murphy
Suns get: Harrison Barnes, Keldon, #14 this year
Pelicans get: Vassell, Sochan, future first, as many 2nds as they want

Sign Laravia and Kornet.

Tell okc the Spurs are coming, and hells coming with em!

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Hear me out:




Wemby - Kornet - Min FA
MPJ - Yabusele - Min FA
Herb - LaRavia - Min FA
Castle - Vassell - Branham
Fox - Harper - Wesley

Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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LaRavia would be a great use for the BAE after we get Kornet or Adams with the MLE. Alternatively, use the MLE to accept Goga from Orlando for 2nds so they can cut salary then we have about 5.8M left from the MLE plus the BAE.

BAE Options:

LaRavia
Taurean Prince (SA Native, Warren HS)
Yabusele

Also, maybe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is available.
From Yahoo:

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There are no untouchables in New Orleans. League sources say the Pelicans are gauging the market for everyone on their roster. They very well could end up keeping their core pieces, namely Zion Williamson, but it appears the Pelicans are looking into taking different paths this summer depending on what opportunities become available.

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Spurs get: KD, Trey Murphy
Suns get: Harrison Barnes, Keldon, #14 this year
Pelicans get: Vassell, Sochan, future first, as many 2nds as they want

Sign Laravia and Kornet.

Tell okc the Spurs are coming, and hells coming with em!

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Hear me out:




Wemby - Kornet - Min FA
MPJ - Yabusele - Min FA
Herb - LaRavia - Min FA
Castle - Vassell - Branham
Fox - Harper - Wesley

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I don't hate it, but is Herb Jones really worth #14, Sochan, and Champgnie?

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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LaRavia would be a great use for the BAE after we get Kornet or Adams with the MLE. Alternatively, use the MLE to accept Goga from Orlando for 2nds so they can cut salary then we have about 5.8M left from the MLE plus the BAE.

BAE Options:

LaRavia
Taurean Prince (SA Native, Warren HS)
Yabusele

Also, maybe Trey Murphy or Herb Jones is available.
From Yahoo:

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There are no untouchables in New Orleans. League sources say the Pelicans are gauging the market for everyone on their roster. They very well could end up keeping their core pieces, namely Zion Williamson, but it appears the Pelicans are looking into taking different paths this summer depending on what opportunities become available.

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Spurs get: KD, Trey Murphy
Suns get: Harrison Barnes, Keldon, #14 this year
Pelicans get: Vassell, Sochan, future first, as many 2nds as they want

Sign Laravia and Kornet.

Tell okc the Spurs are coming, and hells coming with em!

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Hear me out:




Wemby - Kornet - Min FA
MPJ - Yabusele - Min FA
Herb - LaRavia - Min FA
Castle - Vassell - Branham
Fox - Harper - Wesley

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I don't hate it, but is Herb Jones really worth #14, Sochan, and Champgnie?

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It's about what they have asked for him. Sochan and 14 easily. They were asking 2-3 firsts for him and he is on a great contract. Herb is better defensively and I have more confidence in his shot than Jeremy.

Last year when he was healthy he was 5th in DPOY and shot 42% from three. Not sure if that is an outlier in shooting, but I dont think it is in defense.

I think Herb+Wemby+Castle could be two 1st teams and a 2nd team all-defense.

I'm a big fan of Herb, but he also dropped pretty significantly from 3 before having surgery on his shooting shoulder.

Zion Williamson has been accused of rape and physical abuse in Los Angeles by a Jane Doe claiming to be his former girlfriend, per @DailyMail

“In addition to two specific rape allegations, the New Orleans Pelicans power forward is accused of a continuing pattern of 'abusive,… pic.twitter.com/XllORs1UXH

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) May 30, 2025

Zion Williamson when he’s not playing basketball pic.twitter.com/JYeu0gk4GV

— Sports Troller (@SportsTrollerX) May 30, 2025

Congratulations, @wemby 🏆

In just 46 games, Victor led the NBA in blocks this season 👏 pic.twitter.com/kWre3JqxeZ

— San Antonio Spurs (@spurs) May 30, 2025

I would never have guessed that trophy symbolized blocks.

aggieactor01 said:

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I would never have guessed that trophy symbolized blocks.

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Well, it is shaped like a block.

DeMar talking about Pop

Guitarsoup said:

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DeMar talking about Pop

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DeMar is cool, great stories. The film about the penguins Pop made them watch was funny. DeMar knew he was being coached by one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time. He loved Pop and cherished his time with him.

Recently come across some concerns about Wemby's height, that he has continued to grow and is now closer to 7'-6" than 7'-3". There may be some repercussions from his increasing height that will shorten his career.

Recently, Wemby's potential shortened career is giving some talking heads reasoning the Spurs need to accelerate the roster rebuild and acquire some vets, like KD or Giannis or whoever, through trades.

There may be some potential injury or shortened career repercussions if Wemby really is 7'6", but I've seen no solid evidence to back that up. It seems un-merited to talk about potential injuries to a player when he hasn't been significantly injured to this point. I guess if he has to guard on the perimeter, his height may make him less agile. It seems the more athleticism required, the more prone to injury. Guys like Luka and Nikola Jokic don't rely on athleticism, and big bodied, and don't get injured as much.

I remember Shawn Bradley was 7'6" and just read he was paralyzed from a bicycle accident he had in 2012. I didn't know that happened to him. Sad to hear about it. But during his NBA career, he dislocated his knee and had various knee injuries. I thought he had some back issues but couldn't really remember.

Wemby seems to have more muscle and width, Bradley was more of a string bean.

But just from being a long-time NBA observer, it does seem like once you get past the 7' mark that the players seem to be more injury prone. Robinson, Oden, Yao Ming, etc..

I don't think he has grown as much as fans say. I do not think he is 7'6 at all.

And no one has ever been as tall and as nimble as him. Plus his parents started him on a lot of stretching and strengthening from an early age.

You're watching too much AM Hoops

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I don't think he has grown as much as fans say. I do not think he is 7'6 at all.

And no one has ever been as tall and as nimble as him. Plus his parents started him on a lot of stretching and strengthening from an early age.

You're watching too much AM Hoops

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I did see he measured as 7'2" when he was 16, so its likely he has grown at least an inch. But I don't know if he is closer to 7'6 or 7'3.

He is a very special player. One every 100 years or so.

On the bottom of my list of worries are concerns from randos on the internet with no medical background predicting Wemby will have a short career.

Who knows? Body type and frame wise he reminds me more of a young Kevin Durant. And Durant has had a remarkably durable career outside of his Achilles injury that he came back from perfectly.

Wemby seems committed to doing things designed to make sure his body holds up, so I see no reason not to expect that he gives us another good 10-13 years of prime Wemby before declining in his mid to late 30s like most players do.

AggieEP said:

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On the bottom of my list of worries are concerns from randos on the internet with no medical background predicting Wemby will have a short career.

Who knows? Body type and frame wise he reminds me more of a young Kevin Durant. And Durant has had a remarkably durable career outside of his Achilles injury that he came back from perfectly.

Wemby seems committed to doing things designed to make sure his body holds up, so I see no reason not to expect that he gives us another good 10-13 years of prime Wemby before declining in his mid to late 30s like most players do.

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Yeah, we have talked about it before, but I had all the same concerns based solely on his height and the history of people at that height. But Wemby has been doing stuff to strengthen his body to prevent injuries that aren't typical and we have seen a number of times that he landed on a foot wrong where his body didn't react badly.

I also think Wemby will be the type of player that can be effective when he is older for a few reasons. He is developing a shot. The guys that are effective into their late 30s or 40s are able to not rely on their athleticism but their BBIQ and shot. Kareem his skyhook, Malone, Jordan, and Duncan had their middies, Durant his whole game. Defensively, Wemby doesn't have to rely on jumping as much as some because of his wingspan and deterrence through positioning. I think that will continue, similar to Brook Lopez.

Even if Wemby loses athleticism, he will still be an elite rim protector and will still have his shot. A stretch 5 is a pretty great tool, even if he loses some of his other abilities.

Barring a freak issue, I think he can likely have an extremely lengthy career, if that is what he wants.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks

Ummmm, yes please.

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Dallas Mavericks get: 2025 No. 2 pick, 2025 No. 14 pick, 2027 Atlanta Hawks' first-rounder, return of swap rights to Mavericks' 2030 first-rounder


San Antonio Spurs get: 2025 No. 1 pick

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks

Ummmm, yes please.

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Dallas Mavericks get: 2025 No. 2 pick, 2025 No. 14 pick, 2027 Atlanta Hawks' first-rounder, return of swap rights to Mavericks' 2030 first-rounder


San Antonio Spurs get: 2025 No. 1 pick

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Nico would never

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Offer No. 1: Spurs move up to build frontcourt of the future
Dallas Mavericks get: 2025 No. 2 pick, 2025 No. 14 pick, 2027 Atlanta Hawks' first-rounder, return of swap rights to Mavericks' 2030 first-rounder
San Antonio Spurs get: 2025 No. 1 pick
The ultimate goal of this trade is to pair Flagg and Victor Wembanyama, the most-hyped No. 1 pick of the decade. They would be Tim Duncan and David Robinson for a new generation. And although the Spurs just missed out on winning the lottery, they have the assets that might entice Dallas to swap No. 1 for No. 2.
What should it cost to move up at the top of the draft? In 2017, the Philadelphia 76ers needed to send only a single future first-rounder to Boston to jump from No. 3 to No. 1. But that's not an especially useful model here, because then-Celtics GM Danny Ainge didn't view Markelle Fultz, the consensus top prospect in 2017, as favorably as everyone views Flagg this year.
So let's recreate an older draft trade to build the Spurs' offer.

In 1993, the Warriors sent three future firsts to the Orlando Magic to facilitate a swap of No. 3 pick Penny Hardaway (Memphis) for No. 1 pick Chris Webber (Michigan). That sounds about right here, with Flagg filling in for Webber -- who, like Flagg, was a mega-prospect coming off a standout college career -- and Dylan Harper filling in for Hardaway as a big, dynamic guard.
To bridge the gap between the prospects, San Antonio would send three draft assets to help Dallas replenish its rather barren draft hoard. The Mavericks would add a late lottery pick in the 2025 draft, a potentially attractive unprotected Hawks pick in 2027 and a return of their own 2030 swap rights, which they'd initially sent to San Antonio in the three-team sign-and-trade deal that brought Grant Williams to Dallas.

This trade would make a ton of sense for San Antonio, which could establish its frontcourt of the future -- and, perhaps, the frontcourt that would dominate the NBA for the foreseeable future -- while not losing any of its own future draft selections. And as long as the Mavericks like Harper (or Ace Bailey, or VJ Edgecombe, or any other options at No. 2) anywhere close to as much as they like Flagg, this swap would also make a ton of sense for them. -- Kram

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks

Slow on the trigger there, eh?

Would absolutely do this and call it in to the league before Nico changes his mind.

(I honestly hope we don't keep the #14 pick regardless)

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Would absolutely do this and call it in to the league before Nico changes his mind.

(I honestly hope we don't keep the #14 pick regardless)

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So many great prospects for us there. I'm pretty excited about that unless we can completely fleece a team on something like 14 and Keldon for Trey Murphy or something ridiculous like that.

flashplayer said:

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45425353/potential-trades-top-2025-nba-draft-pick-cooper-flagg-dallas-mavericks

Ummmm, yes please.

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Dallas Mavericks get: 2025 No. 2 pick, 2025 No. 14 pick, 2027 Atlanta Hawks' first-rounder, return of swap rights to Mavericks' 2030 first-rounder


San Antonio Spurs get: 2025 No. 1 pick

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Nico would have to change his name and move to Siberia. Not happening.